Decline The lack of sincerity in RPGs (and gaming in general)

[RaggleFraggle]

Tim Cain and Troika bros also made Vampire: Bloodlines, and while its combat and system are not a one hundred percent accurate adaptation of the Vampire: The Masquerade tabletop game, its story, characters and setting are so faithful to the source material.

Really? Then how come the tabletop books, and the latest batch of games written by diehard fans, why do those suck ass and completely fail to emulate the quirky irreverent tone of Bloodlines?

 

[S.torch]

The worst examples are, of course, in Marvel and Disney movies of recent years, where characters constantly quip about the things that are happening around them in ways that feel completely unnatural for a person living in that world, and instead is just a wink wink nudge nudge to the audience. I utterly abhor it.

Here's a great example of how horrendous it is, and how it completely destroys the atmosphere of the scene:


You have a chase scene with a shootout, the protagonists driving away while stormtroopers chase them. Laser bullets fly everywhere, it's a scene of high tension and danger. Then some stormtroopers launch into the air with jetpacks to attack the heroes from above. Escalation! Rising danger! Excitement!

Since you mentioned Star Wars, here's a scene that it's the complete opposite of that one:



Here we can see how General Grievous, a Sith general corners a whole group of jedi masters. He warns them that he's coming, creating a sense of psychological pressure that makes one of the jedi lose it and charge to attack the invisible menace, the Sith jumps on him mercilessly and then jumps to attack the group. One by one the jedi fall murdered in cold blood by the Sith, he doesn't even react, only their allies do. There's no quip and no comments trying to take weight of the situation, and why should it? Is not a fun situation, is dreadful, people are being killing by a thing that resembles a human centipede with razor blades for weapons. Is fascinating, but also terrifying.

All of this in an animated show that was deemed to be "familiar", apt for most ages. Meanwhile today things that are deemed for "adults" are one hundred time more infantilized. Every serious situation needs to be broken away with a quip, lest someone feels uncomfortable.

This series was released in 2003, Baldur's Gate 1 in 1998. Things like Bloodlines and Deus Ex in 2004 and 2000 respectively. I think there was a general trend for people to take seriously what they were doing, and overall had a positive result on the output of their work.

 

[Hydro]

The worst examples are, of course, in Marvel and Disney movies of recent years, where characters constantly quip about the things that are happening around them in ways that feel completely unnatural for a person living in that world, and instead is just a wink wink nudge nudge to the audience. I utterly abhor it.

Here's a great example of how horrendous it is, and how it completely destroys the atmosphere of the scene:


You have a chase scene with a shootout, the protagonists driving away while stormtroopers chase them. Laser bullets fly everywhere, it's a scene of high tension and danger. Then some stormtroopers launch into the air with jetpacks to attack the heroes from above. Escalation! Rising danger! Excitement!

Since you mentioned Star Wars, here's a scene that it's the complete opposite of that one:



Here we can see how General Grievous, a Sith general corners a whole group of jedi masters. He warns them that he's coming, creating a sense of psychological pressure that makes one of the jedi lose it and charge to attack the invisible menace, the Sith jumps on him mercilessly and then jumps to attack the group. One by one the jedi fall murdered in cold blood by the Sith, he doesn't even react, only their allies do. There's no quip and no comments trying to take weight of the situation, and why should it? Is not a fun situation, is dreadful, people are being killing by a thing that resembles a human centipede with razor blades for weapons. Is fascinating, but also terrifying.

All of this in an animated show that was deemed to be "familiar", apt for most ages. Meanwhile today things that are deemed for "adults" are one hundred time more infantilized. Every serious situation needs to be broken away with a quip, lest someone feels uncomfortable.

This series was released in 2003, Baldur's Gate 1 in 1998. Things like Bloodlines and Deus Ex in 2004 and 2000 respectively. I think there was a general trend for people to take seriously what they were doing, and overall had a positive result on the output of their work.

