Decline The lack of sincerity in RPGs (and gaming in general)

[RaggleFraggle]

Tim Cain and Troika bros also made Vampire: Bloodlines, and while its combat and system are not a one hundred percent accurate adaptation of the Vampire: The Masquerade tabletop game, its story, characters and setting are so faithful to the source material.

Really? Then how come the tabletop books, and the latest batch of games written by diehard fans, why do those suck ass and completely fail to emulate the quirky irreverent tone of Bloodlines?

 

[S.torch]

The worst examples are, of course, in Marvel and Disney movies of recent years, where characters constantly quip about the things that are happening around them in ways that feel completely unnatural for a person living in that world, and instead is just a wink wink nudge nudge to the audience. I utterly abhor it.

Here's a great example of how horrendous it is, and how it completely destroys the atmosphere of the scene:


You have a chase scene with a shootout, the protagonists driving away while stormtroopers chase them. Laser bullets fly everywhere, it's a scene of high tension and danger. Then some stormtroopers launch into the air with jetpacks to attack the heroes from above. Escalation! Rising danger! Excitement!

Since you mentioned Star Wars, here's a scene that it's the complete opposite of that one:



Here we can see how General Grievous, a Sith general corners a whole group of jedi masters. He warns them that he's coming, creating a sense of psychological pressure that makes one of the jedi lose it and charge to attack the invisible menace, the Sith jumps on him mercilessly and then jumps to attack the group. One by one the jedi fall murdered in cold blood by the Sith, he doesn't even react, only their allies do. There's no quip and no comments trying to take weight of the situation, and why should it? Is not a fun situation, is dreadful, people are being killing by a thing that resembles a human centipede with razor blades for weapons. Is fascinating, but also terrifying.

All of this in an animated show that was deemed to be "familiar", apt for most ages. Meanwhile today things that are deemed for "adults" are one hundred time more infantilized. Every serious situation needs to be broken away with a quip, lest someone feels uncomfortable.

This series was released in 2003, Baldur's Gate 1 in 1998. Things like Bloodlines and Deus Ex in 2004 and 2000 respectively. I think there was a general trend for people to take seriously what they were doing, and overall had a positive result on the output of their work.

 

[Hydro]

The worst examples are, of course, in Marvel and Disney movies of recent years, where characters constantly quip about the things that are happening around them in ways that feel completely unnatural for a person living in that world, and instead is just a wink wink nudge nudge to the audience. I utterly abhor it.

Here's a great example of how horrendous it is, and how it completely destroys the atmosphere of the scene:


You have a chase scene with a shootout, the protagonists driving away while stormtroopers chase them. Laser bullets fly everywhere, it's a scene of high tension and danger. Then some stormtroopers launch into the air with jetpacks to attack the heroes from above. Escalation! Rising danger! Excitement!

Since you mentioned Star Wars, here's a scene that it's the complete opposite of that one:



Here we can see how General Grievous, a Sith general corners a whole group of jedi masters. He warns them that he's coming, creating a sense of psychological pressure that makes one of the jedi lose it and charge to attack the invisible menace, the Sith jumps on him mercilessly and then jumps to attack the group. One by one the jedi fall murdered in cold blood by the Sith, he doesn't even react, only their allies do. There's no quip and no comments trying to take weight of the situation, and why should it? Is not a fun situation, is dreadful, people are being killing by a thing that resembles a human centipede with razor blades for weapons. Is fascinating, but also terrifying.

All of this in an animated show that was deemed to be "familiar", apt for most ages. Meanwhile today things that are deemed for "adults" are one hundred time more infantilized. Every serious situation needs to be broken away with a quip, lest someone feels uncomfortable.

This series was released in 2003, Baldur's Gate 1 in 1998. Things like Bloodlines and Deus Ex in 2004 and 2000 respectively. I think there was a general trend for people to take seriously what they were doing, and overall had a positive result on the output of their work.

