Review GamePowah hypes KOTOR

[Vault Dweller]

Tags: Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

An Australian site, <a href=http://www.gamepower.com.au>Game Power</a>, decided to show that Australians are not strangers to hype and posted this <a href=http://www.gamepower.com.au/?aid=1863>review</a> of everyone's favourite game, <a href=http://www.bioware.com/games/knights_old_republic>KOTOR</a>, giving it <b>9 out of 10</b> for overall awesomeness.
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<blockquote>The arrival of Knights of the Old Republic may well spell the end of roleplaying games where the player is merely a bystander, jumping through hoops to reveal a pre-determined story. If you've ever enjoyed the Star Wars universe or roleplaying games, and even if you haven't, you can't afford to overlook BioWare's latest masterpiece.
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The combat isn't real-time, although it may appear to be, which means that your characters vital statistics, class, skill set and weapons all matter in a battle – your hand-eye coordination doesn't, and if your statistics aren't a match for your opponent's, no amount of ducking, dodging or blocking will save your skin.</blockquote>
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This is the most creative and dumb explanation of why KOTOR's combat isn't RT evar.
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Spotted at: <A HREF="http://www.gengamers.com">GenGamers</A>

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

The arrival of Knights of the Old Republic may well spell the end of roleplaying games where the player is merely a bystander, jumping through hoops to reveal a pre-determined story.

 

[Otaku_Hanzo]

Yeah, I'm with you RP. That part made me wonder just exactly what fucking CRPGs this guy has played. :shock:

Yet another "let me kiss Bioware's ass" review. Yipee!

 

[Volourn]

Man, and people here like KOTOR? Nope, I think not.

Plus,. did I see it right? This is the 4th straight article that focuses on KOTOR. WOWSERS! It's RPGCodex's fault that BIO games sell so well. You hype them up too much with all the press you give them! :shock:

 

[Spazmo]

Volourn:

1) We liked KotOR, but certainly not for all the reasons given by Joe Reviewer. Every review I read praises the non-linear gameplay that isn't there, the thrilling combat that isn't there and, perhaps just to piss people with a clue off, proves to have no idea what the difference between real time and turn based is.

2) As for all the press we give KotOR... I figure just ignoring something because you don't like it is childish. We don't cover console or online "RPGs" because that's not what the site is about. But if a game comes out on PC and can make a credible claim to either RPG or action RPG status, we'll cover it.

Don't make me send you gay porn, Vollie.

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

Someone really needs to get these reviewers rounded up and explain to them what real time is. It's not that hard of a concept here. If the flow of time in the game is equal to the flow of time in reality, it's real time.

 

[Volourn]

Spaz: 1. Yes; but if you guys supposedly like it; when was the last time something positive about the game was said. I mean, talk about KOTOR basically centers on "retarded" reviewers, or the crappy parts. And, yes, there are thinsg I hate about KOTOR as well and complain about (stupid invetory, crappy controls, etc. etc.); but usually when one likes a game they tend to be positive about it. Heck, i dislike TOEE yet I fear I've said more positive things about that game then you've said about a agem you say you like. Weird..

2. I'm not complaining about giving the press; but to cover every single article on it espciially when all these reveiws basically state the same thing. I just find it silly. I mean until the 2 HOTU artciles 9another BIO game0 were put up; it was four straight KOTOR ones. I mean, surely, there must be other rpgs to cover. Doesnb't have to be a big name one either. That's all.

3. Bring it on. I'm not Visc. I an't gonna whine about it. I'd just erase it off my computer and move on. WOWSERS! Take a couple of seconds, then I can get back to looking at nude boobies!


SP: So true, so true.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Yes; but if you guys supposedly like it; when was the last time something positive about the game was said. I mean, talk about KOTOR basically centers on "retarded" reviewers, or the crappy parts.

Well, considering that most reviews are retarded one way or another for various reasons, and that everybody and their fucking dog wanted to post a review of KOTOR, we have no choice but to bring all that garbage to your attention to show how objective we are :D. If you want to hear something good about KOTOR, start a thread called "The positive aspects of KOTOR" and I'll post something nice there. It's hard to post something positive like "despite being a dumbass the reviewer managed to make some sense in rows 4, 12, and 37"

And, yes, there are thinsg I hate about KOTOR as well and complain about (stupid invetory, crappy controls, etc. etc.); but usually when one likes a game they tend to be positive about it.

Some people like it more, some people like it less. Inventory and controls are the least of the things that bother me. At the top of my list are insufficient number of combat feats, nerfed ranged weapons, poorly implemented Dark Side, uber linearity, and underdeveloped persuasion skill.

I mean, surely, there must be other rpgs to cover. Doesnb't have to be a big name one either. That's all.

Like I said, everyone is too busy reviewing Bio games to review anything else. When we find other reviews we post them here. Don't assume that we only look for Bio reviews to make fun of them. Go and find an RPG review that wasn't posted here. If you can, I'll gladly do that.

