Thoughts on Bethesda

[CorpseZeb]

Sure, and the way this lore and gameworld get systematically butchered starting with oblivious should arouse even the most hardcore snuff fetishists.

Speaking of fetishists, DraQ, your metaphoric skills are amazingly fetishistisaly epic.

 

[DraQ]

Whatever happened to Melissan? Did she ever have a breakdown?

Outed as an alt, though we don't know whose.

Sure, and the way this lore and gameworld get systematically butchered starting with oblivious should arouse even the most hardcore snuff fetishists.

Speaking of fetishists, DraQ, your metaphoric skills are amazingly fetishistisaly epic.

Thanks.

 

[Mastermind]

part of the charm of bethesda games is the VAST LORE and game world

Sure, and the way this lore and gameworld get systematically butchered starting with oblivious should arouse even the most hardcore snuff fetishists.

This is why I have no respect for you. TES "lore" has been butchered with every new iteration. Arena's lore is practically unrecognisable, and it's not because of Oblivion, it's because Daggerfall and Morrowind bent it over and assfucked it to death. All this, of course, is irrelevant. It's only a sin when Oblivion does it (even though Oblivion arguably rapes the lore a lot less than the other games). Hypocritical, incoherent fucks like you are the reason why nobody takes the codex seriously.

 

[Mastermind]

Sure, and the way this lore and gameworld get systematically butchered starting with oblivious should arouse even the most hardcore snuff fetishists.

Speaking of fetishists, DraQ, your metaphoric skills are amazingly fetishistisaly epic.

Want some coconut oil to make that cock go down a little easier?

 

[CorpseZeb]

Want some coconut oil to make that cock go down a little easier?

If is amazingly fetishistisaly epicly goodly, why not - bring on, sir!

 

[DraQ]

part of the charm of bethesda games is the VAST LORE and game world

Sure, and the way this lore and gameworld get systematically butchered starting with oblivious should arouse even the most hardcore snuff fetishists.

This is why I have no respect for you. TES "lore" has been butchered with every new iteration. Arena's lore is practically unrecognisable

What Arena lore? The trace amounts of "lol D&D" copypasta?

and it's not because of Oblivion, it's because Daggerfall and Morrowind bent it over and assfucked it to death.

They assfucked generic D&D copypasta?
How unbelievably fucking tragic.

All this, of course, is irrelevant. It's only a sin when Oblivion does it (even though Oblivion arguably rapes the lore a lot less than the other games). Hypocritical, incoherent fucks like you are the reason why nobody takes the codex seriously.

Not all sex is rape and not all change is bad. Still with me, or have I already lost your retarded ass at this stage?

Arena was generic and shitty D&D knockoff in terms of lore - virtually any change would have been an improvement so nothing of value was lost when most of its "lore" went down the crapper. Rough sketch of provinces and races remained and that pretty much summarized Arena's contributions apart from "Emperor got imprisoned in a pocked dimension by Jagarn Tharn, but got better".

Daggerfall set the first stones for TES lore - daedra, aedra, politics, characters, High Rock, Hammerfell, Orcs, so on. It's pretty much the first TES that counts.

Battlespire fleshed out daedra and their realms.

Redguard started the turn towards weirder side of fantasy (but without really disrupting DF lore), fleshed out the entire Tamriel (including jungled Cyrodiil) and laid down foundations for Morrowind.

Morrowind fleshed out the Dunmer, metaphysics and admittedly did some loopy shwoopy things with DF's endings. Overall a huge net gain. Some location names established in Arena make a come-back if you're observant and know the language, so bonus points, although those arent terribly relevant.
Oh, it did acknowledge continuity with Daggerfall's portrayal of religious worship and set up expectations for its return in oblivious.

Oblivious? Copied a lot of books even if it didn't make sense (Temple censorship in Cyrodiil) or contradicted the game itself, butchered genealogy, turned province into bowdlerized medieval theme-park, turned religions into some retarded copy of catholicism and generally took a huge dump on the lore. Admittedly did copy Battlespire rank names.

Rimjob? Do-vah-kin! Do-vah-kin!11


You see (actually, you don't because you can't, but I digress), there is a world* of difference between throwing a handful of generic (%name, %position, of %influence) tuples out of the window and replacing them with coherent and fleshed out system of history, politics, culture and religion; and throwing such coherent system out of the window and replacing it with "lolcastles :D omgdemoninvashun!!1 D:".