Genndy Tartakovsky is very recognizable — very good combat choreography overall, but not a big fan of the art style. Wish there was something like this based on the Salvatore’s Dark Elf

 

[TripJack]

The deeper you dig into Halo the further right it looks until you realise it's fundamentally about reviving aryan root-culture to save civilisation from abrahamic corruption.

what

 

[destinae vomitus]

The deeper you dig into Halo the further right it looks until you realise it's fundamentally about reviving aryan root-culture to save civilisation from abrahamic corruption.

what

He's a histrionic furry pedophile who evidently loves Halo unconditionally to the point that he fellates it as to being some holistic artistic masterwork that us dumb-dumbs just don't understand (click here for proof!), so don't expect him to make much sense, especially when the moniker of MustardChef (who saves humanity from "The Flood" and "The Covenant") happens to be John-117, and yet he's claiming Halo to be "anti-abrahamic". Nevermind also how he's one of those gentlemen who lumps together Christianity, Judaism and Islam under that one label, let alone the fact that the actual roots of Christianity has more ties to "aryan culture" than whatever retardation this reprobate is meaning to espouse by way of championing a largely banal console shooter whilst he's simultaneously busy jerking off to cartoon catboys.

Uh oh, oh dear, now he's going to write up a logorrheic diatribe about how ackshually "John 117" is NOT a blatant reference to a bible verse and I'm a stupid fucking yokel, what have I done? I'll see myself out, this is a bit off-topic anyhow.

 

[Xelocix]

The worst examples are, of course, in Marvel and Disney movies of recent years, where characters constantly quip about the things that are happening around them in ways that feel completely unnatural for a person living in that world, and instead is just a wink wink nudge nudge to the audience. I utterly abhor it.

Here's a great example of how horrendous it is, and how it completely destroys the atmosphere of the scene:


You have a chase scene with a shootout, the protagonists driving away while stormtroopers chase them. Laser bullets fly everywhere, it's a scene of high tension and danger. Then some stormtroopers launch into the air with jetpacks to attack the heroes from above. Escalation! Rising danger! Excitement!

Since you mentioned Star Wars, here's a scene that it's the complete opposite of that one:



Here we can see how General Grievous, a Sith general corners a whole group of jedi masters. He warns them that he's coming, creating a sense of psychological pressure that makes one of the jedi lose it and charge to attack the invisible menace, the Sith jumps on him mercilessly and then jumps to attack the group. One by one the jedi fall murdered in cold blood by the Sith, he doesn't even react, only their allies do. There's no quip and no comments trying to take weight of the situation, and why should it? Is not a fun situation, is dreadful, people are being killing by a thing that resembles a human centipede with razor blades for weapons. Is fascinating, but also terrifying.

All of this in an animated show that was deemed to be "familiar", apt for most ages. Meanwhile today things that are deemed for "adults" are one hundred time more infantilized. Every serious situation needs to be broken away with a quip, lest someone feels uncomfortable.

This series was released in 2003, Baldur's Gate 1 in 1998. Things like Bloodlines and Deus Ex in 2004 and 2000 respectively. I think there was a general trend for people to take seriously what they were doing, and overall had a positive result on the output of their work.

Star Wars used to be so goated back in the early 00's. Watching these clips and reading stuff like this that's so spot on reminds me of how great SW was becoming and could've been. Oh well. Womp womp.

 

[Hydro]

Nevermind also how he's one of those gentlemen who lumps together Christianity, Judaism and Islam under that one label

Not false at all, as these three stem from one root.

roots of Christianity has more ties to "aryan culture"

Legendary cope comparable to the Halo=Aryan silliness.

 

[GamerCat_]

The deeper you dig into Halo the further right it looks until you realise it's fundamentally about reviving aryan root-culture to save civilisation from abrahamic corruption.

what

He's a histrionic furry pedophile who evidently loves Halo unconditionally to the point that he fellates it as to being some holistic artistic masterwork that us dumb-dumbs just don't understand (click here for proof!), so don't expect him to make much sense, especially when the moniker of MustardChef (who saves humanity from "The Flood" and "The Covenant") happens to be John-117, and yet he's claiming Halo to be "anti-abrahamic". Nevermind also how he's one of those gentlemen who lumps together Christianity, Judaism and Islam under that one label, let alone the fact that the actual roots of Christianity has more ties to "aryan culture" than whatever retardation this reprobate is meaning to espouse by way of championing a largely banal console shooter whilst he's simultaneously busy jerking off to cartoon catboys.

Uh oh, oh dear, now he's going to write up a logorrheic diatribe about how ackshually "John 117" is NOT a blatant reference to a bible verse and I'm a stupid fucking yokel, what have I done? I'll see myself out, this is a bit off-topic anyhow.

For the law was given through Moses, and grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Very ironic that you would think you are in a position to use this against me. It is a reference to the bible. Obviously. But what is it saying?