Genndy Tartakovsky is very recognizable — very good combat choreography overall, but not a big fan of the art style. Wish there was something like this based on the Salvatore’s Dark Elf

 

[TripJack]

The deeper you dig into Halo the further right it looks until you realise it's fundamentally about reviving aryan root-culture to save civilisation from abrahamic corruption.

what

 

[destinae vomitus]

The deeper you dig into Halo the further right it looks until you realise it's fundamentally about reviving aryan root-culture to save civilisation from abrahamic corruption.

what

He's a histrionic furry pedophile who evidently loves Halo unconditionally to the point that he fellates it as to being some holistic artistic masterwork that us dumb-dumbs just don't understand (click here for proof!), so don't expect him to make much sense, especially when the moniker of MustardChef (who saves humanity from "The Flood" and "The Covenant") happens to be John-117, and yet he's claiming Halo to be "anti-abrahamic". Nevermind also how he's one of those gentlemen who lumps together Christianity, Judaism and Islam under that one label, let alone the fact that the actual roots of Christianity has more ties to "aryan culture" than whatever retardation this reprobate is meaning to espouse by way of championing a largely banal console shooter whilst he's simultaneously busy jerking off to cartoon catboys.

Uh oh, oh dear, now he's going to write up a logorrheic diatribe about how ackshually "John 117" is NOT a blatant reference to a bible verse and I'm a stupid fucking yokel, what have I done? I'll see myself out, this is a bit off-topic anyhow.

 

[Xelocix]

The worst examples are, of course, in Marvel and Disney movies of recent years, where characters constantly quip about the things that are happening around them in ways that feel completely unnatural for a person living in that world, and instead is just a wink wink nudge nudge to the audience. I utterly abhor it.

Here's a great example of how horrendous it is, and how it completely destroys the atmosphere of the scene:


You have a chase scene with a shootout, the protagonists driving away while stormtroopers chase them. Laser bullets fly everywhere, it's a scene of high tension and danger. Then some stormtroopers launch into the air with jetpacks to attack the heroes from above. Escalation! Rising danger! Excitement!

Since you mentioned Star Wars, here's a scene that it's the complete opposite of that one:



Here we can see how General Grievous, a Sith general corners a whole group of jedi masters. He warns them that he's coming, creating a sense of psychological pressure that makes one of the jedi lose it and charge to attack the invisible menace, the Sith jumps on him mercilessly and then jumps to attack the group. One by one the jedi fall murdered in cold blood by the Sith, he doesn't even react, only their allies do. There's no quip and no comments trying to take weight of the situation, and why should it? Is not a fun situation, is dreadful, people are being killing by a thing that resembles a human centipede with razor blades for weapons. Is fascinating, but also terrifying.

All of this in an animated show that was deemed to be "familiar", apt for most ages. Meanwhile today things that are deemed for "adults" are one hundred time more infantilized. Every serious situation needs to be broken away with a quip, lest someone feels uncomfortable.

This series was released in 2003, Baldur's Gate 1 in 1998. Things like Bloodlines and Deus Ex in 2004 and 2000 respectively. I think there was a general trend for people to take seriously what they were doing, and overall had a positive result on the output of their work.

Star Wars used to be so goated back in the early 00's. Watching these clips and reading stuff like this that's so spot on reminds me of how great SW was becoming and could've been. Oh well. Womp womp.

 

[Hydro]

Nevermind also how he's one of those gentlemen who lumps together Christianity, Judaism and Islam under that one label

Not false at all, as these three stem from one root.

roots of Christianity has more ties to "aryan culture"

Legendary cope comparable to the Halo=Aryan silliness.

