Review Absolutely idiotic Gothic 3 review

[Vault Dweller]

Tags: Gothic III; Piranha Bytes

A rather stupid british gentleman from <a href=http://www.deadalfs.co.uk>Dead Alfs</a> has tried to draw attention to the fact that the British education system is flawed by writing and unashamedly posting this <a href=http://www.deadalfs.co.uk/reviews/2447/index.html>Gothic 3 review</a>:
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<blockquote>NPCs. Sigh. I've patched the game. Yet I can still walk very very close to a gaggle of Orcs without them doing anything to me. Perhaps I've discovered an invisibility item? No. Perhaps I'm creeping? No. Then what is going on? Was the AI built to only kick in when combat starts? How come within a few minutes of leaving the starting village I'm fleeing like a girl from a pack of wolves that have somehow detected me (if I remember correctly, it was many hours ago, and my will to remember is fading rapidly), and yet I can approach Orcs and have any sense of dread or fear of them be lost completely because they're just so dumb?
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Maybe they are dumb, and I've missed the point.</blockquote>Maybe you are dumb. Have you considered this possibility?
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[Naked_Lunch]

# Clunky combat
# Lack of immersive AI
# No sense of being part of a living breathing world

I haven't laughed that hard in years, YEARS I tell you.

If I wasn't so lazy I'd probably fire off an email to him or something.

 

[The Vanished One]

They say:

And lo, on the 15th day of the 27th age of RPGs, another sequel to another RPG franchise did arrive. And not unreasonably, we did expect much from it, not least because we had travelled through lands elsewhere and destroyed Oblivion gates. Surely this would at least be on a par with that wondrous journey?

Well, honestly, no, it isn't. That this view of the game is based purely on a love of ES: Oblivion may seem harsh to some, but as an example of the genre that held appeal for non-genre fans, it's not unrealistic for me to have been excited about Gothic 3 because they surely must have included some of the gameplay elements of that game in this one.

Tsk, no.

"surely must have included..." I can't believe he is talking about using the same gameplay for every game. It's just ridiculous.

 

[Volourn]

Yay! Another fanboyish whine by VD as he foams at the mouth because his current favorite dick is not appreciated by others. HAHAHAHAHA!

 

[The Vanished One]

I suppose you've read the review and tried Gothic 3 before taking side

 

[Naked_Lunch]

Yay! Another fanboyish whine by VD as he foams at the mouth because his current favorite dick is not appreciated by others. HAHAHAHAHA!

Or the fact that the reviewer is a moron and couldn't even get simple, objective facts right.

R00FLES!

GAME OVER! PERIOD. NEXT :arrow:

 

[Volourn]

"I suppose you've read the review and tried Gothic 3 before taking side"

read the review. Not that it matters, VD has clearly demonstrated his fanbyness when it comes to G3 in spades.

Am trying to download the demo AGAIN since the demo seems to be a prick to anyone who isn't sucking its dick since those who are fnaboys of the game have suffered NO bugs.

R00fles!

 

[The_Nameless_Prick]

*sigh* Here we go again...

EDIT: couldn't resist, Volley. You used to be so pleasant
http://www.rpgcodex.com/phpBB/viewtopic ... highlight=

 

[Hamster]

Shit... so neutral non-quest-giving NPC's are now on the list of retarded things from old times which ruin the immershun and must be purged fron Ne)(T G3N RgGeees?

 

[Volourn]

TNP, And that thread got me nowhere but hell. Now, I am feared, hated, bashed, made fun of, got a royal name, and infamous. The Codex didn't want that Volourn so they got suck with this Volourn.

The Codex screwed The Codex.

 

[The_Nameless_Prick]

TNP, And that thread got me nowhere but hell. Now, I am feared, hated, bashed, made fun of, got a royal name, and infamous. The Codex didn't want that Volourn so they got suck with this Volourn.

The Codex screwed The Codex.

Can't comment on that. WAYYYYYYY before my time.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Yay! Another fanboyish whine by VD as he foams at the mouth because his current favorite dick is not appreciated by others. HAHAHAHAHA!

Volly, you know that I like you, but your behavior is beginning to annoy me. I'm perfectly ok with people disagreeing and arguing with me, but posting stupid "u r teh fanboi lol" comments without even trying to understand my position & reasons is a bit too much.

So, Volly, my old and dear friend, please make an effort to put some thoughts into your posts, and should you choose to disagree with me, do it in an intelligent manner or ...