Do you think they just liked the name/number combination and went from there? Mystical meaningless posturing? Or did they specifically want this to be at the heart of their work? For the law was given through Moses, and grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

What does that mean, in this context Bungie put it in? What could it mean? If you think there's reason behind its use, you ought to be able to explain what that reason is.

I can.

I'm sure they chose this very specific line out of the entire western religious tradition very deliberately. The law is given through a man, and then grace and truth arrive embodied. That alone should be enough to make sense of Halo. But it's been a long time and I'm still the only one to work it all out. So I understand that's asking a lot of most people.

 

[Beastro]

The deeper you dig into Halo the further right it looks until you realise it's fundamentally about reviving aryan root-culture to save civilisation from abrahamic corruption.

what

He's a histrionic furry pedophile who evidently loves Halo unconditionally to the point that he fellates it as to being some holistic artistic masterwork that us dumb-dumbs just don't understand (click here for proof!), so don't expect him to make much sense, especially when the moniker of MustardChef (who saves humanity from "The Flood" and "The Covenant") happens to be John-117, and yet he's claiming Halo to be "anti-abrahamic". Nevermind also how he's one of those gentlemen who lumps together Christianity, Judaism and Islam under that one label, let alone the fact that the actual roots of Christianity has more ties to "aryan culture" than whatever retardation this reprobate is meaning to espouse by way of championing a largely banal console shooter whilst he's simultaneously busy jerking off to cartoon catboys.

Uh oh, oh dear, now he's going to write up a logorrheic diatribe about how ackshually "John 117" is NOT a blatant reference to a bible verse and I'm a stupid fucking yokel, what have I done? I'll see myself out, this is a bit off-topic anyhow.

Odd. Usually Bungie fans go crazy like this for Marathon, not Halo.

 

[GamerCat_]

Odd. Usually Bungie fans go crazy like this for Marathon, not Halo.

Posers and morons always have it for outdated codes and indicators of prestige contained within. Marathon is the game with a lot of words, like a book. Teacher said books are good, not like video games. Because they have a lot of words. So if a video game has a lot of words, maybe it's good like a book. And the adults will finally respect us. I've said all this here before of course. People go crazy around Marathon, but have you ever found someone saying anything interesting about it? What I find to be the most interesting thing about Marathon I've never even seen anybody else say or write, which is that its endgame/ending is the protagonist effectively entering a Valhalla state of existence. Which you might say sets us up to appreciate something else...

 

[Morenatsu.]

Marathon was a fun sci-fi adventure with a cool feel to the setting. The turboautist loreshit is for nerds though, and is why Marathon 2 and Infinity suck. And the same can be said for Halo, it's cool but who cares about lore. Except, Halo is also shit.

 

[Fedora Master]

Halo was the beginning of the console shooter era and brought nothing but decline.

 

[Maldoror]

westoid liberals are ideologically opposed to the fundamental assumptions that made D&D lore, and fantasy, in general.

The Basic Expert on YouTube made a good video that broaches this topic. The tl;dw of it is that materialists and liberals struggle to envision and create meaningful works of fantasy because they deny essential metaphysical truths or even feelings towards metaphysics that would create a sense of cosmic meaning in the fantasy. Everything becomes psychological and explainable through cold realism and modern day politics.

 

[GamerCat_]

westoid liberals are ideologically opposed to the fundamental assumptions that made D&D lore, and fantasy, in general.

The Basic Expert on YouTube made a good video that broaches this topic. The tl;dw of it is that materialists and liberals struggle to envision and create meaningful works of fantasy because they deny essential metaphysical truths or even feelings towards metaphysics that would create a sense of cosmic meaning in the fantasy. Everything becomes psychological and explainable through cold realism and modern day politics.

- lobe

Are you familiar with R. Scott Bakker. That's what actual cold realism applied to genre fiction looks like. It comes back to cosmic horror. HP Lovecraft was a fucking autist. "SCIENCE" fiction. Cold realism and hard politics is SCARY. I have never seen a vaporwave intro precede something good. Still might listen to this guy just to torture myself but the libtard problem is not materialism or metaphysical truths so much as basic reality and human nature. These people cannot do psychology or cold realism.

This sounds like the outdated rightward ceding of all humanities to libtards by default that stifled culture and chased thinking and feeling men out of any serious inner life for decades. Psychology does not have a libtard bias. We do not have to consign ourselves to the "metaphysical" because every exploration of what is real is going to vindicate Kamala Harris.

