Are we at post-modern gaming yet?

[luj1]

If 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s were the modern era of cinema, are we at post-modern gaming yet? How does that look like? I think we aren't yet, and I think it will look very fucked up and unlike modern gaming of today. Discuss.

 

[Cologno]

I voted "post". Just seems the industry is creatively bankrupt on most fronts and leaning hardet and harder into degeneracy to keep up interest. BG3 is a great game overall, but FFS does it ever speak to what I'm referring to.

 

[luj1]

Just seems the industry is creatively bankrupt on most fronts

Been like that since 2004 or 2005, frankly

 

[Athena]

>remakes of remakes

Yes

 

[Haba]

We are certainly at post-modem gaming by now.

 

[Gandalf]

We'are at post-gaming at best, I think.

 

[Butter]

Gone Home heralded the arrival of post-modern gaming. Literally no gameplay, just wearing the form of a video game like a skin suit in order to tell a Z-tier story that couldn't get made into a movie. Kentucky Route Zero could also qualify.

 

[Iucounu]

Wokeism seems influenced by post-modernism, so the same should apply to woke game developers and the games they make.

post-modern gaming

Does that include gamers too? What does a post-modern gamer look like, besides enjoying post-modern games?

 

[Azdul]

Games do not need movie budgets. There are hundreds of games released every day.

You can create game by yourself - and make your own creative choices - which is impossible in movie industry.

It's like saying that all books written in 2023 are crappy. You need to make conscious choice about the books / games you are going to try - because it is impossible to check even 1% of what's out there.

The only way you can be exposed only to consistently creatively bankrupt selection - is to buy a game console - but even then you must limit yourself to physical releases.

 

[Viata]

We are at the cannibalism era of any kind of media. It's extremely rare to find anything modern that is good among movies, books, games, etc. The people that do X only consume X, they do not have a very diversified taste like many decades ago. Your next best-seller fantasy author has only read fantasy books in his life, if he touches anything that is not a fantasy book, it must still be a fantasy genre be it movies, games or whatever, assuming obviously that he even has any hobby outside of only reading fantasy books. He also only reads the modern fantasy books, so his work is just the most generic shit being released since that is what sells anyway (well, he also has no skill to make something different given that his output is heavily dependent on his input and that is just the most generic fantasy books).
You can find a good work being made, but don't expect to find it among mainstream shit, neither expect some normie to mention it.

 

[NecroLord]

Modern gaming is a reflection of the diseased and rotten society and culture at large.
Remakes, AI, "modern audiences"...

 

[pakoito]

I play mostly AA and below that are hyper tuned to my tastes and I'm having a jolly good time. Golden age vibes here.

 

[Gandalf]

C

I play mostly AA and below that are hyper tuned to my tastes and I'm having a jolly good time. Golden age vibes here.

Can you names some of these titles? I'd like to do confront them with my post-gaming claim.

 

[lightbane]

>Censored, inferior remakes of remakes

Yes

Fixed.

Kentucky Route Zero could also qualify.

At least this one had an interesting art style and it played like a videogame based on Gabriel Garcia Marquez's works. Unfortunately, it played like a videogame based on Gabriel Garcia Marquez's works.

 

[trespasser]

If 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s were the modern era of cinema, are we at post-modern gaming yet? How does that look like? I think we aren't yet, and I think it will look very fucked up and unlike modern gaming of today. Discuss.

Omnipresent woke bullshit in AAA titles = postmodernity per definition

 

[Zlaja]

Imagine post-Codex Internet/gaming.

 

[pakoito]

C

I play mostly AA and below that are hyper tuned to my tastes and I'm having a jolly good time. Golden age vibes here.

Can you names some of these titles? I'd like to do confront them with my post-gaming claim.

Dominions 6
Talos 2
Powerwash Sim
American Arcadia
Hunter: Call of the Wild
Lunacid
Anodyne
Case of the Golden Idol
Hob
Scorn
Pilgrims
RiME
Chicory
Root
FURI
Steamworld Dig 2
Outer Wilds
Subnautica
Pirated boardgames in Tabletop Simulator
Gloomhaven (playing physical tho)

 

[luj1]

Gone Home heralded the arrival of post-modern gaming. Literally no gameplay, just wearing the form of a video game like a skin suit in order to tell a Z-tier story that couldn't get made into a movie. Kentucky Route Zero could also qualify.

Fair point

Disco and Pentiment too. Literally close to no gameplay

 

[luj1]

Golden age vibes here.

lol

 

[Zlaja]

Learn to multi-quote, luj1.

 

[Viata]

Can't get to 12k messages if you do multi-quote, mate.

 

[luj1]

Okay guys I think we have our answer,

Postmodernism is an intellectual stance or mode of discourse[1][2] characterized by skepticism towards elements of the Enlightenment worldview.

So when clinically insane devs such as Soyer claim that "Wizardry is not an RPG" or when someone considers Disco an RPG, that is clear evidence we are in post-modernist gaming.

That is eerily similar to redefining genders and shit. I spoke about this a lot before but couldn't put my finger on it.

post-modernism = deconstruction of norms (in this case videogame genres)

/thread

 

[Disciple]

Video games are still a relatively young medium and at the same time too fast-moving (since they are inextricably tied to technological advancements) compared to literature, cinema or music. I think that makes it hard to establish periods and eras like one does in classical music.

One undercurrent of much post-modernist literature, apart from fragmentariness and the questioning of narratives, seems to be an approach to make the most of what the written letter form can offer, which results in post-modernist works making for very tough screen adaptations. Not sure if modern video game developers care about any of that.

 

[Fedora Master]

Post-modern games are games that have no gameplay. Yes, those certainly exist.

 

[Tyranicon]

95% of video games are still just toys for children and people who are mentally children.

Ascribing movements to the medium is premature.