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Thief 2 fan missions and campaigns

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by SCO, Nov 17, 2010.

  1. Kutulu Magister Patron

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    I know, blasphemy but i never finished a thief game.. Bought the first one on release but after hours of trying i could never
    finish the fourth or fifth mission, mostly played fps (quakeworld) at the time and had no patience...

    So whats the best way to play them, just GOG versions and thats it? Or is there something wrong with them?
     
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  2. Unkillable Cat Prestigious Gentleman LEST WE FORGET Patron

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    GOG versions are fine, but you still may need the TFix patch for Thief 1, and the Tafferpatcher for Thief 2. There are also some optional texture mods.
     
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  3. Melan Prestigious Gentleman Arcane Patron

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    I got as high as
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    2695 on Expert, but no better.


    Buy the GOG version, patch it with TFix. Vanilla Thief 1 is a better overall experience than Thief Gold if you can get your hands on it.
     
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  4. Melan Prestigious Gentleman Arcane Patron

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    Klytus, I'm boooored.

    Suggest me a Thief 1/Gold mission that's not one of the obvious ones (e.g. Calendra, Lord Edmund, Trial by Night, Walking the Edge, anything by Skacky, etc.), but offers a good thieving experience. Sinister pagan/woodsie themes are a plus, but aren't a requirement.
     
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  5. skacky Prestigious Gentleman 3D Realms Developer

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    Not many woodsie FMs. The Order of the Vine, Augustine's Revenge, Geller's Pride, Invitation to Castle Morgoth, Lord Beilman's Estate, The Hand of Glory, Projekt Hammer, Returning a Favor... most of these aren't Pagan in theme but are less known perhaps.
    Man I wish vexd would finally finish and release Merrick's Cellar.
     
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    The Order of the Vine is definitely the first thing that popped into my mind.
     
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  7. Max_b5 Learned

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    IDK how it's gonna work with NewDark, but Thieves' Quarter is the only thing I could think of.
     
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    Best way for me to answer that is just to post the T1/Gold missions I keep around, which sadly are far too few:

     
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    YanRanTan's mission The Drymian Codex has a heavy pagan involvement in the story, as well as new pagan AIs, if you've never played it - but it is of course for T2.
     
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    Indeed, but I played it just a little while ago, so the memories are still fresh. Definitely on the "replay in two or three years" pile, though.
     
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    While browsing through TTLG I came across a very well written post related to level design:

    http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90551

    Not sure how relevant it is today, but it's worth noting for anyone designing levels for the Thief games, Dark Mod or even for commercial games in general.
     
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  12. Unkillable Cat Prestigious Gentleman LEST WE FORGET Patron

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    It's still relevant in the broad strokes, though some of the finer details he comments on may have lost their meanings in the 11 years since he made that post.

    But if I may point out what stood out in his post:

    # Good level design is an underlying foundation of a good FM. Thief is the last game that should have linear hallways or "conveniently" placed terrain/furniture.
    # Readables. If he thought they were bad back then, he'd flip his lid today. "Audiolog syndrome" is a pandemic in FM writing. While it gets the job done, it reeks too much of laziness.
    # Appropriate length. This is one that many FM-authors of today just flat-out ignore on purpose. Yes, NewDark raises the stakes in what can be done...but does that mean that FMs should go all that distance? This is the biggest complaint I have against FMs like "Being Thief 2" - an ambitious cityscape-mission that had to be split into 2 parts because NewDark couldn't contain the author's full vision...yet the division between the 2 missions ended up being 95%/5% - the second mission could have been ignored entirely and the end of the first one cleaned up a bit to make everything much smoother.
     
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    I remember that post; read it when I was getting into mission design in 2007, and kept nodding along. The 2003-2004 period was definitely a time like that in FM design. Lots of overwrought Victoriana, dime-a-dozen tragic family stories, frustrating design practices and lots of one-upmanship. In hindsight, it was also a period of FMs coming into their own as their own genre instead of the early phase of imitation and plain weirdness. But this also meant that many people just wanted their Thief to be the Victorian burglary simulator they never got in TDP, and only sorta got in TMA.

    This is one of the reasons I like to replay early fan missions, because they are fun and inspiring in unexpected ways. I recently played The Hand of Glory on your recommendations, and while it has some really flat and badly proportioned architecture, it succeeds as a double breakin mission. Good clues, tight sneaking, interesting places to explore, and a few touches that are really worth stealing - simple things like a "fortified" barred window that opens with a lever.

    (Lord Edmund was also an early model for my missions. I never believed in replicating things like Calendra's Cistern, but thought I could do something like Lord Edmund or The Circle of Strain 3, only with a few more extra locations. Bad Debts only expanded into its final XL-size due to getting scale consistently wrong in the editor. It was a mission that wanted to be anything but grandiose and huge, and utterly missed its target. How much plain incompetence shaped it may be a story worth telling, but it is probably better told in the form of an LP.)
     