Change is good** when it's improvement, bad*** if it's deterioration. You just need to be terminally retarded to fail to realize that.
QED****.



*)

**) "good" = (added for Mastermind's benefit)

***) "bad" = (likewise)

****)

 

[Sceptic]

DraQ, I love you

 

[Mastermind]

herp derp durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

My God, the stupid never ceases. Nice piece of shit wall of text, but none of it actually addresses my complaint: "this lore and gameworld get systematically butchered starting with oblivious", which implies Oblivion changed the lore virtually beyond recognition. The reality is that very little was actually changed. Especially compared to Arena. Nevertheless, let's see what we have here:

Daggerfall set the first stones for TES lore - daedra, aedra, politics, characters, High Rock, Hammerfell, Orcs, so on. It's pretty much the first TES that counts.

No, it mostly toppled over arena stones and set new ones. Mostly pretty boring ones, as Daggershit was the most generic piece of shit TES ever produced overall. The Daedra/Aedra were the only good, unique thing that came out of it.

Arena set up the world, the relationship of the provinces to the empire, the septim lineage, the geography and racial make-up of tamriel (which got raped by daggershit). You claim Arena was generic. What's more generic, the Roman ripoffs in Morrowind or an imperial city full of dark skinned humans? It's the major reason why I don't give a fuck about turning cyrodiil into a generic europe-like province, its inhabitants were retconned already.

Oh, it did acknowledge continuity with Daggerfall's portrayal of religious worship and set up expectations for its return in oblivious.

Daggerfuck: Stained glass window temples full of generic NPCs.
Morrowind: No actual temples since the imperial cult was a minority religion. Inhabitants actually look like clergy. No mention of Ebonarm. Tiber Septim is suddenly a divine.
Oblivion: Same as morrowind, except the divines get actual temples due to being a majority religion.

Copied a lot of books even if it didn't make sense (Temple censorship in Cyrodiil)

Which book? Also, some books tend to travel. There isn't a mystical force keeping a bunch of pieces of paper bound to one place.

or contradicted the game itself,

Name some of these contradictions.

butchered genealogy,

Which genealogy? Be specific.

turned province into bowdlerized medieval theme-park,

And so unlike the exotic setting and locations of Daggerfail.

turned religions into some retarded copy of catholicism

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Lives_of_the_Saints
http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/lots/index.htm

Daggerfool: Temples had generic stained glass window structures and were filled with generic NPCs that say nothing about their profession as clerics.
Morrowind: Didn't even have real temples that were nevertheless filled with generic NPCs that looked like catholic monks*.
Oblivion: Temples had generic stained glass window structures and were filled with generic NPCs that looked like catholic monks*.

and generally took a huge dump on the lore.

"Generally" tends to describe your shitty, ignorant criticism pretty well.

and replacing them with coherent and fleshed out system of history, politics, culture and religion; and throwing such coherent system out of the window and replacing it with "lolcastles :D omgdemoninvashun!!1 D:".

Indeed there is. And you have yet to document any unexplained oblivion changes that are of such magnitude that they overshadow the general unexplained changes between games in the series, even if Arena is left out. All in all, another overly verbose DraQ post that contains lots of text but says absolutely nothing of value. Actually here, I'll help you out since the only concrete criticism you could produce are divine terraforming lol and herp temple book derp: Mannimarco got raped from a godlike immortal to a shitty generic high elf. The pure development laziness when it comes to asset variety hearkens back to the days of Daggerfall.

*look like catholic monks = wore robes.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

 

[Crooked Bee]

Imma bee, and Mastermind is my favorite poster on the Codex.

 

[Fowyr]

Arena lore? Several pages in the manual and artifacts descriptions?

 

[CorpseZeb]

Daggerfool: Temples had generic stained glass window structures and were filled with generic NPCs that say nothing about their profession as clerics.
Morrowind: Didn't even have real temples that were nevertheless filled with generic NPCs that looked like catholic monks*.
Oblivion: Temples had generic stained glass window structures and were filled with generic NPCs that looked like catholic monks*.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/24 ... on004.jpg/

Mastermind – do you know, what you see here, and why, what you see here, is seriously retarded in respect of Morrowind “lore”?

Also, we can argue about Daggi-Morri-Oblivi thingy – but seriously why insert here Arena – bug ridden unplayable dungeon thing? C'mon.

