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You would really think reading some people here that Fallout 3 raped their mothers and then took their jobs. People blaming and making huge arguments about motivations, plot consistency, really need to get lives and learn that you can get depth from other places than fucking mainstream entertainment products about blasting monsters with machine guns while sitting on your couch.

Fallout 3 's story was retarded. No doubt about that. Still, some people managed to have a good time with it. Those same people might be 18th century litterature specialist for all you know. That would make them able to know depth and culturally relevant material from mindless fun and therefore smarter than the average Codexer.
 

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Yes, being able to have fun with turds makes you smart.
This is youtube comment section level of stupidity you are exhibiting. Also nice of you to announce the world you are a fan of fallout 3.
 

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Lhynn said:
Also nice of you to announce the world you are a fan of fallout 3.

Says the one who likes NV. Same shit with different sprinkles on it - hipocrisy at its best.
 

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Lhynn said:
Also nice of you to announce the world you are a fan of fallout 3.

Says the one who likes NV. Same shit with different sprinkles on it - hipocrisy at its best.
Shut up you stupid cuck, if fallout 1 was made in gamebryo beat by beat you would still shit on it, because thats the kind of retarded cunt you are.
 

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I like the combat as it is in Fallout. I don't like the combat in FO3, FNV, Oblivion and Skyrim, so I guess a FO1 mod wouldn't be good either.

I can live with the pixelated 90's graphics. The art style was cool. The FMV's were great, as were the animated characters. The characters from gamebryo look like creepy mannequins.

Yep, gamebryo FO1 would not be a step up.
 

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I like the combat as it is in Fallout. I don't like the combat in FO3, FNV, Oblivion and Skyrim, so I guess a FO1 mod wouldn't be good either.

So far its a matter of preference. But yes, i do like turn based better, its just that combat in fallout wasnt even the 10th best thing about it.

I can live with the pixelated 90's graphics. The art style was cool. The FMV's were great, as were the animated characters. The characters from gamebryo look like creepy mannequins.
Again a matter of preference, fallout 3 and NV did age badly, but its far from relevant when discussing the good points of fallout.

Yep, gamebryo FO1 would not be a step up.
True, but it wouldnt ruin the game either. The beauty of fallout 1 wasnt in all the crap youve mentioned.
 

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Go guise... Go replay FNV. Install a few mods and do a playthrough. Be happy!

You know you want to! :)
 

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Go guise... Go replay FNV. Install a few mods and do a playthrough. Be happy!

You know you want to! :)
Already did all the content twice, nothing left to explore or do in a way i would want to do. Its a good game.
 

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How can it be good if it's not even in isometric view? You moran. FFS

Why are you even on the codex and not IGN? Whenever you post anything beside your GD oneliners that are funny and entertaining they are cringeworthy. Just like that butthurtpost above, they would fit more on IGN where you have all the other decline enablers.
 

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His oneliner clearly illustrates your retardation. I dont know if you are too stupid to tell.
 
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I'm here because the freedom to post without being shackled by retarded rules allows interesting discussion to bloom without moderators locking it for being out of topic or hurtful or whatever. Unfortunately that same freedom also attracts edgelords who think their religious devotion to a particular game is supposed to impress me. Besides, I'm not seeing the point of putting in much effort in replying to tryhard posts "same shit with different sprinkles". Come up with something that doesn't reek like brofistbait and I'll try to keep up. And I already told you to change the "you must be a dudebro" angle, a quick look at my post stats will demonstrate that I don't care if some faget on the internet thinks I'm not hardcore enough for his tastes, calling me a casual is like firing Vic's pipe rifle at power armor
 

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You guyz neutral gender's fighting is tearing me apart! Especially since the fight is over F3.

Also I know I have seen Surf Solar defending Fallout: NV in the past..... He has some valid complaints, like it's good but outside of the BoS and some random name dropping it really has no reason to be called a Fallout game. And I know he believes Fallout 3 to be markedly worse than NV.

Or is this just one of those timeless hatred things, for wrong doings in the past?
 

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I like the combat as it is in Fallout. I don't like the combat in FO3, FNV, Oblivion and Skyrim, so I guess a FO1 mod wouldn't be good either.

