Game News Torment Kickstarter Update #4: Legacies and Cults

[Diablo169]

Yeah I ninja edited that since using the term engine didn't get across what I was really asking.

 

[BobtheTree]

Unity is a pretty versatile engine. Go to their site and look at all the different kind of games. I'm pretty sure PE is going to be 2D art backdrops and a fixed perspective like the Infinity Engine games, while W2 is in isometric 3D.

 

[hiver]

Any info on how soon we will be informed on the visual representation of the World and the world map Brother None?

A week, two, sooner?

 

[Tigranes]

I'm expecting it to be hand-painted given Torment is looking set to break 3 million. If not, I WILL HAVE YOUR HEADS

 

[hiver]

To be clearer, im not asking about 2d handpainted backgrounds, but how will the world be represented as a map, including traveling over it.
And i would just like to know how soon could we get that info.

 

[Dermi]

Brother None: out of curiosity, what would you say to a retard who claims that your initial goal was set to make "incomplete" game, because now you're asking for additional money, so you clearly set for bare minimum and already planned to sell "DLCs" (he means stretch goals), so to make a game whole? Why not ask for, let's say, 5 millions from the start and count on people to back you with this amount for a "full" game with nothing cut? I tried a bit reasoning with him (futile, I know, yet still...), but I wonder if you could give a bit of your own reasoning.

 

[mindx2]

Dermi - 3 posts since 2007? What have you been doi.... oh... Location: Poland.... : x

 

[Dermi]

mindx2 It helps jumping to last unread post, which is main reason I make account *anywhere*. I think there is only one forum I've been more active, what means making about 1050 posts in 10 years Not sure if being Potato has any factor in it.

 

[Rake]

I'm expecting it to be hand-painted given Torment is looking set to break 3 million. If not, I WILL HAVE YOUR HEADS

 

[Kirtai]

2D, 3D, I just want it to look awesome and play even better.

 

[Justin]

HAS to be 2D ... Dhall's bigass book would lose so much gravitas if the camera could swivel around it willy-nilly.

 

[Kirtai]

3D doesn't mean you have to be able to rotate the camera, it can be just as fixed as in a 2D game.

 

[DwarvenFood]

4 posts since 2007 vs. 2 posts since 2008, which is better and why ?

 

[Monty]

4 posts since 2007 vs. 2 posts since 2008, which is better and why ?

Just seen a '1 post since Jan 2007' on the Lord British thread. These kickstarters are definitely getting the lurkers excited.

 

[Brother None]

Any info on how soon we will be informed on the visual representation of the World and the world map Brother None?

A week, two, sooner?

Can't say, sorry.

Brother None: out of curiosity, what would you say to a retard who claims that your initial goal was set to make "incomplete" game, because now you're asking for additional money, so you clearly set for bare minimum and already planned to sell "DLCs" (he means stretch goals), so to make a game whole? Why not ask for, let's say, 5 millions from the start and count on people to back you with this amount for a "full" game with nothing cut? I tried a bit reasoning with him (futile, I know, yet still...), but I wonder if you could give a bit of your own reasoning.

Hmmm, it sounds like he just doesn't like the Kickstarter format, and it's hard to explain from that basis. The truth is we always ask for the minimum we need to make a good game, and it is a realistic minimum for the game we envision, but it would indeed be more limited in scope. It's not different than when pitching games to publishers, though, you have your minimum needs but you may ask for more, looking to make a better game. A budget is a gradual point, not an either/or question. Also, it's not really comparable to DLC since no one customer is paying extra for it. Instead, it's a win-win situation, the game improves for every individual backer without them having to put more in individually, and we get a higher budget to build a game with.

 

[Kirtai]

The truth is we always ask for the minimum we need to make a good game, and it is a realistic minimum for the game we envision, but it would indeed be more limited in scope.

More money = more details, more backstory, more side areas, more ways to solve any given problem and more routes through plot arcs (and longer, more complex plot arcs)?

 

[hiver]

Basically - yes. There is also a matter of getting a negative reaction if you ask for too much. Which, asking for 5 million would certainly be - considering that Wasteland 2 asked only for 9 hundred K.

You can also present a shorter, more direct argument to your friend by kicking the living shit out of him.

Can't say, sorry.

Strange. One would think that matter is already been decided upon. Hmm, those questions about mounts or transport .... hmm, hmm...
Well, no matter. I guess we will find out when we find out.

 

[janjetina]

It's like that with any piece of software. There is a development cost associated with necessary basic functionality, and there is additional functionality and bells and whistles that requires additional funds. Not to mention the 'tiny' fact that if they were asking for the mentioned 5 million on the Kickstarter there would be a high probability of not reaching the goal and no game being made.