 

[Lonely Vazdru]

Daggershit

Daggerfuck

Daggerfool

You may or may not be correct about TES lore, I'm not nerdy enough to know or care, but you're seriously overdoing the Daggerfall hatred part.

 

[Gord]

TES lore is like Bethesdas personal sm-leather-outfit-clad sex-slave they keep in a cage in their secret torture cellar to anal-rape him whenever they feel like it.

Now, what are you going to do about it?

 

[DraQ]

My God, the stupid never ceases.

The irony.

Especially compared to Arena.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Yeah, both games feature trace amount of lore which is utterly generic, BSB and perfectly replaceable with generic DnD lore or fanfic written by an inane 12y.o.

Daggerfall set the first stones for TES lore - daedra, aedra, politics, characters, High Rock, Hammerfell, Orcs, so on. It's pretty much the first TES that counts.

No, it mostly toppled over arena stones and set new ones. Mostly pretty boring ones, as Daggershit was the most generic piece of shit TES ever produced overall. The Daedra/Aedra were the only good, unique thing that came out of it.

What arena stones? You mean the handful of random (%name, %position of %domain) tuples with barely anything added on top of them? I can produce those by the dozens - missing your "Selene, High Priestess of Shagrath" or "Shagrath, God of Spiders"? Hey, let me try - "Andhaira, Djinn of Inanity", "Mastermind, Supreme Moron of Intense Derp".

Arena set up the world, the relationship of the provinces to the empire, the septim lineage, the geography and racial make-up of tamriel (which got raped by daggershit). You claim Arena was generic. What's more generic, the Roman ripoffs in Morrowind or an imperial city full of dark skinned humans?

So Uriel was kind of inverse Obama?


Anyway, Arena wasn't even generic in this regard - being generic implies some kind of content that can be described as generic - a number of brownfaced sprites hardly counts as content (notice the parallels between this and you not even being stupid ).

The least generic take on the Cyrodiil, however was PGE, 1st edition.

It's the major reason why I don't give a fuck about turning cyrodiil into a generic europe-like province, its inhabitants were retconned already.

Butthurt detected.

Daggerfuck: Stained glass window temples full of generic NPCs.

Often naked, dancing NPCs.

Morrowind: No actual temples since the imperial cult was a minority religion. Inhabitants actually look like clergy.

Missionaries trying to not dance naked among hostile, less permissive culture? SHOCKING.
They still mention over a dozen of cults of Dibella in Cyrodiil, some focusing entirely on erotic instruction.

No mention of Ebonarm.

You mean local, western demigod of war?

Tiber Septim is suddenly a divine.

You mean emperor ascended to local Cyrodiilic demigod and given boost to full godhood for propaganda reasons?

Oblivion: Same as morrowind, except the divines get actual temples due to being a majority religion.

Except instead of naked dancers and temples of Dibella focused on erotic instruction (since it's majority religion, doesn't risk offending sensibilities and since it was established in Daggerfall and mentioned in Morrowind), we get faux-gothic cathedrals (except less impressive) and a handful of sad, modest fucks.

Copied a lot of books even if it didn't make sense (Temple censorship in Cyrodiil)

Which book? Also, some books tend to travel. There isn't a mystical force keeping a bunch of pieces of paper bound to one place.

So the only version of The Real Barenziach available in Cyrodiil, the major trade hub and the heart of the empire is the one censored by a local cult of some backward ash-niggers. Makes perfect sense.

or contradicted the game itself,

Name some of these contradictions.

Cyrodiil is the cradle of Human Imperial high culture on Tamriel. It is the largest region of the continent, and most is endless jungle.

DERP.

For thirty-eight years, the Emperor Tiber reigned supreme. It was a lawful, pious, and glorious age, when justice was known to one and all, from serf to sovereign. On Tiber's death, it rained for an entire fortnight as if the land of Tamriel itself was weeping.

Pelagius had no living children, so the Crown Imperial passed to his first cousin, the daughter of Tiber's brother Agnorith. Kintyra, former Queen of Silvenar, assumed the throne as Kintyra I.

Uriel Septim is a direct descendent of Tiber Septim, who conquered all of Cyrodiil and proclaimed himself Emperor in 2E846.

U MAD?

butchered genealogy,

Which genealogy? Be specific.