So far its a matter of preference. But yes, i do like turn based better, its just that combat in fallout wasnt even the 10th best thing about it.

Yes, the classics didn't feature quality turn-based combat; but at least they were trying to mimic some of the possibilities and interactions of a p&p experience (though this goal was greatly deflected by the GURPS license problem). Fallout New Vegas didn't even try to offer proper cRPG combat mechanics, and since the combat engine turned the gameplay into an FPS there is simply no way that it could be improved in order to achieve what the original games were trying to achieve; which is one of the reasons I consider the game to be unworthy of being called "a true successor to the series"

I can live with the pixelated 90's graphics. The art style was cool. The FMV's were great, as were the animated characters. The characters from gamebryo look like creepy mannequins.
Again a matter of preference, fallout 3 and NV did age badly, but its far from relevant when discussing the good points of fallout.

So do you think that the atmosphere was not one of Fallout's greatest qualities? If so, then there's no point on discussing how tasteless, shitty and retarded is the part of the atmosphere determined by the art/sound/animations/UI design in Fallout New Vegas.

But just compare it to J. D. Anderson, L. Boyarski, M. Morgan and T. R. Isaac's glorious work. All the charm they introduced to the first Fallout is lost in the latter games, and it got substituted by ugly 3D graphics, rough and tasteless animations, modern shitty graphic effects, an incredibly shitty-looking and soulless UI, clunky and non-elegant controls and forgettable Inon Turd's music mixed with some ol' Fallout's recycled tracks. (And let's not forget the loss of uniqueness and quality that was caused by making all the NPCs voiced; remember that in Fallout almost all the "talking heads" featured memorable voice acting and some superb voice actors like Tony Jay or Jim Cummings).

This loss of charm is unacceptable, and in my opinion it's one of the main reasons I think it's obvious to say that trying to reproduce a proper Fallout experience using Gamebryo and following the nuFallout philosophy is a total waste of time.

Yep, gamebryo FO1 would not be a step up.
True, but it wouldnt ruin the game either. The beauty of fallout 1 wasnt in all the crap youve mentioned.

Well, there are elements that can't be "ruined" with a conversion into another engine (like writing, area design, story, the concepts of skill-based exploration and branching quests and other Fallout 1 & 2's stregths that are present in NV), but remaking Fallout 1 using one of the worst engines in existence would result in a clunkier experience overall, and such a worthless task could as well be called a "fuck up"
 
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You guyz neutral gender's fighting is tearing me apart! Especially since the fight is over F3.

Nah, on this very page I posted a longwinded rant about the game, and since I actually played the fucking thing instead of just reading DriacKin's LP I know more about the game's problems than many users here. I'm just a bit tired of the notion that I'm not cool enough to hang out with the TRUE FANS because I don't value Fallout's shoddy NotGURPS mechanics or the fucking camera over its more interesting qualities that actually set it apart from other rpgs such as the writing, the atmosphere, the setting and other storyfaggy things which are high praise coming from me because I view all storyfags as biowhores in varying stages of decadence. Fortunately my skin has been thickened enough by my years here that those attempts end up feeling like this:



You're an enabler! You're the harbinger of decline! Here's your popamole, you...CASUAAAAAAAAAAAAL!
 
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- Perks being less effective. This may sound strange, but I feel that perks in New Vegas were *way* too powerful, to the point they could be game changing. Jury rigging, Rad Child, and Hand Loading are three mid-level perks off the top of my head that were game breaking. In Fallout 3 there are very few perks that make a significant difference, which is how it should be. Perks should give a minor benefit, not completely change the nature of gameplay.
The perks aren't less effective, they're simply retarded and completely useless. The skill perks have no right or reason to exist, same with barter or DR perks, which the game made to be dead end sinks that get negated by in game items, fucking awful design.
Otherwise, that isn't even true, NV's perks take forever to get, and are way more specialized, Fallout 3 has a perk that gives you 6 and then 9 in every special, but still letting you take intense training. What about the perk to get full ap every kill in VATS? no Fallout game has anything as game breaking and anti-RPG as that shit. The perks are nothing like Fallout 1 and 2, the handful of perks you chose made a big difference on your character, the 900 perks you get in Fallout 3 are either useless of completely linear and lead to you being 10 in everything.

