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Incline The Death of Freemium? Microtransactions Under Global Scrutiny

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by Lahey, Nov 24, 2017.

  1. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    Don't care about such things,but it is fun to watch all those shit corporations burn!
     
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  2. Valky Cipher Manlet

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    People who can't save themselves aren't worth saving.
     
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  3. adrix89 Savant

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    We will see about that when the next Age of Decadence sequel will come with Choice and Consequence DLC. Don't believe me? Look are the 4X and Grand Strategy genre being Paradox little bitches.
     
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  4. wyes gull Learned

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    There are no others here. There's you and me. I'm telling you my opinion on the matter. I'm claiming you have no logic or argument, and you're proving my point by comparing gambling to "drugs" (and never specifying what kind) and child pornography (fucking lol). You complain certificates are useless but offer no alternatives and don't even dare consider what those alternatives would entail. You ignore other specific examples that I've posted of corporations going after kids because you know it's a subject beyond your means or wit but continue assuming you have a point when you refuse to tackle the actual issue. Egregiously, you claim that the internet is NOW a minefield, as if it were better when you could find actual child porn on P2P shit like limewire 10+ years ago (serious, hownu.ru??). You ask retarded "trap" questions that I answer (fully in the knowledge that you were going to ignore most of it and use part of said answer to take a pass at me) and refuse to answer my own.

    You're a coward hiding behind children.
     
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  5. Lahey Laheyist Patron

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    Gambling is legally defined in most countries. PEGI didn't parrot the ESRB and instead deferred to lawmakers, which in turn is why these recently announced investigations are centred in Europe.

    A simple search of "hearthstone gambling" will show anyone that particular discussion has existed since long before this loot box variation. The UK's Gambling Commission touched on this in their March 2017 position paper (pdf) which I linked in the OP. The black market where real cash is involced is their focus, much like with the Washington Gambling Commission's problem with Valve, also linked in OP.

    Of course they'll find loopholes but to suggest that existing laws shouldn't be applied because loopholes exist is perhaps the most retarded part of this article. Temporary insanity is a loophole for murder. Corporate personhood is a loophole for political donations. Religious freedom is a tax loophole for the scam-cult of scientology etc. etc.

    Another useless equivocation instead of talking about the issue at hand. Also: https://food52.com/blog/16431-where-did-all-the-cereal-box-prizes-go

    Indeed. Different countries do have different laws. These investigations are about applying legal definitions as written, not some blogger's headcanon.

    The bolded touches on an important issue, which is that the ESRB/PEGI are industry-funded and thus inherently hold a conflict of interest. Much like an HR department whose mandate is to protect employees but in practice their priority is the health of the company and shielding it from criticism, but I digress.

    http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...arth-shadow-of-war.113893/page-6#post-5240240

    tl;dr this article is poorly researched, spends more time talking around the issue than addressing it, and is overall one of the dumbest takes on the subject I've had the displeasure of reading.

    Agreed. I am cynical about any real impact when so much money is involved, and it ultimately doesn't affect me on a personal level. Nonetheless, large industries have bent the knee over health concerns in the past despite their fleets of highly paid lawyers/lobbyists, and political upsets are so hot right now. It's fun to watch if nothing else, eh fellow llama?
     
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  6. I want to be Life Coach Grorious Reeeeeder Patron

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    Grab the Codex by the pussy
    Let it burn.
     
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  7. Galdred Studio Draconis Patron Developer

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    Of course the regulation itself won't halt P2W and loot boxes, but the reputation hits against the major players involved alone, and a possible obligation to notify something on the box should have a significant impact by themselves. I doubt Disney is amused by this for instance.
     
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  8. Archibald Arcane

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    They are not amused at all. Gazillion, company that made couple of F2P cashcows for Disney is already dead:

    https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news...lion_shuts_down_lays_off_entire_workforce.php

    Won't be surprised if EA will have to say bye bye to Star Wars if this continues to escalate.
     
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  9. Lahey Laheyist Patron

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    President of French online gambling regulator ARJEL responds to Senator Jérôme Durain. Google translation: http://www.arjel.fr/IMG/pdf/20171120courrier.pdf
     
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  10. c2007 Savant

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    Your self-service fails you Mondblut.

    Yes, fuck the children, and fuck the morons. Nevertheless, your solution is a fucking pipe dream.

    The morons make children faster than they can be bled dry. Prestigious nutbags like yourself and frankly myself don't reproduce because for me I could never afford a decent life for the little fuckers until the last few years, and now I can't be bothered. That leaves us in a deficit situation.

    You will never live to see your golden era. Therefore, your selfishness is solipsism, and I hear it's lonely there.
     
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  11. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    "no we aren't selling loot boxes, we're selling 1 hour of premium droprate play!"