 

[GamerCat_]

The deeper you dig into Halo the further right it looks until you realise it's fundamentally about reviving aryan root-culture to save civilisation from abrahamic corruption.

what

He's a histrionic furry pedophile who evidently loves Halo unconditionally to the point that he fellates it as to being some holistic artistic masterwork that us dumb-dumbs just don't understand (click here for proof!), so don't expect him to make much sense, especially when the moniker of MustardChef (who saves humanity from "The Flood" and "The Covenant") happens to be John-117, and yet he's claiming Halo to be "anti-abrahamic". Nevermind also how he's one of those gentlemen who lumps together Christianity, Judaism and Islam under that one label, let alone the fact that the actual roots of Christianity has more ties to "aryan culture" than whatever retardation this reprobate is meaning to espouse by way of championing a largely banal console shooter whilst he's simultaneously busy jerking off to cartoon catboys.

Uh oh, oh dear, now he's going to write up a logorrheic diatribe about how ackshually "John 117" is NOT a blatant reference to a bible verse and I'm a stupid fucking yokel, what have I done? I'll see myself out, this is a bit off-topic anyhow.

For the law was given through Moses, and grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Very ironic that you would think you are in a position to use this against me. It is a reference to the bible. Obviously. But what is it saying?

Do you think they just liked the name/number combination and went from there? Mystical meaningless posturing? Or did they specifically want this to be at the heart of their work? For the law was given through Moses, and grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

What does that mean, in this context Bungie put it in? What could it mean? If you think there's reason behind its use, you ought to be able to explain what that reason is.

I can.

I'm sure they chose this very specific line out of the entire western religious tradition very deliberately. The law is given through a man, and then grace and truth arrive embodied. That alone should be enough to make sense of Halo. But it's been a long time and I'm still the only one to work it all out. So I understand that's asking a lot of most people.

 

[Beastro]

The deeper you dig into Halo the further right it looks until you realise it's fundamentally about reviving aryan root-culture to save civilisation from abrahamic corruption.

what

He's a histrionic furry pedophile who evidently loves Halo unconditionally to the point that he fellates it as to being some holistic artistic masterwork that us dumb-dumbs just don't understand (click here for proof!), so don't expect him to make much sense, especially when the moniker of MustardChef (who saves humanity from "The Flood" and "The Covenant") happens to be John-117, and yet he's claiming Halo to be "anti-abrahamic". Nevermind also how he's one of those gentlemen who lumps together Christianity, Judaism and Islam under that one label, let alone the fact that the actual roots of Christianity has more ties to "aryan culture" than whatever retardation this reprobate is meaning to espouse by way of championing a largely banal console shooter whilst he's simultaneously busy jerking off to cartoon catboys.

Uh oh, oh dear, now he's going to write up a logorrheic diatribe about how ackshually "John 117" is NOT a blatant reference to a bible verse and I'm a stupid fucking yokel, what have I done? I'll see myself out, this is a bit off-topic anyhow.

Odd. Usually Bungie fans go crazy like this for Marathon, not Halo.

 

[GamerCat_]

Odd. Usually Bungie fans go crazy like this for Marathon, not Halo.

Posers and morons always have it for outdated codes and indicators of prestige contained within. Marathon is the game with a lot of words, like a book. Teacher said books are good, not like video games. Because they have a lot of words. So if a video game has a lot of words, maybe it's good like a book. And the adults will finally respect us. I've said all this here before of course. People go crazy around Marathon, but have you ever found someone saying anything interesting about it? What I find to be the most interesting thing about Marathon I've never even seen anybody else say or write, which is that its endgame/ending is the protagonist effectively entering a Valhalla state of existence. Which you might say sets us up to appreciate something else...

 

[Morenatsu.]

Marathon was a fun sci-fi adventure with a cool feel to the setting. The turboautist loreshit is for nerds though, and is why Marathon 2 and Infinity suck. And the same can be said for Halo, it's cool but who cares about lore. Except, Halo is also shit.

 

[Fedora Master]

Halo was the beginning of the console shooter era and brought nothing but decline.

 

[Maldoror]

westoid liberals are ideologically opposed to the fundamental assumptions that made D&D lore, and fantasy, in general.

