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PC vs. Consoles

Captain Shrek

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Any rational person understands that there is nothing fundamentally wrong about playing games on consoles. But what the same rational person understands, is that a console is nothing but a retarded PC with a controller, while keeping in mind that PC can have controller. There is nothing that Console can do what a PC can't do and PC can do better almost always.


Seriously. What the fuck gives?

Why are there PC vs Console debates?

Historically gaming developed with Consoles! Great! Also, in related news, Adam and Eve wore leaves.
 

Turisas

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Captain Shrek said:
Any rational person understands that there is nothing fundamentally wrong about playing games on consoles.

Well no... if they are console exclusives. Any game that is both on consoles and PC is better played on PC, so why settle for the inferior platform.
 
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Keep in mind that gaming on console is much cheaper than gaming on PC if you live in firstworldia.
 

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A console 300-500 bucks
HDTV to plug it into - AT LEAST 1000 bucks
Game price: 60 and up, no free additional content


Overkill specs PC with a monitor - ~1200 bucks
Average game price: TPB and up, shitton of a free content
 

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Excidium said:
Keep in mind that gaming on console is much cheaper than gaming on PC if you live in firstworldia.
Hue. Here in Brazil console games tend to be 3x more expansive than the PC ones.
 

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MetalCraze said:
Firstworldia

A console 300-500 bucks
HDTV to plug it into - AT LEAST 1000 bucks
Game price: 60 and up, no free additional content

lol, wtf?!? That are some really exaggerated prices you put up there, and you don't really need to do that that in fact playing on PC is cheaper than on console.
 

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The main reason I dislike consoles is controllers, I just cannot play with them cause I grew up with a PC so I've been using mouse and keyboard since I was three years old while I'm a total noob with a controller. That, and using mouse + keyboard is just so much more comfortable.

That said, there are good console games, and even good multiplatform games. The main problem of today is shitty mainstream games that live from advertising and review bribery and "being cool", not from actual gameplay, story or quality content.
 

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MetalCraze said:
A console 300-500 bucks
HDTV to plug it into - AT LEAST 1000 bucks

You are aware that no-one can take you seriously when you blatantly lie like this, right?
 

Captain Shrek

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JarlFrank said:
and even good multiplatform games.

The dragonborn wishes to shout, my Jarl. Multiplatform has no meaning other than what platform the developer decided to release it for.

EDIT: Good games are Good games no matter what platform they are released on. Just that they can be better on PC.
 

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It's because people don't like the implication that their decisions or opinions aren't the bestest around, duh... especially when they bond with the brands and because of computer illiteracy(especially hardware in general), for lack of a better term

people also seem to think computer are teh hard and a good computer is obscenely expensive, they don't know you can use a joystick... there probably are more misconceptions(not that there aren't any about consoles) and then there's the fact that for a reason that is probably not relevant there just may be more console gamers than pc gamers
Turisas said:
Captain Shrek said:
Any rational person understands that there is nothing fundamentally wrong about playing games on consoles.

Well no... if they are console exclusives. Any game that is both on consoles and PC is better played on PC, so why settle for the inferior platform.
Well no... if they port is shitty and no one is willing to patch it.

MetalCraze said:
Firstworldia

A console 300-500 bucks
HDTV to plug it into - AT LEAST 1000 bucks
Game price: 60 and up, no free additional content
What if you tried to be fairer and included the possibility of people already having HDTVs long before thinking about gaming, not wanting to buy a HDTV or forfeiting online gaming in favor of piracy?
 

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Gaming is dead. Das popamole has taken over the world. There is no hope any more.

1994 - Doom
1998 - System Shock 2

Who can seriously imagine that sort of jump in the age of new shit? These days we praise developers if they dumb down the sequel less than we feared they might.
 

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What if you tried to be fairer and included the possibility of people already having HDTVs long before thinking about gaming, not wanting to buy a HDTV or forfeiting online gaming in favor of piracy?

What if I tried to be fairer and included the fact that 4 years old PC which is dirt cheap can handle your popamole games at better graphics than consoles just as well as an overkill PC and that good monitor was already there or the dude is just happy with his shitty burned out 17" CRT?
 

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Consoles are just heavily gimped PC's these days, always starting a step behind and never moving forward. PC's can be upgraded piecemeal with new hardware if wise decisions are made at purchase, and can last longer and provide alternative uses (lol spreadsheet argument) consoles can be used for games, watching movies, can they browse yet? XBOX requires a monthly license to use online functionality IIRC.

