Not sure why would you consider Caesar's Legion to be evil

[Latelistener]

Not sure why would you consider Caesar's Legion to be evil.

The only reason they may be seen that way is probably because the faction didn't get enough content. You hear the horror stories from NCR soldiers practically the whole game and by the time most players got to the Legion territory they already have an established opinion.

But if you pay attention the game also shows the good sides of Legion and corruption of the NCR leadership. Most gamers just had to have a villain in the story, when there isn't any.

 

[Cryomancer]

Mr House > NCR > Legion.

HE is the unique guy who will NEVER impose gun control and failed democracy into the wasteland

 

[Nano]

Not sure why would you consider Caesar's Legion to be evil.

Were the female slaves not enough of a clue for you?

 

[RNGsus]

Those women would be dead without the Legion. Its a win-win.

 

[Danikas]

Were the female slaves not enough of a clue for you?

Caesar was right about women.

 

[RNGsus]

Were the female slaves not enough of a clue for you?

Caesar was right about women.

It just means slavery in the Legion is better than larping like a noble savage. At least you are surrounded by an army.

 

[Latelistener]

Not sure why would you consider Caesar's Legion to be evil.

Were the female slaves not enough of a clue for you?

The tighter grip on its population has some benefits if you paid attention. I'm not saying that slavery is good, but Legion is not worse than NCR or Mr. House. The latter allowed their citizens to live as they see fit, which resulted in depravity, such as cannibalism, drug dealings and prostitution. NCR leadership will simply lead humanity to another nuclear war.

So, there is only one good ending where the city stays independent.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

The latter allowed their citizens to live as they see fit, which resulted in depravity, such as cannibalism, drug dealings and prostitution

Yes, prostitution is so much worse than capturing women and forcing them to be sex slaves.

 

[Nano]

I'm not saying that slavery is good, but

So, there is only one good ending where the city stays independent.

At least we agree that Yes Man is the best ending.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

The latter allowed their citizens to live as they see fit, which resulted in depravity, such as cannibalism, drug dealings and prostitution

Yes, prostitution is so much worse than capturing women and forcing them to be sex slaves.

I need to pass a Sarcasm check before Brofisting this. Twice.

Geez Codex.

 

[Latelistener]

Yes, prostitution is so much worse than capturing women and forcing them to be sex slaves.

Considering who was running Omertas and what they allowed Clanden to do with their prostitutes, you'll have to pass a sarcasm check more than twice here.

 

[Latelistener]

Ah yes the faction where a little girl who is a child slave in their main camp asks you to get her teddy bear back after a Legion soldier confiscated it and gave it to his dog to use as a chew toy.

Definitely the most outrageous thing that happened in Mojave. And of course nothing like this could happen in the NCR territories.

Yeah they’re definitely not the “evil” faction, very morally ambiguous, especially with the fucking red skies and crucified people crying out in agony as you walk to Caesar’s tent.

I assume it would be too much to ask a question why they're on the crosses in the first place.

 

[Danikas]

crucified people crying out in agony as you walk to Caesar’s tent.

But territories under Legion Isis control are in peace and you CAN TRADE THERE .

 

[InD_ImaginE]

There is finding Legion edgy cool like edgy tard the Codex is.

And then there is arguing that Legion is not evil at all.

The only thing reining Legion from becoming basically raider level of tribal menace is Caesar. Barely. His eventual death will turn Legion into nothing better than organized raiders.

 

[Zombra]

If only there were already 50 threads about which New Vegas faction was coolest.

 

[DalekFlay]

The tighter grip on its population has some benefits if you paid attention. I'm not saying that slavery is good, but Legion is not worse than NCR or Mr. House. The latter allowed their citizens to live as they see fit, which resulted in depravity, such as cannibalism, drug dealings and prostitution. NCR leadership will simply lead humanity to another nuclear war.

You're like a billboard advertisement for a book called "Fascism and You!" The back cover implores you to "learn how authoritarian regimes with complete control over your life lead to a more organized and homogeneous society!" The cover is Caesar smiling with a tear running down his cheek as Vegas burns to ash.