The Basic Expert on YouTube made a good video that broaches this topic. The tl;dw of it is that materialists and liberals struggle to envision and create meaningful works of fantasy because they deny essential metaphysical truths or even feelings towards metaphysics that would create a sense of cosmic meaning in the fantasy. Everything becomes psychological and explainable through cold realism and modern day politics.

 

[GamerCat_]

westoid liberals are ideologically opposed to the fundamental assumptions that made D&D lore, and fantasy, in general.

The Basic Expert on YouTube made a good video that broaches this topic. The tl;dw of it is that materialists and liberals struggle to envision and create meaningful works of fantasy because they deny essential metaphysical truths or even feelings towards metaphysics that would create a sense of cosmic meaning in the fantasy. Everything becomes psychological and explainable through cold realism and modern day politics.

- lobe

Are you familiar with R. Scott Bakker. That's what actual cold realism applied to genre fiction looks like. It comes back to cosmic horror. HP Lovecraft was a fucking autist. "SCIENCE" fiction. Cold realism and hard politics is SCARY. I have never seen a vaporwave intro precede something good. Still might listen to this guy just to torture myself but the libtard problem is not materialism or metaphysical truths so much as basic reality and human nature. These people cannot do psychology or cold realism.

This sounds like the outdated rightward ceding of all humanities to libtards by default that stifled culture and chased thinking and feeling men out of any serious inner life for decades. Psychology does not have a libtard bias. We do not have to consign ourselves to the "metaphysical" because every exploration of what is real is going to vindicate Kamala Harris.

You know what, I won't even post this. I'm going to listen to the guy then write further.

Yeah, 7 minutes, I've had enough. This man has no answer for my tactical trukes.

 

[Maldoror]

westoid liberals are ideologically opposed to the fundamental assumptions that made D&D lore, and fantasy, in general.

The Basic Expert on YouTube made a good video that broaches this topic. The tl;dw of it is that materialists and liberals struggle to envision and create meaningful works of fantasy because they deny essential metaphysical truths or even feelings towards metaphysics that would create a sense of cosmic meaning in the fantasy. Everything becomes psychological and explainable through cold realism and modern day politics.

- lobe

Are you familiar with R. Scott Bakker. That's what actual cold realism applied to genre fiction looks like. It comes back to cosmic horror. HP Lovecraft was a fucking autist. "SCIENCE" fiction. Cold realism and hard politics is SCARY. I have never seen a vaporwave intro precede something good. Still might listen to this guy just to torture myself but the libtard problem is not materialism or metaphysical truths so much as basic reality and human nature. These people cannot do psychology or cold realism.

This sounds like the outdated rightward ceding of all humanities to libtards by default that stifled culture and chased thinking and feeling men out of any serious inner life for decades. Psychology does not have a libtard bias. We do not have to consign ourselves to the "metaphysical" because every exploration of what is real is going to vindicate Kamala Harris.

You know what, I won't even post this. I'm going to listen to the guy then write further.

Yeah, 7 minutes, I've had enough. This man has no answer for my tactical trukes.

That's not what vaporwave is, first of all. The intro music there is just a generic pastiche of what people imagine 'feelgood' 80s muzak sounded like, this is vaporwave.
I can understand why you would be confused, but they are actually different things.

I never once said that psychology was inherently biased toward liberalism, the central point of the video is that cultures removed from transcendent values struggle to easily conceptualize worlds with transcendent values.
I say this as a non-Abrahamist who despises both American/Anglo "libtards" and conservatives alike, but the modern liberal worldview recoils in total confusion at worlds with fundamental and intrinsic qualities.

There is no "consigning" to metaphysics, since metaphysics encompasses the totality of being. This is like saying "we do not need to consign ourselves to food" when somebody mentions that people who refuse to eat are retarded.

 

[GamerCat_]

westoid liberals are ideologically opposed to the fundamental assumptions that made D&D lore, and fantasy, in general.

