Pillars of Eternity Beta Discussion [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Bester]

what about these Japanese guys:

What a bunch of posers, lol. I guess I'll have to explain myself a little.

Japs only used bog iron in the production of their weapons. Bog iron is impure iron deposits found in swamps. They didn't have any other iron on their islands, so their weapons (despite what urban legends say) were pure shit. As a result, the samurai codex even allowed 5 minute pauses in samurai fights, because their katanas got bent so much after hitting something, that they had to manually unbend them in order to go on and not look like total douches.

This is also the reason for the super complex Japanese sword forging technology. In order to get a good sword from shit metal, one had to work for years on a single blade. Such swords were all unique and couldn't be afforded by just anyone. Because only aristocrats could afford them, those swords were almost never used in actual fights.

So what do we have?
- Can't make really protective armor, cause almost no iron, and existing iron is shit.
- Can't make decent weapons, cause existing iron is shit.

So I don't even want to discuss those guys, they're not an example of anything other than being geographically unlucky.

(Of course when they started smuggling European iron in, they started making marvels with their exceptional forging technology.)

And unarmored sword fight makes no sense.

Yet somehow it's was almost the sole method of dueling for many centuries of at least European history. Swords are not knives, while double hits can happen they were not that common.

Whoever said stupid rapier duels made any sense? One guy said something and then the other one got so butthurt over it, that they'd have to go outside and try to kill each other. Does that sound like something reasonable to you?

Efficiency-wise, it was stupid, cause it was fifty-fifty, basically. Those duels lasted for 5 seconds. They weren't exactly a shining example of weapons/armor technology or fighting techniques.

 

[Duraframe300]

A Paradox forum post mentions that PoE has been delayed to early 2015 according to a post on the Obsidian forums.

Don't know if its the truth as NOBODY else mentions it. If it is, congratulations Paradox for screwing up PR.

 

[Duraframe300]

Yes it seems to be looking at the Paradox post.

 

[Sensuki]

If true

 

[Merlkir]

The Japanese used plenty of iron in their battle armour (depending on the era). Also, Europeans fought without armour just as much. If not in a battle, putting on armour is not something you'd normally do, so in a civilian context you'd be fighting unarmoured. Using longswords, sword and buckler, knives, hammers and axes, whatever. Wasn't just duelling. And even if we speak of duelling, it wasn't just an example of rich guys being idiots, poor people duelled too, in judicial fights, when a compromise couldn't be reached. (men, women, even dogs btw)

You say duels weren't examples of technique? I wonder why so many men spent precious time and money on fencing schools and fencing manuals.

 

[Volrath]

A Paradox forum post mentions that PoE has been delayed to early 2015 according to a post on the Obsidian forums.

Don't know if its the truth as NOBODY else mentions it. If it is, congratulations Paradox for screwing up PR.

Thank fuck for that if it's true.

 

[Johannes]

what about these Japanese guys:

What a bunch of posers, lol. I guess I'll have to explain myself a little.

Japs only used bog iron in the production of their weapons. Bog iron is impure iron deposits found in swamps. They didn't have any other iron on their islands, so their weapons (despite what urban legends say) were pure shit. As a result, the samurai codex even allowed 5 minute pauses in samurai fights, because their katanas got bent so much after hitting something, that they had to manually unbend them in order to go on and not look like total douches.

This is also the reason for the super complex Japanese sword forging technology. In order to get a good sword from shit metal, one had to work for years on a single blade. Such swords were all unique and couldn't be afforded by just anyone. Because only aristocrats could afford them, those swords were almost never used in actual fights.

So what do we have?
- Can't make really protective armor, cause almost no iron, and existing iron is shit.
- Can't make decent weapons, cause existing iron is shit.

So I don't even want to discuss those guys, they're not an example of anything other than being geographically unlucky.

(Of course when they started smuggling European iron in, they started making marvels with their exceptional forging technology.)

And unarmored sword fight makes no sense.

Yet somehow it's was almost the sole method of dueling for many centuries of at least European history. Swords are not knives, while double hits can happen they were not that common.

Whoever said stupid rapier duels made any sense? One guy said something and then the other one got so butthurt over it, that they'd have to go outside and try to kill each other. Does that sound like something reasonable to you?