I can see some benefit of being able to turn on the console, sit in a couch and just veg to some mindless popamole vs a PC setup, but its a very slim margin in favour of the console. At a PC you can multitask, browse internet, emails, porn and have a game window open. Get up and leave a PC on mid-game is great, modern consoles would threaten a China syndrome due to heat buildup.

Besides, if the PC vs Console debates didnt exits and we were just Gamers, who would greedy motherfucking publishers blame for shitty sales of their shit rehashes?
 

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As of 2007 you can't normally browse with a xbox, and IIRC you need to jailbreak the consoles to use a proper OS to run a browser
MetalCraze said:
What if you tried to be fairer and included the possibility of people already having HDTVs long before thinking about gaming, not wanting to buy a HDTV or forfeiting online gaming in favor of piracy?

What if I tried to be fairer and included the fact that 4 years old PC which is dirt cheap can handle your popamole games at better graphics than consoles just as well as an overkill PC and that good monitor was already there or the dude is just happy with his shitty burned out 17" CRT?
Fair enough.






















...NOT. That was a strawman, only high end "4 years old pcs" can max(high resolution, full filters etc) certain games and 4 years old pc hardware is hardly a optimal choice anymore
what the fuck do you mean "the dude is just happy with his shitty burned out 17'' CRT?"
 

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M4BE1R0 said:
As of 2007 you can't normally browse with a xbox, and IIRC you need to jailbreak the consoles to use a proper OS to run a browser
MetalCraze said:
What if you tried to be fairer and included the possibility of people already having HDTVs long before thinking about gaming, not wanting to buy a HDTV or forfeiting online gaming in favor of piracy?

What if I tried to be fairer and included the fact that 4 years old PC which is dirt cheap can handle your popamole games at better graphics than consoles just as well as an overkill PC and that good monitor was already there or the dude is just happy with his shitty burned out 17" CRT?
Fair enough.



...NOT. That was a strawman, only high end "4 years old pcs" can max(high resolution, full filters etc) certain games and 4 years old pc hardware is hardly a optimal choice anymore
what the fuck do you mean "the dude is just happy with his shitty burned out 17'' CRT?"

He had said better gfx then console, not maxed.
 

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Kraszu said:
M4BE1R0 said:
As of 2007 you can't normally browse with a xbox, and IIRC you need to jailbreak the consoles to use a proper OS to run a browser
MetalCraze said:
What if you tried to be fairer and included the possibility of people already having HDTVs long before thinking about gaming, not wanting to buy a HDTV or forfeiting online gaming in favor of piracy?

What if I tried to be fairer and included the fact that 4 years old PC which is dirt cheap can handle your popamole games at better graphics than consoles just as well as an overkill PC and that good monitor was already there or the dude is just happy with his shitty burned out 17" CRT?
Fair enough.



...NOT. That was a strawman, only high end "4 years old pcs" can max(high resolution, full filters etc) certain games and 4 years old pc hardware is hardly a optimal choice anymore
what the fuck do you mean "the dude is just happy with his shitty burned out 17'' CRT?"

He had said better gfx then console, not maxed.
But to achieve that you have to run it in a higher resolution and/or with filters and with better FPS rate, amirite?
 

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Captain Shrek said:
But what the same rational person understands, is that a console is nothing but a retarded PC with a controller, while keeping in mind that PC can have controller. There is nothing that Console can do what a PC can't do and PC can do better almost always.

Well, that's true, but for this reason consoles cause three problems:

1) Console exclusives.
2) Shitty console to PC ports.
3) Shitty console limitations affecting multiplatform titles.

@JF:
I grew up playing with joystick and pad on c64. Pad works really well for simplistic 2D games like platformers and beat'em'ups. Ever since I switched to PC with mouse and 'board and started playing more complex games requiring more precision and using more complex control schemes, I never looked back.
 

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I haven't had to upgrade my rig in ages thanks to the console-first release trend. 4 years sounds about right. That said, I also own a ps3 and the games I have for that can pretty much be counted on one hand.

In my opinion, some games make more sense on consoles than the PC. It's true that there is very little difference in hardware between them, especially these days, and the idea that one can somehow squeeze more performance out of consoles simply because they are specifically geared towards gaming and are mass-produced according to one unifying design is now obsolete: the modern console is especially vulnerable to bugs and performance issues. But this is beside the point.