 

[Admiral Rimjob POOBUM]

Would a "r00fles!" here be too predictable?

 

[Volourn]

If I;m annoying you, good. 'Cause your constant fanboying sucking of G3's dick annoys me too so we're even. Anyways, you are the one with Ultimate Power tm here so if you don't like me pointing out that are a victim of brainwashing and have given constant facts to back up that assessment you know how you can stop it.

You want proof of your fanboyishness?

I haven't seen even one negative G3 review that you didn't call the reviewer stupid. If there is one it's an exception that proves the rule. It's pretty much a they don't like this game that I do so they must be stupid attitude that defines fanboyism.

The truth often hurts.

P.S. Do you reall ythink i care if you like me? You must have me mistaken for someone whose trying to win a popualrity contest. Not one message baord - not even NWN's - would I win a popularity contest becauseI have no problem pointing out someone being a bonehead even if I generally agree with them.

So, use the power that you have if you want. I'll stop calling you a fanboy when you stop acting like one. That's a fair deal, I believe.

 

[Vault Dweller]

'Cause your constant fanboying sucking of G3's dick annoys me too so we're even.

Do I post "fanboi lolz" every time you mention how awesome NWN is? No, seriously? I'm OK with the fact that you like the game and see a lot of good qualities. Why the fact that I like Gothic 3 (the reasons are explained in my review) causes you to go nuts?

Anyways, you are the one with Ultimate Power tm here so if you don't like me pointing out that are a victim of brainwashing and have given constant facts to back up that assessment you know how you can stop it.

Which is exactly what my previous post implied. Stop acting like a dick or you will be banned.

I haven't seen even one negative G3 review that you didn't call the reviewer stupid.

Could it be that I had reasons and that the reviews were actually retarded? The reviewer of this review, for example, couldn't understand why orcs, whom he could fucking join in the game, didn't attack you on sight even though he walked back and forth in front of them like a retard. If that's not stupid, I don't know what is.

If there is one it's an exception that proves the rule.

So, is there one or isn't?

It's pretty much a they don't like this game that I do so they must be stupid attitude that defines fanboyism.

Unless you can prove the stupidity.

P.S. Do you reall ythink i care if you like me?

In your better days you used to be a good opponent in many discussions we've had. That had earned you my respect, regardless of whether you care about it or not.

 

[Volourn]

"Do I post "fanboi lolz" every time you mention how awesome NWN is? No, seriously?"

Quite often, actually. Not lately, mind you amazingly enough.

" I'm OK with the fact that you like the game and see a lot of good qualities."

Don't make stuff up. That must mean why you always attack me (or others) who like NWN. *shrug*


" Why the fact that I like Gothic 3 (the reasons are explained in my review) causes you to go nuts?"

Because you like it despite it hsaring the same qualities that agmes you don't like hvae in common with it. In fact, in some cases (bio), these games are actually better in that regard. Very few - if any BIO RPG - are 80% combat. Not even JE an ACTION RPG has that much combat percentage wise.


"Which is exactly what my previous post implied. Stop acting like a dick or you will be banned."

So... I'd be banned for being the exact thing that the Codex prides itself of being? Cool. It means I'd have accomplished soemthing worthwhile in my 3 years here. I could be banned/retir ein peace.

Like i said before, I'd rather not be banned; but I won't cry if it happens. In fact, an old SP sig expalined why I like posting on the Codex. If the Codex won't allow that to occur anymore than ah well. Bottom line is I'm not gonna chnage my posting style. If you don't like it deal with it in the matter you feel you must.


"Could it be that I had reasons and that the reviews were actually retarded? The reviewer of this review, for example, couldn't understand why orcs, whom he could fucking join in the game, didn't attack you on sight even though he walked back and forth in front of them like a retard. If that's not stupid, I don't know what is."

Did you play his save file? Perhaps, he had already made the orcs hostile by doing soemthing against them and they still didn't notice him. Who knows. Unless you were involved in the situation; you really cna't say if he's being stupid or the game is screwy. It sure wouldn't eb the first time that a game's hostile creatures didn't react until a very limited rnage. AI is and has always been far from perfect. Why should G3 be any different?


"So, is there one or isn't?"

I didn't do a search of the backlog of all the G3 review.s. I was disucsisng the feeling that i get when reading your G3 news posts. But, I wnated to 'protect'
myself as youa re handy with links and I didn't eant to get caught with you providing a link where you didn't slam some anti G3 reviewer for 'stupidity'. Afterall, everything has exemptions.