You know what, I won't even post this. I'm going to listen to the guy then write further.

Yeah, 7 minutes, I've had enough. This man has no answer for my tactical trukes.

 

[Maldoror]

westoid liberals are ideologically opposed to the fundamental assumptions that made D&D lore, and fantasy, in general.

The Basic Expert on YouTube made a good video that broaches this topic. The tl;dw of it is that materialists and liberals struggle to envision and create meaningful works of fantasy because they deny essential metaphysical truths or even feelings towards metaphysics that would create a sense of cosmic meaning in the fantasy. Everything becomes psychological and explainable through cold realism and modern day politics.

- lobe

Are you familiar with R. Scott Bakker. That's what actual cold realism applied to genre fiction looks like. It comes back to cosmic horror. HP Lovecraft was a fucking autist. "SCIENCE" fiction. Cold realism and hard politics is SCARY. I have never seen a vaporwave intro precede something good. Still might listen to this guy just to torture myself but the libtard problem is not materialism or metaphysical truths so much as basic reality and human nature. These people cannot do psychology or cold realism.

This sounds like the outdated rightward ceding of all humanities to libtards by default that stifled culture and chased thinking and feeling men out of any serious inner life for decades. Psychology does not have a libtard bias. We do not have to consign ourselves to the "metaphysical" because every exploration of what is real is going to vindicate Kamala Harris.

You know what, I won't even post this. I'm going to listen to the guy then write further.

Yeah, 7 minutes, I've had enough. This man has no answer for my tactical trukes.

That's not what vaporwave is, first of all. The intro music there is just a generic pastiche of what people imagine 'feelgood' 80s muzak sounded like, this is vaporwave.
I can understand why you would be confused, but they are actually different things.

I never once said that psychology was inherently biased toward liberalism, the central point of the video is that cultures removed from transcendent values struggle to easily conceptualize worlds with transcendent values.
I say this as a non-Abrahamist who despises both American/Anglo "libtards" and conservatives alike, but the modern liberal worldview recoils in total confusion at worlds with fundamental and intrinsic qualities.

There is no "consigning" to metaphysics, since metaphysics encompasses the totality of being. This is like saying "we do not need to consign ourselves to food" when somebody mentions that people who refuse to eat are retarded.

 

[GamerCat_]

westoid liberals are ideologically opposed to the fundamental assumptions that made D&D lore, and fantasy, in general.

The Basic Expert on YouTube made a good video that broaches this topic. The tl;dw of it is that materialists and liberals struggle to envision and create meaningful works of fantasy because they deny essential metaphysical truths or even feelings towards metaphysics that would create a sense of cosmic meaning in the fantasy. Everything becomes psychological and explainable through cold realism and modern day politics.

- lobe

Are you familiar with R. Scott Bakker. That's what actual cold realism applied to genre fiction looks like. It comes back to cosmic horror. HP Lovecraft was a fucking autist. "SCIENCE" fiction. Cold realism and hard politics is SCARY. I have never seen a vaporwave intro precede something good. Still might listen to this guy just to torture myself but the libtard problem is not materialism or metaphysical truths so much as basic reality and human nature. These people cannot do psychology or cold realism.

This sounds like the outdated rightward ceding of all humanities to libtards by default that stifled culture and chased thinking and feeling men out of any serious inner life for decades. Psychology does not have a libtard bias. We do not have to consign ourselves to the "metaphysical" because every exploration of what is real is going to vindicate Kamala Harris.

You know what, I won't even post this. I'm going to listen to the guy then write further.

Yeah, 7 minutes, I've had enough. This man has no answer for my tactical trukes.

That's not what vaporwave is, first of all. The intro music there is just a generic pastiche of what people imagine 'feelgood' 80s muzak sounded like, this is vaporwave.
I can understand why you would be confused, but they are actually different things.

I don't care it's shit for idiots.

I never once said that psychology was inherently biased toward liberalism

You didn't, it's an inference I'm making about your attitude, based on your attitude towards other things. It's true of a broad class of people.

the central point of the video is that cultures removed from transcendent values struggle to easily conceptualize worlds with transcendent values.

And I think that point is stupid and wrong. At least as phrased here and there for the most part. If there is a smallness and narrowing of conceptual horizons, it is not a logical or anti-metaphysical/transcendant one. It's more like a kind of rubeish provincial horror at what might lie inside the human heart, or history, or nature, or anything. It's retards afraid of everything. The cold-hearted, disenchanted men of new science were great writers. I would say that that outlook has a transcendence of its own. Eugenics. Eternal powercreep. The end of the tech tree.