 

[Dermi]

Hmmm, it sounds like he just doesn't like the Kickstarter format, and it's hard to explain from that basis.

Yeah, I suspect so. Actually, I think that he'd be more happy with you failing to deliver a game than with playing it (hence: retard).

The truth is we always ask for the minimum we need to make a good game, and it is a realistic minimum for the game we envision, but it would indeed be more limited in scope. It's not different than when pitching games to publishers, though, you have your minimum needs but you may ask for more, looking to make a better game. A budget is a gradual point, not an either/or question. Also, it's not really comparable to DLC since no one customer is paying extra for it. Instead, it's a win-win situation, the game improves for every individual backer without them having to put more in individually, and we get a higher budget to build a game with.

That's what I thought. And I wouldn't call stretch goals "DLCs" neither, because I see it as something you simply do or don't, depending on the money, and not cut it intentionally to sell it later.

Basically - yes. There is also a matter of getting a negative reaction if you ask for too much. Which, asking for 5 million would certainly be - considering that Wasteland 2 asked only for 9 hundred K.

Tried that, didn't help

You can also present a shorter, more direct argument to your friend by kicking the living shit out of him.

OTOH, I don't see wasting my time on tracking some particular retard. Sadly, on said forum you have to watch (more or less) how you address people...

More money = more details, more backstory, more side areas, more ways to solve any given problem and more routes through plot arcs (and longer, more complex plot arcs)?

And with his twisted logic it means the initial pitch was incomplete, since you can add all those things, you shpuld include all of them from the start (and need infinite funds, apparently, to spend eternity making game and adding things).

It's like that with any piece of software. There is a development cost associated with necessary basic functionality, and there is additional functionality and bells and whistles that requires additional funds. Not to mention the 'tiny' fact that if they were asking for the mentioned 5 million on the Kickstarter there would be a high probability of not reaching the goal and no game being made.

See, I thought that was obvious for any sane person interested in game development. Apparently it isn't. Well, retards gonna retard, I should've known better...

 

[Kirtai]

More money = more details, more backstory, more side areas, more ways to solve any given problem and more routes through plot arcs (and longer, more complex plot arcs)?

And with his twisted logic it means the initial pitch was incomplete, since you can add all those things, you shpuld include all of them from the start (and need infinite funds, apparently, to spend eternity making game and adding things).

Well, maybe an analogy would help. Consider it like hiring a carpenter to make a table. If you pay the minimum you get a plain table made from pine. Pay more and you get one made of birch. Pay a fuckton more and you get one made of carved, inlaid mahogany. But regardless of how much you pay, you still get a table, only the quality and workmanship varies.

 

[Infinitron]

There will always be people who react with irrational suspicion when you ask them to open their wallets.

The only cure for them will be for a great game to come out of this Kickstarting process. Only that will allow them to trust the system.

 

[hiver]

If you dig more into that psyche, you will probably find he prefers ass defect and thinks third was a masterpiece, or likes bethesda games and other shit action RPGs while calling them "true RPGs" because he can larp a hero, save the world with visceral epic awesome actionz! and "fuck" sexy... something... in it or some such shit.
Therefore, he feels bad, his ego is suffering in fear of not being actually so awesome as it would like to be.
That leads into inventing stupid shit about these Kickstarter games and nonsensical stupid thinking - refusal to even consider actual arguments.

Its called cognitive dissonance.
Usually incurable. Even if or when games come out and turn out to be great - he will be shitting over it all for years to come.
Or will switch opinion later due to shift in popularity.

Not to worry. There is no need for every moron to support these projects.
:looks at kickstarter page:

2.4 and raising like a tide of .



Also, i thought its some personal friend you know in real life, thus suggestion of kicking his ass.
Though i heard Ryan air has even cheaper tickets for "plane tickets bitch!" client option.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

Brother None how do you like being tagged constantly now?

 

[Dermi]

Well, maybe an analogy would help. Consider it like hiring a carpenter to make a table. If you pay the minimum you get a plain table made from pine. Pay more and you get one made of birch. Pay a fuckton more and you get one made of carved, inlaid mahogany. But regardless of how much you pay, you still get a table, only the quality and workmanship varies.

Nice one, I think I'll actually might try this one. Not that it should change his mind, but it might be fun regardless.

Also, i thought its some personal friend you know in real life, thus suggestion of kicking his ass.
Though i heard Ryan air has even cheaper tickets for "plane tickets bitch!" client option.

Nah, I've already sold a kidney and donate blood to inXile for this Kickstarter; and I'm too much of a cheapskate to waste money on some random internetz faggot.

 

[Infinitron]

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