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

Someone really needs to get these reviewers rounded up and explain to them what real time is.

Preferably with a basebal bat, or a shock prod.

 

[Spazmo]

1.

Well, KotOR is funny like that. BioWare did lots of things wrong, but it still turns out fun. Go figure.

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We can't help it if KotOR reviews are what's being posted right now. We post what's out there.

3.

Well now that was just a joke, so relax and just go or something,

 

[Otaku_Hanzo]

Volourn, while I liked KOTOR, I don't think it's the BESTEST CRPG EVAH!!!!1! and I never once said that in my appraisings of the game. Alot of the reviews for the game out there are just plain idiotic on their stances with the TB/RT thing, plus the heaps of praises they give the game for supposed innovations that it's brought to CRPGs which just aren't there or were done by other CRPGs in the past first. I would hope that even you could see that.

 

[Volourn]

Wheeeeeeeeeeee....... One "innocent" (or was it three? ) comemnts and I get a trifacta "attack" on me. It's all fun and games. Heh. :D


VD: 1. Actually, i find all reviews interetsing reads; nothing more. Not one review has ever convinced me to buy or not buy a game. Funny thing is fellow posters have (sometimes to my chagrin). Reviews shoudln't be worried about whether they are positive or negative toward's one's favorite games as they all screw up stuff. You guys take them way too seriously, imo, which is why you spend your time making fun of them (admittiedly in many cases it may be "warranted"; but it is never "worth it").
I'm also not gonna start a thread about KOTOR as the game is in the past. It's been out for more than 6 months, and has been out for 3 months on PC. I'll still disucss it; but ti doesn't warrant my direct attention anymore.

2. So... what exactly do you like as I recall you are oen of those who bash its npcs as well... Not much left to cheer on, is there?

3. I'm not doing your job. I'm just a lowly member; not an all pwoerful staffer here at RpgCodex Inc. As for other reviews of other games; it's a very sad take if the only thing worthwile news posts on a site basiclaly didictaed to bashing them are Bio games. Weird...



Spazmo: 1. That's true.

2. Like i told VD, it's a sad day in internet Geek Land if that's all that's newsworthy here.

3. I know it';s a joke. that's why I'm laughing.


Otaku: I don't think it's the "bestest crpg ever' either. The point? For instance, I remmeber when KOTOR was just an x-box game and many of us including me hadn't played it; but you wer eone of the few who did. You loved it; and now all I read from you are pretty much negative comments about the game. It seems that you've basically let the others' convicne you that it pretty much sucks; but it was fun kinda of mentality. Weird..

As for the reviews, like I said, they aren't worth all the trouble. You guys 'stress" out (I don't mean that you guys are like "OMG the world's apart" stress); but more like giving them too much attention - way more than they're worth.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Wheeeeeeeeeeee....... One "innocent" (or was it three? ) comemnts and I get a trifacta "attack" on me. It's all fun and games. Heh. :D

Innocent comment? From you? Ha!

Actually, i find all reviews interetsing reads; nothing more... Reviews shoudln't be worried about whether they are positive or negative toward's one's favorite games as they all screw up stuff. You guys take them way too seriously...

We don't. I don't care if a review is positive or negative, all I ask for are straight facts and opinions based on actual gameplay vs a press-release.

So... what exactly do you like as I recall you are oen of those who bash its npcs as well... Not much left to cheer on, is there?

I like some npcs (the assasin robot and the old guy), I like some quests, I like some elements of the DS, overall I like the promise of things to come both from Bio and KOTOR 2. KOTOR came very close to being a great game. All that needed to be fixed were more classes, more feats, more distinctive dark path (we discussed that before, and I gave some examples how some quests could have been tweaked), improved ranged weapons, and class/skill based quests solutions (a high security skill should have unlocked the military base without the droid), etc.

 

[Volourn]

 

[Otaku_Hanzo]

Otaku: I don't think it's the "bestest crpg ever' either. The point? For instance, I remmeber when KOTOR was just an x-box game and many of us including me hadn't played it; but you wer eone of the few who did. You loved it; and now all I read from you are pretty much negative comments about the game. It seems that you've basically let the others' convicne you that it pretty much sucks; but it was fun kinda of mentality. Weird..

Once again you have misconstrued what I have previously stated time and time again. When I came on here talking about KOTOR, I was working on my second time through the game. After a third, I started to see the crap underneath and just how NOT non-linear the game was. I still think the game is great, but it doesn't deserve the accolades that it gets from most of the reviewers out there. And if you would bother to pay attention to the things I post, I am talking about the moronity of reviewers and not the game itself with the exception of pointing out the flubs of said reviewers when heaping praises on the game. No one "conformed" me into not liking the game. There is no conspiracy theory going on here. It's simply I played it enough to get tired of it. Hell, alot of the problems they list for the PC version I never even encountered on the Xbox version with the exception of how linear the game truly is.