A point a Japanese friend has tried to impress upon me several times, he considers this quite important, is that he believes that their culture is inherently atheistic. Not inclined towards metaphysics. Higher religion tending towards sorting of Earthly life. And aren't they good at genre fiction? The show I watched with him, he thought it conveyed this point quite well, was TexHnolyze. The above is the manga 'BIOMEGA' by Nihei (who by the way is a massive Halo fan and did some official art and writing for it).

It's a deeply sincere and transcendent work. And there is no God. No quaint hobbit wisdom. No divine enchantment with the friends we made along the way. It's an epic of power, desire, and human will. Nihei probably doesn't think much about the metaphysical or religion. Lovecraft thought a lot about it, rejected it all, thought we were animals and consciousness was an accident of nature. I don't see it mattering.

I say this as a non-Abrahamist who despises both American/Anglo "libtards" and conservatives alike, but the modern liberal worldview recoils in total confusion at worlds with fundamental and intrinsic qualities.

They recoil in horror and confusion at a man's honestly expressed sex-drive. These people are allergic to reality. We do not have to trace this back to the fine metaphysical errors of William of Ockham. These people are giant retarded nigger faggots who have captured cultural industry and infrastructure through politics and now squat on society's capacity to do anything interesting.

There is no "consigning" to metaphysics, since metaphysics encompasses the totality of being. This is like saying "we do not need to consign ourselves to food" when somebody mentions that people who refuse to eat are retarded.

When we talk about "metaphysics" we tend to mean things which are less fundamental and intrinsic, and more distant and abstract to the point of not mattering. To me what's fundamental and intrinsic and makes the difference between good or bad writing and artists, is your grip on humanity. Can you honestly look at people regardless of what you find? And are you intelligent enough to look deeply?

 

[Maldoror]

who by the way is a massive Halo fan

I don't care it's shit for idiots.

 

[GamerCat_]

who by the way is a massive Halo fan

I don't care it's shit for idiots.

Says the man who links beardfats on youtube as intellectual authorities and considers ten lines of writing an intellectual odyssey not worth the effort of reading.

 

[Maldoror]

who by the way is a massive Halo fan

I don't care it's shit for idiots.

Says the man who links beardfats on youtube as intellectual authorities and considers ten lines of writing an intellectual odyssey not worth the effort of reading.

I, in fact, said that he made a good video. I never referred to him as an "intellectual authority".

You type like a sheltered sperg whose immediate family has huffed his farts his entire life and who derives his self-worth from his purported intellectualism, since it's all you try to communicate to anybody. Every single one of your posts on this forum oozes "I am very smart" and you go off on irrelevant tangents about topics that have no link to what you're discussing.

When you were presented with information contrary to your worldview (what is and isn't vaporwave) your only response was "I don't care" which told me all that I need to know about conversing with you. If it can't be used to push the agenda that you are "very smart" then it's useless to you.

A pox on you for using Cait Sith as your avatar, too.

 

[GamerCat_]

who by the way is a massive Halo fan

I don't care it's shit for idiots.

Says the man who links beardfats on youtube as intellectual authorities and considers ten lines of writing an intellectual odyssey not worth the effort of reading.

I, in fact, said that he made a good video. I never referred to him as an "intellectual authority".

You take him seriously is my point.

You type like a sheltered sperg whose immediate family has huffed his farts his entire life and who derives his self-worth from his purported intellectualism

What do you, think you're the first person to ever call me an asshole? You're like the 20th today.

since it's all you try to communicate to anybody.

Actually I'm one of the only people on the internet trying to communicate specific ideas and interpretations about specific things, and everyone always ignores what I'm saying and fixates upon my tone and the impression they get of me as a person.

I'm one of the few people online trying to meaningfully communicate, and what that has taught me is that most people don't want to, no matter where they are or how allegedly serious the gathering.

Every single one of your posts on this forum oozes "I am very smart"

Why thank you.

and you go off on irrelevant tangents about topics that have no link to what you're discussing.

My President called this "the weave".

When you were presented with information contrary to your worldview (what is and isn't vaporwave) your only response was "I don't care" which told me all that I need to know about conversing with you.