- Explosive weapons are far more effective. In New Vegas, centurions could shrugs off four rockets to the face. In Fallout 3 vanilla, grenades and rockets actually had stopping power.
Nah, that's just based off your belly feels, Explosives in New Vegas are almost universally more powerful. And because New Vegas is an RPG it also requires you to put skill points into it to use it effectively, the disparity then is even more massive.
Factually incorrect point based off of yer imagination and trying too hard to be contrary.

- Fallout 3 vanilla feels like less of a betrayal to the original Fallout setting than New Vegas. It felt like a post-apocalyptic wasteland with settlements made out of scrap iron, instead of Wild-West settlements being raided by people LARPING Roman soldiers.
Sounds like "Muh Atmosphere" bullshit.
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Any generic post-apocalyptic setting has what you referenced, Fallout isn't defined by being a generic post apocalyptic setting, it's defined by it's factions and story. Which Fallout 3 decided to reinvent instead of progress, so you're basically left with nothing but iconography.

- The entire beginning of the game (growing up, and the flight from Vault 101) is more engaging than the beginning of New Vegas.
We don't all enjoy Larping as babies and small children. Press A to cry! As a non man-child I thought it was pointless, forced emotional engagement for the sake of crappy story, and is terribly annoying for replay value, NV lets you get into the game quicker without having to play out your paraphilic infantilism. (It's not the last time you play as a child in the game either, or find a group of immortal children that can survive despite being located next to supermutants, really reflective of the type of mind that enjoys and comes up with this shit.)

- There were a couple of other sequences I enjoyed, particularly the escape from Raven Rock and the assault on the Water purifier.
Slowly walking alongside Michael bay's transformers as it scriptedly kills all the bad guys and leads you to the thing, yes, very fun and cinematic, and linear, like a film. EXPLOSIONS! At least in NV's ending you had some effect on what's happening, games aren't meant to be films, when they are, they're shit, case in point: Fallout 3.
 

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You would really think reading some people here that Fallout 3 raped their mothers and then took their jobs. People blaming and making huge arguments about motivations, plot consistency, really need to get lives and learn that you can get depth from other places than fucking mainstream entertainment products about blasting monsters with machine guns while sitting on your couch.

Fallout 3 's story was retarded. No doubt about that. Still, some people managed to have a good time with it. Those same people might be 18th century litterature specialist for all you know. That would make them able to know depth and culturally relevant material from mindless fun and therefore smarter than the average Codexer.

Yep. I don't understand the virulent hatred for Fallout 3. It's not as if haters are forced to play the game, and it doesn't affect the quality of the prequels. The moaning and bitching about the (very) shit story is LOL, since most RPGs stories amount to ''Go kill the big bad". Oh well, haters gonna hate!
 

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Yep. I don't understand the virulent hatred for Fallout 3.

Once upon a time, there were Fallout 1 and 2. People rejoiced and sang songs about them.

Then, the team that made these games went kaput and no more Fallouts were in the horizon. Dark, depressing times ensued and hope was all but lost.

One day, some company bought the rights to make Fallout. A Fallout 3 indeed came out. A vile mutated beast, with nothing Fallout about it but the name and some ripped off artwork.


Now, after all those years, a real Fallout 3 never saw the light of day and the classic Fallouts' memory has been forever stained by these aberrations...

War changes... But for the worst...
 
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Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
I think the main issue is simply the usage of the name Fallout. If this game was called The Wastelander or anything like that, noone would give a flying f*ck about it.
But when you get a franchise and switch it completely into something that is generally liked but definitely far from the previous games, well it's annoying.
It's like if I got the Godfather franchise and made a Godfather 4 action movie with The Rock as the main mafia super killer. A lot of people would watch that and like it, but it would certainly make some other people really angry..
 

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Then, the team that made these games went kaput and no more Fallouts were in the horizon.
yeah, conveniently forget about fallout: brotherhood of steel, which reached a level of shittiness no bethesda game could ever hope to achieve. even oblivion, because at least oblivion did not have slipknot in its soundtrack.
 

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