 

[Latelistener]

If only there were already 50 threads about which New Vegas faction was coolest.

Not much to discuss about Outer Worlds anyway. The game will never receive the level of New Vegas's post-release love.

You're like a billboard advertisement for a book called "Fascism and You!" The back cover implores you to "learn how authoritarian regimes with complete control over your life lead to a more organized and homogeneous society!" The cover is Caesar smiling with a tear running down his cheek as Vegas burns to ash.

Calling another person fascist over a disagreement regarding villains in a fictional story.

 

[Cryomancer]

Mr House is the less evil.

NCR will lead to a corrupt modern social democracy

Legion will lead to a totalitarian "the strong rules"

Mr House will be on his city; he doesn't wanna to expand his influence. Nor force people to live there.

In general, Mr Hourse is just a King of a small kingdom, while NCR is a modern plutocracy and Legion is like Mongol Invasors. Mr House is not perfect, but anything is better than NCR/Legion. Seriously, there are one country where the monarchy fell and become better? Look to Brazil empire compared to modern Brazil, China monarchy with Maoist China, Russia Czarist with communist Russia. Or even France. Napoleon was far more totalitarian than any french king and the democracy also encouraged that some colonies in the new world like Haiti rebels(which turned the richest country in the "new world" into the poorest)

If Mr House had ambitions to expand his empire and force people to pay taxes to him, then we can discuss between him or ncr, which one is the worst.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

Mr House > NCR > Legion.

NCR all the way!

Also, Mr. House dying is cool as fuck.

Mr.House: "You misguided whore!"

Shoot him up like a ragdoll.

Mr. House is dead, a tragedy has befallen all mankind.

 

[Cryomancer]

NCR all the way!

A politician supporting a forced corrupt democracy. Nothing new...

 

[RNGsus]

Nano's only problem with the Legion is their treatment of women. If they offered boys, he'd be balls deep in that kuchak pussy.

 

[Child of Malkav]

I mean if it weren't for Mr. House there wouldn't be a Vegas to speak of. On top of that the Mojave would be a lot more bombed than it is when the game takes place. Mr. House's genius not only predicted the war as well as it's date approximately but also constructed a missile defense system that shot down some incoming nukes preventing the area from being completely destroyed.
On top of that he sealed himself in a sterilized pod that kept him alive for 200 years, while connected to a network of Securitrons, united the 3 families of the Strip, keeping the NCR at bay, taking their money by using the casinos (though he was rich before), has plans and is more than capable of realising them and with the help of the Courier and the relations that he or she built with the other groups in the desert and their help and resources things are looking great. Clean water from the Lake, plenty of farms for food, some factories still standing, Helios One for power or for an orbital strike etc.
Finish LR by nuking both the NCR and Legion and creating a natural barrier of radiation around the Mojave as well as having an army of upgraded Securitrons (read badass robots), security of the region is achieved. Also the tech from the Big MT. with the vending machines in the Sierra Madre and the hologram technology and yeah, at this point it's just silly. Survive 100 years or so and then off to the stars leaving the Bull and the Bear to fight each other or fuck each other or whatever else savage things that they do.
Independent is just dumb. Pure anarchy. No wonder it's considered the failsafe ending, in case you mess up so bad that you can't finish the game any more or worse, that you ally yourself with another faction.
Anyway these discussions about which faction is better, 10 years after the game came out is just another testament of how good this masterpiece is.

TL;DR: I choose Mr. House.

 

[Roguey]

Nano's only problem with the Legion is their treatment of women. If they offered boys, he'd be balls deep in that kuchak pussy.

According to NCR guy at the border, the NCR is homophobic whereas the Legion isn't.

 

[Butter]

You can rest easy knowing the Mojave BoS barely matter, and even the Elder knows they're going to die off by their own machinations.

 

[jackofshadows]

We could argue about distant future but according to the end slides, they're done for only in case of destroying the bunker. Besides, there's a difference between "dying off" in a long term and instant death (at best) by explotion.