What is or isn't vaporwave isn't a part of my worldview. It is trivial and essentially unrelated to the topic at hand. The point I was making in relation to it, that I considered it a part of a recognisably consistent trend of crap taste, you haven't touched. Vaporwave openings and anything I could mistake for it, I don't see an essential difference of kind you've made here. Convince me I should care. If you write something I'll read it. You haven't caught me in any kind of hypocritical bind here. If you believe you have that tells me something about you (that you are a retarded nigger).

If it can't be used to push the agenda that you are "very smart" then it's useless to you.

What does "use" mean here? Things either interest me or they don't. The fine divisions between different kinds of 80s throwback kitsch aesthetics used for brief vlog intros are not interesting to me.

A pox on you for using Cait Sith as your avatar, too.

I doubt you'd like cait sith if you met him. Look at him. He clearly talks like me.

 

[Maldoror]

everyone always ignores what I'm saying and fixates upon my tone and the impression they get of me as a person

This should tell you all that you need to know about why nobody gives you the time of day. Farewell.

 

[Oreshnik Missile]

westoid liberals are ideologically opposed to the fundamental assumptions that made D&D lore, and fantasy, in general.

The Basic Expert on YouTube made a good video that broaches this topic. The tl;dw of it is that materialists and liberals struggle to envision and create meaningful works of fantasy because they deny essential metaphysical truths or even feelings towards metaphysics that would create a sense of cosmic meaning in the fantasy. Everything becomes psychological and explainable through cold realism and modern day politics.

- lobe

Are you familiar with R. Scott Bakker. That's what actual cold realism applied to genre fiction looks like. It comes back to cosmic horror. HP Lovecraft was a fucking autist. "SCIENCE" fiction. Cold realism and hard politics is SCARY. I have never seen a vaporwave intro precede something good. Still might listen to this guy just to torture myself but the libtard problem is not materialism or metaphysical truths so much as basic reality and human nature. These people cannot do psychology or cold realism.

This sounds like the outdated rightward ceding of all humanities to libtards by default that stifled culture and chased thinking and feeling men out of any serious inner life for decades. Psychology does not have a libtard bias. We do not have to consign ourselves to the "metaphysical" because every exploration of what is real is going to vindicate Kamala Harris.

You know what, I won't even post this. I'm going to listen to the guy then write further.

Yeah, 7 minutes, I've had enough. This man has no answer for my tactical trukes.

That's not what vaporwave is, first of all. The intro music there is just a generic pastiche of what people imagine 'feelgood' 80s muzak sounded like, this is vaporwave.
I can understand why you would be confused, but they are actually different things.

I don't care it's shit for idiots.

I never once said that psychology was inherently biased toward liberalism

You didn't, it's an inference I'm making about your attitude, based on your attitude towards other things. It's true of a broad class of people.

the central point of the video is that cultures removed from transcendent values struggle to easily conceptualize worlds with transcendent values.

And I think that point is stupid and wrong. At least as phrased here and there for the most part. If there is a smallness and narrowing of conceptual horizons, it is not a logical or anti-metaphysical/transcendant one. It's more like a kind of rubeish provincial horror at what might lie inside the human heart, or history, or nature, or anything. It's retards afraid of everything. The cold-hearted, disenchanted men of new science were great writers. I would say that that outlook has a transcendence of its own. Eugenics. Eternal powercreep. The end of the tech tree.

A point a Japanese friend has tried to impress upon me several times, he considers this quite important, is that he believes that their culture is inherently atheistic. Not inclined towards metaphysics. Higher religion tending towards sorting of Earthly life. And aren't they good at genre fiction? The show I watched with him, he thought it conveyed this point quite well, was TexHnolyze. The above is the manga 'BIOMEGA' by Nihei (who by the way is a massive Halo fan and did some official art and writing for it).

It's a deeply sincere and transcendent work. And there is no God. No quaint hobbit wisdom. No divine enchantment with the friends we made along the way. It's an epic of power, desire, and human will. Nihei probably doesn't think much about the metaphysical or religion. Lovecraft thought a lot about it, rejected it all, thought we were animals and consciousness was an accident of nature. I don't see it mattering.

I say this as a non-Abrahamist who despises both American/Anglo "libtards" and conservatives alike, but the modern liberal worldview recoils in total confusion at worlds with fundamental and intrinsic qualities.

They recoil in horror and confusion at a man's honestly expressed sex-drive. These people are allergic to reality. We do not have to trace this back to the fine metaphysical errors of William of Ockham. These people are giant retarded nigger faggots who have captured cultural industry and infrastructure through politics and now squat on society's capacity to do anything interesting.