Efficiency-wise, it was stupid, cause it was fifty-fifty, basically. Those duels lasted for 5 seconds. They weren't exactly a shining example of weapons/armor technology or fighting techniques.

You don't even know what you don't know.

 

[Duraframe300]

If true

Looks like.

Dumb PR though. This should have been sent at the same time by multiple sources.

 

[Infinitron]

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...ty-Delayed&s=60597bdeb170c1264927103be32abaef

Pillars of Eternity Delayed - Obsidian and Paradox Push Release to 2015

Obsidian Entertainment and Paradox Interactive announced today that the highly anticipated
fantasy role-playing game Pillars of Eternity, originally scheduled for release in late 2014, has
been delayed until early 2015.

Feedback through the beta process from those who backed Pillars of Eternity on Kickstarter
has been extremely helpful. The development team are listening to the feedback and are
incorporating changes to ensure fans absolutely get the best game possible. This short delay
will allow Obsidian to produce the quality of game that they can be rightly proud of.

"Since the very beginning of this project we promised our fans and ourselves that we would
release this game only when we knew it would be absolutely ready for the best experience
possible. We're very close to that point, but not quite there yet. The feedback we have received
through our playtest process has been invaluable to us. We are coming into the home stretch
but are pushing the release out just a bit to make sure we honor that promise we made originally.
Thanks for your patience and support, it will be worth the wait." – Feargus Urquhart, CEO Obsidian.

Both Obsidian and Paradox are aware of the anticipation the thousands of people who donated to
the Pillars of Eternity Kickstarter campaign have, many of whom have been clamoring for a game
in the style of classic role-playing games for years. And, rest assured, no one is more anxious for
the completion and release of this game than we are. However, we are excited to get the extra
time to incorporate the feedback and add additional polish.

Your enthusiasm and support has been energizing for everyone and we're just as excited as you are
for this game to come out and kick this new renaissance of classic style CRPG's into high gear!

 

[Bester]

Also, Europeans fought without armour just as much

Yeah, because 90% of all medieval european armies were made up of feudal levies. Those who weren't piss-poor farmers always fought well equipped.

so in a civilian context

>killing
>in a civilian context

 

[Sensuki]

in other news:

 

[Merlkir]

Also, Europeans fought without armour just as much

Yeah, because 90% of all medieval european armies were made up of feudal levies. Those who weren't piss-poor farmers always fought well equipped.

so in a civilian context

>killing
>in a civilian context

You do realize that people didn't fight to the death only in field battles, right? From various disputes, to robberies, pub brawls to rival fencing schools duking it out in the town square, Europeans fought a LOT, in a civilian context.
Yes, those who could afford armour fought in armour, IN BATTLES. It takes quite a while to put it on and while some duels were fought armoured, on many occasions you wouldn't have the time to prepare.

 

[Johannes]

Most times the dueling rules dictated that you weren't allowed armor.

 

[Zorba the Hutt]

So the announcement we all expected is out.

Time to update my sig

 

[Zed]

I guess they realized the game wasn't fun to play.

 

[Grunker]

Calling out Roguey

 

[Sensuki]

Haha Roguey.

 

[ZagorTeNej]

Great news.

 

[Semper]

angst because da:i or time to polish?

 

[Sensuki]

Well they kinda have to release in March now, because TW3 will smash their sales if they do Jan/Feb

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

I guess they realized the game wasn't fun to play.

And the delay won't change much of that, either.

 

[Zed]

I guess they realized the game wasn't fun to play.

And the delay won't change much of that, either.

Gives us more time to cry about it.

I don't know about you but whining is the best thing I know.

 

[J_C]

I guess they realized the game wasn't fun to play.

And the delay won't change much of that, either.

Of course it will. The fundamental system is allright, but they have to fix all those issues Sensuki and other tester are talking about. I'm glad that they delayed the game, and relieved, because they will have time to polish the game.

 

[J_C]

Haha Roguey.

I have to unignore her just to see her face burn. Although I think she won't dare to show up here.

 

[Lhynn]

The fundamentals of the system are shit. Its probably salvageable tho.