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  14. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    That mission is amazing and feels like it could've been a vanilla Thief Gold mission from its atmosphere. Glorious.
     
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  15. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    So I just played through Errand Boy, the first mission of the Trickster's Gem Mine campaign, as it's one of the first missions I played thanks to Unkillable Cat's recommendation, and I rated it a solid 6/10 because it definitely shows potential and has great ideas, but the execution is kinda lacking. It stretched on for too long, usually I don't mind long missions - and with 2 hours, this is far from the longest I played - but this one grows tedious later on due to all the backtracking, and most of it looks like a typical early Thief FM, with rooms too large and empty. The concept is solid, but all the backtracking through city streets swarming with guards you're not allowed to knock out makes it a tedious affair, and there is some minor keyhunting involved, but that's mostly fine as the relevant keys are easy enough to find. There is some verticality, as you have to enter a few locked houses through the windows by using rope arrows, which is cool. Overall, a solid mission that could've been a lot more enjoyable if some things had been designed differently.

    The mission's concept, however, is pretty great and shows some of that early FM creativity people here have mentioned.
     
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    FUUUUUUUUU....

    Playing through darkstone gem 2. Everything is going fine. 2 hours in. Forget to create multiple saves. Falls from hammerite tower. press f9 to reload, but i'm playing in a darkroom, accidentally preesed F5. Game is saved before death!!!

    :x:x:x

    Does this game has a fly cheat???
     
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    Yes it does. Load Dromed > Go into game mode > Load your saved game > Press SHIFT+Q and save in a safe place. Exit Dromed, execute the game and load your saved game.
     
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  18. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

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    Holy shit, I don't know why I missed Darkstone Gem when the first episode came out - but now I'm starting from the beginning and have a whole bunch of cool missions to play! The first mission already looks gorgeous as fuck, I love the lighting and texturing, and that is probably the most atmospheric Mechanist church I've ever seen. Usually, Mechanists don't really fit that well into the Thiefy atmosphere, or basically have a different, "colder" atmosphere compared to the other factions, which are darker and more "earthy". But this Mechanist church? It almost seems Hammerite, and fits perfectly into the general Thief atmosphere. It's probably due to the lighting.
     
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    Well, finished playing Darkstone Gem series. One thing I loved about these missions is how a simple door or window is an entrance to a big new area, instead of just a small closed room. That hammer compound in the last mission was bigger than I expected. It was like a level inside of a level.

    Oh, and as it turned out, I had to restart because my savegame had a dead garrett...

    Now that I finished, today I played the most of Cryptic realms, and I'm missing one secret. The problem is, I now know where this secret is supposed to be, but in the black & white version I'm playing, there's a solid wall behind a breakable wall, making it impossible to fetch the last loot. I've seen only the color version of the walkthrough, and there's no wall in the secret room, only the breakable. Is that how it's supposed to be?

    EDIT: well, i downloaded a new version and it fixed...
     
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    So, I'm playing the unofficial expansion (T2X) and I'll finish it soon. What are some of the best FMs out there? Also, is there a website wich collects and archives these missions, like the old NWN Vault sites?

    And should I play Deadly Shadows?
     
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    To answer your first question, I suggest reading this very thread from the start.

    As for your second question, there's a recent thread over at TTLG that answers that better than I could, hopefully one of the TTLG regulars that post here can point you towards that.

    As for Deadly Shadows...yes, play it. It's not as good as Thief 1+2, but it's still a neat stealth game, and there's a unofficial patch out that helps make it closer to T1+T2 in various ways.
     
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    there's this:

    http://www.taffersparadise.net/
     
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    http://thiefmissions.com/ is the main fan mission archive, but it is down at the moment.

    TTLG maintains a mission listing by type that's fairly handy, with a special category linking to "best of" and "recommend me" threads. There is a 4chan FM guide that aligns well with my tastes (potential bias: it starts with one of my missions in the #1 slot +M):
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    In no particular order, my top suggestions to continue from T2X would be:
    • The Seven Sisters by Lady Rowena
    • Skacky's Thief Gold series - Shadow Politics, Within These Dark Walls, Endless Rain, The Chalice of Souls and Dirty Money
    • The Rocksbourg Series by DrK
    • Gems of Provenance by Stinkykitty (this four-mission pack is a bit rough around the edges, but very rewarding when you get into it)
    • Purah's mission series - Autumn in Lampfire Hills, Calendra's Cistern and Calendra's Legacy (features non-standard gameplay)
    • The CoSaS missions, all two of them.
    T2X is the most evenly polished "full campaign" for Thief, but the individual missions are arguably not among the best. Expect the recommended fan missions to be more uneven, for both better and worse.

    Deadly Shadows is worth playing, but don't expect it to be nearly as good as the first two games.
     
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    *checks 4chan FM guide*

    :)
     
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    Just coming here to post that it's no longer down. Builder be praised!
     
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