I would suggest that consoles are more appropriate platforms for games, particularly action oriented games, that feature local multiplayer. Such as fighting games, platformers, re-envisioned digitalized board games and the like. Games that offer up competitive (or cooperative) gameplay that does not require hours of active involvement, the way a strategy game on the pc might, but rather engage players for as long as they themselves are willing to be engaged. It's an "entertainment station", something you switch on during parties or if you have a few minutes to kill before you head out on the town with your friends.

To do the same with the PC is far from impossible, but inherently more cumbersome, especially if one expects the engaging gameplay-experiences of 10 or more years ago to resurface. Different hardware setups and preferences do require the presence of a serious configuration tool to be present with games, and we all complain when it isn't there in a PC game. Not so on consoles, where having more than one screen of options popping up can get annoying when all you want is to kick someone's ass in Tekken. Byte-sized gameplay also doesn't make sense on the PC, which is a multi-tool that always engages your attention beyond just some one game that you might feel like playing for 15 minutes, and so check-points and save-points really feel out of place and can't compare to a proper save-at-will system; but they make sense on a console where you might drop off for an hour doing something else and then pick it back up where you left off.

The multiplayer on PC's has generally been over a distance, either in a LAN or over the Internet, and this makes sense; the control-schemes for pc games normally don't transfer well to gamepads, being able to see what your opponent is up to takes away some of the fun from rts/fps type games, a desktop computer usually ended up sitting on a desk which isn't the most comfortable way to fit several people in next to each other etc. Consoles were great for that though but, at least in my experience, they have been less than wonderful in multiplayer over a distance; from Red Alert on psx with serial cables and 2 tv's, to the various matchmaking services on the current generation consoles, Internet multiplayer has been unreliable and cumbersome. I myself fondly remember playing 2p Liero with my friends, using the same keyboard for both control-schemes and on occasion triggering key-conflicts with space/arrow-k combinations and, in terms of comfort, it couldn't compare to kicking each-other's asses in Tekken 3 or Xtreme games for the psx; and these are the sort of games we would play for 15-20 minutes tops before going out, where booting up a WC2 skirmish was hardly any more of an option than an engaging crpg would be.

Maybe people are forgetting that there used to be a distinction between consoles and pc, simply because the games have become so similar, utilizing the same mechanics and dropping for every available platform. Actually, that may well be a perquisite to even have this discussion. For my own part, apart from a few select gems, I'm not interested in neither "PC" nor "console" games as they are presented today and couldn't care less what platform they utilize, especially if the devs aren't willing to play on the different strengths of these platforms.
 

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St. Toxic said:
In my opinion, some games make more sense on consoles than the PC.

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Captain Shrek said:
St. Toxic said:
In my opinion, some games make more sense on consoles than the PC.

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I guess you could read my post to find out.

EDIT: And another thing. If I ever get kids, it's not like I'm going to buy them a monster pc to play their tasteless popamole games on, more likely I'll just buy them a console on the cheap. Naturally I would encourage an interest in pc games with some artistic merit, but I doubt good taste is in the genes.
 

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And they all amount to "local MP" which, while true, are quickly vanishing on today's consoles (Nintendo's less so, but nearly gone on MS and Sony) with the exception of fighting games.
 

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Captain Shrek said:
Any rational person understands that there is nothing fundamentally wrong about playing games on consoles.

go fuck yourself
 

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deuxhero said:
And they all amount to "local MP" which, while true, are quickly vanishing on today's consoles (Nintendo's less so, but nearly gone on MS and Sony) with the exception of fighting games.

There's probably more than that to it. Racing games and other types of arcade games, which are even more streamlined and designed for quick entertainment, also fall short of pc expectations -- but in the right circumstances they're fucking fun. They're certainly more fun, at least in my opinion, on a console than they are on a pc. It's not just about the controller or the type of screen you use, or if you're using your pc from a couch or a standing position (you retard) -- there's just something about merely being able to rage-quit out of "Virtua cop" by pressing alt-f4 that kills the experience. Maybe what we're trying to do is compare a roller-coaster ride to having a car of your own?

That said, the distinction is gone or at the very least on its way out and past the threshold. If PC games and console games are to merge completely, and it sure seems likely, then yeah -- who cares what kind of bags the trash comes in?
 

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