Community Bethesda developer on the FO fans reaction

[Vault Dweller]

Tags: Bethesda Softworks; Fallout 3

Saw that at <a href=http://www.nma-fallout.com>NMA</a>. There is a <a href=http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=ed5ecf9d7f64ad61508247a5a3f2d87c&threadid=1127662&perpage=40&pagenumber=1>thread</a> at <a href=http://www.somethingawful.com/>Something Awful</a> about <b>Fallout 3</b> where a fella named HayT, who, according to <a href=http://www.nma-fallout.com>NMA</a>, is one of the developers, expressed his opinion on the reaction of the Fallout fans.
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<blockquote>Hardcore Fallout fans are already registering accounts on the Elder Scrolls forums for the sole purpose of telling us how much we suck, and that this is the worst decision in the history of the industry. Hooray!
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I felt a little guilty posting this, knowing that ropekid was going to see it. I certainly understand his frustration, and I hope that we don't let him down.
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To the folks asking us to not make Fallout just like Morrowind:
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Gee, thanks. We never would've thought of that, had you not mentioned it. I was already writing up design docs that included entire plot lines about cliffracers; I guess maybe now I'll get rid of those, thanks to your quick thinking.
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I am desperately trying to keep up with everything being posted here, on the official forums, NMA, and a few other places. (I stopped reading RPG codex because it made my head hurt.)
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I also need to find time to play through Fallout 2 now, which is a game I never got to. Don't know when the hell that's going to happen, as I'm a little behind on work as it is.
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Edit: personal thought - I find it fascinating that so many people simply assume we're going to re-texture Morrowind, change a few lines of dialogue, and release a new game. Aside from the fact that I've already said we recognize that the Fallout world is one QUITE different from the Elder Scrolls, I know all too well where Morrowind fell short, and I assure you that we're quite capable of learning from it.
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Yeah, you'd think the Gamespot interview would've calmed them down some, but now they're more angry than ever. NERD RAGE!</blockquote>Friendly fella, aint he? Please note that he said "I know where MW fell short" instead of reassuring folks that it will be a completely different (isometric and TB) game. NERD RAGE!!!!!

 

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for fucks sake, give the guys a chance.

 

[Vault Dweller]

What chance? To make FPS RT Fallout? Btw, did they give us a chance? Let me post it again:

Hardcore Fallout fans are already registering accounts on the Elder Scrolls forums for the sole purpose of telling us how much we suck

 

[Jarinor]

Put it this way - a company with no experience in making a quality role-playing game has just bought the rights to the best role-playing game series. Everything Fallout has done right, they have done wrong, or not at all. The only positives in this are possibilities, such as them possibly not having publisher interference, being able to take their time, etc. In other words, nothing other companies don't have (and I'm aware that only applies to a few companies rich enough).

Edit - Quoted from PA:

For the same reason that I can muster enthusiasm for Half-Life 2 though I know fuck all regarding anything about it, Fallout 3 can receive the same treatment, and for the same reason - I have faith that, like Morrowind, potent content creation tools will come along with, or shortly thereafter. There is always (to my mind) a sort of challenge implicit in distributing the suite involved in creating a game, and I want desperately to know who would rise to the occasion and precisely what would result from it. Could the High Council of Fallout Forum Purists deliver the sequel they always dreamed of? I'm curious.

An interesting viewpoint on the subject. I particularly like the phrase "High Council of Fallout Forum Purists".

 

[POOPERSCOOPER]

The guy is a fucking retard he thinks were talking about the story line and bullshit, maybe someone should mention to him that were talking about TEH GAMEPLAY. All they've done are FP explore games so we kinda have the right to be skeptic about how that will transfer to Fallout. I bet they think that non-linear means LOL GO ANYHWAHERE like morrowind, so get ready to explore a huge wasteland CAUSE IT BE NON LINEAR UBER RPG GAME.

 

[Transcendent One]

The fanbase hates the dev and doesn't want the game being developed by them. The dev now lashes back out at the fanbase, the very people who they are developing for.

I still don't see how this will work. The idea was doomed to failure the very day someone pulled it out of his unwashed ass.

 

[tilting_msh]

The dev now lashes back out at the fanbase, the very people who they are developing for.

The way I see it, he lashed out at a very obsessive, angry, childish portion of the fanbase, not the entire Falllout fanbase as a whole. I would think most Fallout fans are willing to give Bethesda a chance.

 

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so whats the alternative right now? Continue this vicious circle and doom fallout 3 from the get go?

I mean, jesus, instead of taking a combative stance with Bethesda and pretty much ensuring that anything you say will be ignored, why not hold yer peace until you start hearing actual design information?

i work in the games industry and i hate to say it but the folks who make games are human too. If they start a project and the first thing they see on the forums "Fuck them, they suxx0r!!!111" they simply don't go back to that forum. If it's on there own forums, then they just ignore those threads.

Who would want to deal with that kind of shit? honestly?

So, if you want to alienate the devs, then by all means keep rolling.

But if you want to have a voice and be heard by them, then just hold the attacks till after you've seen justification for them

 

[Greenskin13]

(I stopped reading RPG codex because it made my head hurt.)