The Basic Expert on YouTube made a good video that broaches this topic. The tl;dw of it is that materialists and liberals struggle to envision and create meaningful works of fantasy because they deny essential metaphysical truths or even feelings towards metaphysics that would create a sense of cosmic meaning in the fantasy. Everything becomes psychological and explainable through cold realism and modern day politics.

- lobe

Are you familiar with R. Scott Bakker. That's what actual cold realism applied to genre fiction looks like. It comes back to cosmic horror. HP Lovecraft was a fucking autist. "SCIENCE" fiction. Cold realism and hard politics is SCARY. I have never seen a vaporwave intro precede something good. Still might listen to this guy just to torture myself but the libtard problem is not materialism or metaphysical truths so much as basic reality and human nature. These people cannot do psychology or cold realism.

This sounds like the outdated rightward ceding of all humanities to libtards by default that stifled culture and chased thinking and feeling men out of any serious inner life for decades. Psychology does not have a libtard bias. We do not have to consign ourselves to the "metaphysical" because every exploration of what is real is going to vindicate Kamala Harris.

You know what, I won't even post this. I'm going to listen to the guy then write further.

Yeah, 7 minutes, I've had enough. This man has no answer for my tactical trukes.

That's not what vaporwave is, first of all. The intro music there is just a generic pastiche of what people imagine 'feelgood' 80s muzak sounded like, this is vaporwave.
I can understand why you would be confused, but they are actually different things.

I don't care it's shit for idiots.

I never once said that psychology was inherently biased toward liberalism

You didn't, it's an inference I'm making about your attitude, based on your attitude towards other things. It's true of a broad class of people.

the central point of the video is that cultures removed from transcendent values struggle to easily conceptualize worlds with transcendent values.

And I think that point is stupid and wrong. At least as phrased here and there for the most part. If there is a smallness and narrowing of conceptual horizons, it is not a logical or anti-metaphysical/transcendant one. It's more like a kind of rubeish provincial horror at what might lie inside the human heart, or history, or nature, or anything. It's retards afraid of everything. The cold-hearted, disenchanted men of new science were great writers. I would say that that outlook has a transcendence of its own. Eugenics. Eternal powercreep. The end of the tech tree.

A point a Japanese friend has tried to impress upon me several times, he considers this quite important, is that he believes that their culture is inherently atheistic. Not inclined towards metaphysics. Higher religion tending towards sorting of Earthly life. And aren't they good at genre fiction? The show I watched with him, he thought it conveyed this point quite well, was TexHnolyze. The above is the manga 'BIOMEGA' by Nihei (who by the way is a massive Halo fan and did some official art and writing for it).

It's a deeply sincere and transcendent work. And there is no God. No quaint hobbit wisdom. No divine enchantment with the friends we made along the way. It's an epic of power, desire, and human will. Nihei probably doesn't think much about the metaphysical or religion. Lovecraft thought a lot about it, rejected it all, thought we were animals and consciousness was an accident of nature. I don't see it mattering.

I say this as a non-Abrahamist who despises both American/Anglo "libtards" and conservatives alike, but the modern liberal worldview recoils in total confusion at worlds with fundamental and intrinsic qualities.

They recoil in horror and confusion at a man's honestly expressed sex-drive. These people are allergic to reality. We do not have to trace this back to the fine metaphysical errors of William of Ockham. These people are giant retarded nigger faggots who have captured cultural industry and infrastructure through politics and now squat on society's capacity to do anything interesting.

There is no "consigning" to metaphysics, since metaphysics encompasses the totality of being. This is like saying "we do not need to consign ourselves to food" when somebody mentions that people who refuse to eat are retarded.

When we talk about "metaphysics" we tend to mean things which are less fundamental and intrinsic, and more distant and abstract to the point of not mattering. To me what's fundamental and intrinsic and makes the difference between good or bad writing and artists, is your grip on humanity. Can you honestly look at people regardless of what you find? And are you intelligent enough to look deeply?