    Honestly this is a situation where you can't expect the government to regulate properly. The US Congress can't get together every week to discuss the intricacies of (insert newest AAA cash grab). The ESRB was designed so that the industry could self regulate to avoid the possibility of the government coming through with a sledgehammer fucking everything up.

    Most likely outcome I see is the ESRB panicking from governments looking into things and deciding something broad but not industry-upsetting (like making all in-game purchases require a 13+ rating) while the industry itself temporarily backs off to where it was in 2015 or w/e before continuing the onslaught against people who want whole finished games in 2019.
     
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  12. Cael Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    Considering I gave a Third Option in this very thread, you are a liar as well as delusional. Goodbye. I am done with talking to deceitful dickheads.
     
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  13. mondblut Arcane

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    What solution? I am not offering any. I just gloat at the ruin and suffering of those who deserved it.

    Good. My cock isn't going to suck itself. Competition among pisspoor teens desperate to buy the newest iphag drives their (not the iphag's) price down.

    Why should I reproduce? I cling to no illusions that the byproduct of my ejaculations is somehow an extension of myself. The only thing to worry about is having my property pass to the fucking state or to some million-times-removed relative I never knew, but I can always arrange something like a marriage of convenience - a deed to my real estate in exchange for a lifetime of daily blowjobs or whatever.

    The golden era is long gone/never was, and solipsism is my second name.

    Updated my journal.
     
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  14. Valky Cipher Manlet

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  15. Lahey Laheyist Patron

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    A strange update from the UK Gambling Commission: http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.u.../news/2017/Loot-boxes-within-video-games.aspx
    Those last two paragraphs seem to echo Chris Lee's statements by acknowledging the psychology behind this issue and considering it a health concern, which they admit is outside their purview. It will be interesting to see whether this sentiment is shared by regulators in other countries after concluding their investigations, especially if they accept the offer, which seems like a no-brainer.
     
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  16. Cael Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    ... OK... That went above and beyond. Welcome to the Quiet Box.
     
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  17. Siobhan Arbiter

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    Adults are responsible for their own actions, children and teenagers shouldn't have access to means they cannot be expected to use responsibly. This includes credit cards, any kind of personal bank account that can be overdrawn, phones that aren't prepaid or on a flatrate plan, and so on. But based on how much my children complain about the draconian rules of the Siobhan household, I guess that these simple rules are too old-fashioned for modern parents.
     
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  18. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    Come on mate,do your duty and pop up a few nazi kids to fight against decline. Also if you have family,you will be a true patriarch :smug:. Don't give in to the globalists propaganda, pop your condoms with a needle before sex.
     
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  19. Cael Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    No need. Just use this:

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  20. wyes gull Learned

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    Deceitful? This coming from the same person who asks completely unrelated questions while refusing to answer ones made to him, makes retarded implications and inferences, has obnoxiously ignorant opinions on the internet and likes to compare compare gambling to child pornography? I'm deceitful? You "argue" like a shill. I'd say I hope you won't stick around long enough for me to find out whatever it is you're pushing but since you're apparently leaving, I don't think that's going to be a problem. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
     
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  21. Cael Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    For continuing to try to deceive people by claiming that I am leaving, you can go into the Quiet Box as well.
     
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  22. FeelTheRads Arcane Patron

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    lol fuck off

    Those who want to ban violent video games use the EXACT same excuses. Waah waaah i can't check everything, waah waah i have a job, waaah waaah muh children gonna turn into killers waaah waaah.
    You don't want to see it because you're OK with violent video games, but not with this. In other words, "it's ok to ban what i don't like".

    Guess what, you don't turn into a gambler the instant you have a gambling opportunity in front of you. And guess what, you shouldn't give your children access to your money.
    If your children spent money from your savings, you are retarded and you don't know how to raise children. Period.

    And it's not always about checking if everything is children safe. It's also about educating those children in what they should and should not do. If your kid stole your money to spend on a video game maybe you just didn't fucking educate him.
     
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  23. wyes gull Learned

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    That's right, kids. "If you can't see it, it doesn't exist" is the message, here. It's the same sort of "logic" one would use when he's the sort of tard who tells people "I'm done" and "Goodbye" and claims you lie when you, logically, reason that they're leaving. Oh, well.
     
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  24. Mark Richard Arcane

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    Slurp piss. :lol:

    Are you really going to elevate a publisher's monetisation strategy and claim it should enjoy the same protections as an artform?
     
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  25. warpig Incel Resistance Leader Manlet

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    B-but muh free market..lol fuck this freemium shit, they can ban it dont give a fuck. Not that I care about idiots losing their money in some on-line scam, I would like it if devs were FORCED to make games that are sold as a standalone product instead some platform for milking dumb normies :3
     
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