There is no "consigning" to metaphysics, since metaphysics encompasses the totality of being. This is like saying "we do not need to consign ourselves to food" when somebody mentions that people who refuse to eat are retarded.

When we talk about "metaphysics" we tend to mean things which are less fundamental and intrinsic, and more distant and abstract to the point of not mattering. To me what's fundamental and intrinsic and makes the difference between good or bad writing and artists, is your grip on humanity. Can you honestly look at people regardless of what you find? And are you intelligent enough to look deeply?

I agree. The way I see it, there are three layers of reality, the supernatural (which includes the natural laws), the material, and the surreal (the petty imaginings and emotions of meatbags).
The material depends on the supernatural, and the surreal depends on the material.

The liberals have retreated not just from earnest consideration of the supernatural but even of the material. They are able to produce only very shallow surreal works.

 

[GamerCat_]

everyone always ignores what I'm saying and fixates upon my tone and the impression they get of me as a person

This should tell you all that you need to know about why nobody gives you the time of day. Farewell.

Plenty of people do though. Post your twitter followcount right now.

I won't rub it in by running you through the full extent of my online influence and success. But if anybody cares to look, here I am on twitter. Follow me to keep up with gamercat_ after my inevitable ban. I will call a mod a stupid nigger faggot sooner or later.

I agree. The way I see it, there are three layers of reality, the supernatural (which includes the natural laws), the material, and the surreal (the petty imaginings and emotions of meatbags).
The material depends on the supernatural, and the surreal depends on the material.

The liberals have retreated not just from earnest consideration of the supernatural but even of the material. They are able to produce only very shallow surreal works.

There are a hundred different ways we could divide all of this if we cared to. I believe the useful line to draw is whether or not you are honest about people. What you think of reality or the supernatural I wouldn't think matters, unless maybe you're a salafist and think literature makes God angry. Mormons, Catholics, Atheists, they all have written great genre fiction. I suppose you might say they all have "earnest consideration" in common, which goes back to what I said. The rest doesn't matter.

The surreal or perhaps unreal is an interesting point to raise. I believe that if your grip on reality is wilfully compromised in some way you won't make anything interesting. I don't believe that retreating from hard reality as an artist can protect you. You can't channel good abstraction from bad foundations. Where this discussion could get interesting is music, which is non-verbal, but I'd say not non-ideological. People are good artists as far as they're honest and channeling something real. Your feelings, your taste, you don't need correct complex ideas about the world to make something like good music, but I do believe if you're the kind of neurotic who will build a wilfully fucked up understanding of the world you're probably also off-base on your own emotions and most basic relationship with yourself and the world around you. Certainly can't help. Musicians I like tend to seem like cool and agreeable people too for the most part.

Heil Hitler, anime, and skeletons.

This is basically me running an experiment now and trying to steelman the idea you can be a good artist but a fucked up retard with a nonsense understanding of the world. Music seems like the place to find these people. The more particularly idea-driven the art gets, the more likely it seems the work will be compromised by an off-kilter nature. Personal neurosis/insanity can of course make a work far more interesting too. I'm on record saying perverts are cool and should be indulged if they want to sublimate their fetishes into creation. Heil LORD Omocat. Heil LORD Doekuramori. But even then, is wanting to act out some babysitter fantasy on her OCs, or Doekuramori wishing he had an older sister who raped him, are these really wrong understandings of human nature? Will these people lie about or reject any piece of reality you show them? I don't actually think so. I think they have a lot of integrity, clarity, sort of personally hard to shake as people. They just also have odd desires. That crazy can serve quite well. Bad crazy is "negro crime is socioeconomic factors." Try writing a complex novel made of complex interrelated people with little petty unrealities like this creeping up all over. Things start to break down and stop resonating as human. Is television inherently unsuited for art, or is it just all written by retarded hyperZOGlings who can't write honest interhuman dynamics with a gun to their head? I think that was always at least half of the problem. Anime is broadcast for tv, after all.

This has been gamercat's latest thought exercise. Thank you for participating if you stuck with us.

 

[Necrensha]

After scrolling past hundreds of ferret posts, I'm starting to believe that gamercat is actually PirateSoftware's alt account.

 

[whocares]

everyone always ignores what I'm saying and fixates upon my tone and the impression they get of me as a person

This should tell you all that you need to know about why nobody gives you the time of day. Farewell.