"In your better days you used to be a good opponent in many discussions we've had. That had earned you my respect, regardless of whether you care about it or not."

*sigh* I usually laugha t the internet; but this makes me laugh and shake my head. First off, I didn't have 'better days'. Stop with the bullshit nostalgia. And, the 'you used to be cool/have my respect/good' stuff is just plain retarded. I've heard that at least 100 times on the net. I've thankfully only heard that ONCE in my real life. It's beyond silly.

That's the kind of asanine comment that pushes me to get banned so I wouldn't have to shake my head no more.

Anyways, your call. But, ehy, I know it's ok for you to call othgers fanboys; but lo and behold otehrs call you out on yours. I do find it nfunny that you seem to be able to ignore the calls of fanboyism when it come sto Troika or FO; but it seems to bother you when its G3. Perhaps, its shame you feel for sucking its cock?

Hmmm..

 

[Claw]

Clearly a nextGenâ„¢ review. The reviewer doesn't understand that he has to turn of the Depth-of-Field effect manually if he doesn't like it.

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean:

although the lack of menu option to better handle the tedious "select line of text, then say it, then click to stop saying it and move on" didn't add to the experience

Also, he clearly hasn't even played the game long enough to reach Cape Dun, as by then he really ought to have realized why Orcs don't attack on sight. I mean, even though he is a colossal idiot, orcs and humans standing next to each other in a town should've been a dead giveaway.
But maybe the concept of orcs that aren't just there to be slaughtered is just too much for his fragile mind.

 

[Rosh]

There is also very little sense of the world existing around you. Unfairly again perhaps, Oblivion gave you a sense that if you weren't there things would still happen - it was a living breathing world.

So, a living, breathing world consists of people staring at walls for hours on end?

(Insert obligatory stacked corpses serving as British porn remark here.)

If the RPG elements are your main requirement, the management of your skills, abilities and inventory, then this game is as good as any other, perhaps.

Yet another idiot who doesn't have any understanding that stats and skills do not make a CRPG, as every genre has stats, skills, and levels. No wonder chimps like this think Oblivion is better, when the game decides the story path for them, and apparently writes their reviews for them as well.

NPCs. Sigh. I've patched the game. Yet I can still walk very very close to a gaggle of Orcs without them doing anything to me. Perhaps I've discovered an invisibility item? No. Perhaps I'm creeping? No. Then what is going on? Was the AI built to only kick in when combat starts? How come within a few minutes of leaving the starting village I'm fleeing like a girl from a pack of wolves that have somehow detected me (if I remember correctly, it was many hours ago, and my will to remember is fading rapidly), and yet I can approach Orcs and have any sense of dread or fear of them be lost completely because they're just so dumb?

Or, it might be due to the reviewer being so unbelievably British Inbred, they have no hope of being able to discern the setting and background story? Oh, yeah, compared to the Radiant AI, setting and background story were quite optional in Oblivion.

 

[suibhne]

Vollie, if you want to play G3 and offer a (logically-supported) second opinion, maybe VD would post it as a counterpoint. I'd certainly support that. Heck, if you even read the reviews in question and rationally defended them as fine products of gaming journalism, that would be a start. The problem is, you keep embracing total illogic ("FANBOI SUX G3 DIX LOLOLOLLIPOP") in response to rational critiques of (pretty stupid) reviews.

The quotation VD singled out is pretty damn funny, because the point of the game is that the Orcs aren't all hostile - no more so than the humans. Substitute "humans" for "orcs" in that paragraph and you'll realize just how rock-dumb it is.

VD's review of G3 might not be the be-all and end-all, but it's far more supported than the tripe we're discussing right now. I'm sure someone could write an equally-strong review criticizing the game, but I haven't seen it yet.

 

[Volourn]

I've downloaded the demo which finally worked. I have not criticized G3 relaly. I've criticized VD's fanboyism of the game. This review in question while likely not 100% accurate wasn't that badly written, imo.

 

[stargelman]

Also, he clearly hasn't even played the game long enough to reach Cape Dun, as by then he really ought to have realized why Orcs don't attack on sight. I mean, even though he is a colossal idiot, orcs and humans standing next to each other in a town should've been a dead giveaway.
But maybe the concept of orcs that aren't just there to be slaughtered is just too much for his fragile mind.