Septims' genealogy, above?

turned province into bowdlerized medieval theme-park,

And so unlike the exotic setting and locations of Daggerfail.

Except Daggerfall sure as fuck wasn't bowdlerized and it started this way, without ever changing, but, hey - whatever strawman works for you.

turned religions into some retarded copy of catholicism

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Lives_of_the_Saints
http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/lots/index.htm

Yeah, you're , alright.

How about 36 Lessons of Vivec, you obtuse fuck?

How about the way everything in oblivious is crammed between two extremes - good and evil, corruption and purity, black and white?

and generally took a huge dump on the lore.

"Generally" tends to describe your shitty, ignorant criticism pretty well.

DLC with working shrine of fucking Sithis? Metallic glass? Contradictions mentioned before? Lack of moral ambiguity? The entire MQ based on uninterrupted Septim bloodline (before MK noticed how severe bethesda's fuckup was and went "MK to the rescue!!!1" again)?

and replacing them with coherent and fleshed out system of history, politics, culture and religion; and throwing such coherent system out of the window and replacing it with "lolcastles :D omgdemoninvashun!!1 D:".

Indeed there is. And you have yet to document any unexplained oblivion changes that are of such magnitude that they overshadow the general unexplained changes between games in the series, even if Arena is left out. All in all, another overly verbose DraQ post that contains lots of text but says absolutely nothing of value. Actually here, I'll help you out since the only concrete criticism you could produce are divine terraforming lol and herp temple book derp: Mannimarco got raped from a godlike immortal to a shitty generic high elf. The pure development laziness when it comes to asset variety hearkens back to the days of Daggerfall.

How about Colovian and Nibaen cultures? How about anything at least resembling PGE 1? How about moral ambiguity? How about the stuff I already mentioned?

Of course, even if oblivion included texture with "We don't give a fuck about TES" plastered across every available surface, you'd still say that "NO, U", but that's ok - I'm acutely aware that your underdeveloped brain is broken beyond repair and that I'm wasting my time writing this post.

 

[sgc_meltdown]

the sequel to this thread will be called Thoughts on Bioware and there will be reasonable discourse as well

 

[Captain Shrek]

the sequel to this thread will be called Thoughts on Bioware and there will be reasonable discourse as well

Ah volourn. No reasonable discourses. Just 'Bullshitz whyd o yu liey oy fool?'

EDIT: "R00fles!"

 

[Jasede]

stop the bullshit start the truth

 

[Captain Shrek]

stop the bullshit start the truth

Oblivion is shit. The end.

 

[DraQ]

stop the bullshit start the truth

<truth>
Oblivion is shit.
</truth>

Subtly inclined.

 

[Captain Shrek]

Subtly inclined.

Honestly DraQ, your efforts to prove MasterMind wrong are in reputation. And I am not even saying that you should not feed the troll.

 

[sgc_meltdown]

how about we try to convince Mastermind that planescape torment is a sweet game instead that will allow us to bond as brothers and sisters

 

[CorpseZeb]

Oblivion is shit. The end.

… is modable shit still's shit...?

Anyway, beating dead horse isn’t point, point is why Betshedas build wooden horse (instead fucking flying Pegasus capable to blowjob rpg fans) loaded their asses inside and waiting to be dragged into Mod City.

 

[CappenVarra]

Oblivion is shit. The end.

… is modable shit still's shit...?

Is horse shit that allows sculpting if you don't mind getting your hands dirty still horse shit? The chemistry doesn't change, just the vague shape.

Anyway, beating dead horse isn’t point, point is why Betshedas build wooden horse (instead fucking flying Pegasus capable to blowjob rpg fans) loaded their asses inside and waiting to be dragged into Mod City.

Because them Troyans are stupid enough to drag god damn wooden horses inside their city walls? Because the lazy Danaians can get away with it, even without any gifts actually being involved? Because horsing magazines all over the world will look at that wooden excuse for a horse, and call it the avatar of horsiness and the best expression of the idea of a horse ever, and every 12yo girl that wants a pony will be brainwashed into wanting a wooden BethPony instead? (with apologies to Andyman Messiah)

There is no point and no real question involved. Just misanthropy.

 

[CorpseZeb]

… is modable shit still's shit...?

Is horse shit that allows sculpting if you don't mind getting your hands dirty still horse shit? The chemistry doesn't change, just the vague shape.

… had say something about Stein poems... but I get lost in the roses...