I find that quite remarkable. Because if this was the case, it wouldn't make any sense. After all, according to his own words, his favorite RPG (and I use the term very losely here) is Oblivion, and in that game, Orcs are citizens of the empire, meaning people like everyone else.

Addendum: Hanlon's razor postulates:

Never attribute to mallice that which can be reasonably explained with stupidity

I'm beginning to doubt this is the case here. I've just read the gothic 3 review that handed out a score of 2/10 and it, too, made references to Oblivion as being the far superior game.

Advertizing dollars at work?

 

[Jasede]

Ah, Volourn, esteemed friend...
We don't need another hero....

 

[Rosh]

I've downloaded the demo which finally worked. I have not criticized G3 relaly. I've criticized VD's fanboyism of the game.

Ah, liking a game that actually delivers role-playing, the purpose of this entire site = fanboyism.

Mocking a review that is wholly based upon ignorance and stupidity = fanboyism.

This review in question while likely not 100% accurate wasn't that badly written, imo.

"Steam right in and 'av' it, you filthy Orc scum!"

Considering you're probably as clueless about the game as the reviewer, I'm enjoying a laugh at "wasn't that badly written". Let us know when you've figured out how to play the G3 demo and have developed a bit more of a clue of how utterly idiotic the reviewer sounds.

It would be one thing to dismiss someone else's opinion (if it were well-founded, which this is not), which would be fanboyism, but to call it fanboyism when outright idiocy is debunked is really stretching it.

Even for you.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Don't make stuff up. That must mean why you always attack me (or others) who like NWN. *shrug*

Which is why I even reinstalled NWN, and played your module, giving you my comments and fedback - because I hate NWN and attack everyone who likes on sight.

Because you like it despite it hsaring the same qualities that agmes you don't like hvae in common with it. In fact, in some cases (bio), these games are actually better in that regard. Very few - if any BIO RPG - are 80% combat. Not even JE an ACTION RPG has that much combat percentage wise.

So? I also like ToEE. A lot. Apples and oranges, Volly. You can't compare Gothic 3 to a game like Fallout and Planescape. It doesn't mean that it's a shitty game though.

Like i said before, I'd rather not be banned...

Then argue like an intelligent person that you fucking are.

Bottom line is I'm not gonna chnage my posting style.

You just did, cupcake. :wink:

Did you play his save file? Perhaps, he had already made the orcs hostile by doing soemthing against them and they still didn't notice him.

Yes, let's give every moron benefit of the doubt. Let's also ignore the context. Clearly, he ran into orcs, expected them to attack him, and when that didn't happen, he sat down and wrote his retarded review, all huffing and puffing.

But, I wnated to 'protect' myself as youa re handy with links and I didn't eant to get caught with you providing a link where you didn't slam some anti G3 reviewer for 'stupidity'.

*sigh* I usually laugha t the internet; but this makes me laugh and shake my head. First off, I didn't have 'better days'.

Lying is wrong, Volly. It's a sin. Look at your first post and look at the angry drivel you usually post lately snapping at people for no reason, just because you can.

That's the kind of asanine comment that pushes me to get banned so I wouldn't have to shake my head no more.

Anyways, your call.

No, the call is yours. Action -> Reaction.

I do find it nfunny that you seem to be able to ignore the calls of fanboyism when it come sto Troika or FO; but it seems to bother you when its G3.

It annoys me too, but I decided to draw the line today.

 

[WittyName]

First two paragraphs = standard Oblivion fellatio. Third paragraph is a complaint about graphics:

here is a blurring effect for the distance and while initially this looks lovely it quickly adds to the sense that you are playing a computer game...

Surprise, you are playing a computer game. Although maybe the graphics in Oblivion were able to provide him with some transcendental out-of-body experience that Gothic 3 does not.

The combat is poor. I'd like to feel like I'm actually fighting things, not triggering a combat animation that once triggered I can't get out of.

He has a point here, at least, from my limited experience with just the demo he does. Not that I found Oblivion's combat any better -- it basically revolved around hit and run/strafe tactics. If the patches have fixed the 'stun-lock' problem then this won't be an issue. The combat system has the potential to be nice it just needs a few tweaks.

Unfairly again perhaps, Oblivion gave you a sense that if you weren't there things would still happen - it was a living breathing world.

I saw a mud crab yesterday...

I wish I could apologise for my apparently harsh views by holding up the fact I'm not a normal RPG fan as an excuse for this rant.

No way!

It's amazing that two of three cons he lists are actually worse in Oblivion than in Gothic.