We should get a Surgeon General's warning up here.

 

[POOPERSCOOPER]

Its only been a couple days since the announcement and now hes doing a cartsen, what a fagget.

 

[plin]

It's not his fault the fanbase are being jackasses. Just listen to yourselves. You all deserve a spanking (or a shitty game haha).

 

[plin]

The fanbase hates the dev and doesn't want the game being developed by them. The dev now lashes back out at the fanbase, the very people who they are developing for.

I still don't see how this will work. The idea was doomed to failure the very day someone pulled it out of his unwashed ass.

Not really, you guys (not you per say, the asshole fans) doomed it with all your over-reaction bullshit.

You guys get so butt-hurt easily it's not even funny. The FO fans are a bunch o pussies.

 

[plin]

What chance? To make FPS RT Fallout? Btw, did they give us a chance? Let me post it again:

Hardcore Fallout fans are already registering accounts on the Elder Scrolls forums for the sole purpose of telling us how much we suck

OH NO, He'S TELllLING THE TRrRRUTH. Fucking shite, listen to yourselves sometime. You (all my 'you's are towards the asshole fans who can't level with anything or accept anything) guys deserve so much more than a mild little hand-slap he gave you. Honestly, I hope FO3 DOES turn to shit because of some fanbase. Get your heads out of your asses and think clearly and rationally for one fucking second.

 

[plin]

edit: oops, nothing to see here

 

[Transcendent One]

The fanbase hates the dev and doesn't want the game being developed by them. The dev now lashes back out at the fanbase, the very people who they are developing for.

I still don't see how this will work. The idea was doomed to failure the very day someone pulled it out of his unwashed ass.

Not really, you guys (not you per say, the asshole fans) doomed it with all your over-reaction bullshit.

You guys get so butt-hurt easily it's not even funny. The FO fans are a bunch o pussies.

No, it was doomed with the haphazard way it was announced. Bethesda didn't have its shit together, they have no idea on even the most basic stuff as shown in the interviews, and they pop out of the woodwork with "LOOKA AT AS WE ARE DA NEW UBAR OWNAHS OF FALL OUT LOLOLOL!!!".

Clearly stuff like that will just piss people off.

 

[plin]

And one more post. He didn't say that because of people worried about what they will make the game, he and I bet the rest of the devs appreciate the input, it's just the little jackasses who already say the game will be shit and Beth is shit before anything has happened. So just calm down, tell em what you want in a civil manner, and everything will be a-ok.

So don't take this as a personal thing if you haven't been jackasses towards them, because it's not about the whole fanbase.

 

[Briosafreak]

Based on the fact that I had to keep this secret, you can trust that even if I knew any details on the project, I wouldn't really be able to talk about them. I imagine at some point, we're going to be doing some hiring. I also imagine a lot of decisions are going to be made - some of which I have no doubt will piss people off.

Piss people off? Even more after he declared war on TEH SUPERNERDS? After he saw these posts:

-Can someone explain why there is still a Fallout community and why it appears to be full of some of the most pessimistic, xenophobic, and generally fanatical people ever?
-After calming down and actually reading the thread, I have to say I don't care about perspective, and I don't care about the combat system, as long as I can once again roam post-apocalyptic America in a TRUE, story-driven RPG.
-That's easy: All of the normal people are no longer a part of the "Fallout Community", they're just fans of the games. The people who are a part of the "Fallout Community" have been refined and distilled over time into glittering gems of hatred.
-I'm sure the project is in capable hands and I'm curious to see how this comes out. I can't wait to see the setting (like does this take place during/after/shortly after the epilogue of Fallout 2 or Fallout:BOS). WIll there be Reavers or the Calculator's Robots at all... that kind of thing.
I can't wait to take up my old mantle of the "charismatic pussy who can barely hold a gun".

he congratulated evryone and said he was going to show them in the office later. Really.

Does he know what he started here? Not even Chuck Cuevas was dumb enough to do this.

The internet is indeed an amazing place.
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[plin]

umm, he started? ...right

Anyways, what does this mean: " he was going to show them in the office later"

I don't understand.

 

[Nightjed]

(I stopped reading RPG codex because it made my head hurt.)

We should get a Surgeon General's warning up here.

ive seen really funny google adds in rpgcodex, from "help brain tumor patients" to "addiction treatment"

Hardcore Fallout fans are already registering accounts on the Elder Scrolls forums for the sole purpose of telling us how much we suck, and that this is the worst decision in the history of the industry. Hooray!

Maybe if they would answer basic questions like "is it going to be fps or isometric" and "are you going to make a game or toilet paper" with anything other than "its too early to say" fans might be a bit calmer, plus the first and only word they've said about the subject was "consoles" and thats taboo for pc rpg gamers.
They licensed fallout for every system and lots of sequels and they have no idea what the hell they are going to do with it

 

[4too]

Time to Move On

Time to Move On

So perhaps all sides of this love triangle need to move on to the next chapter.

Maybe we can title it "Put Up Or Shut Up" .

The fans with a cross to bare or an ax to grind could stop diss'ing Bethesda products in general and only critque actual Bethesda game play minutia. And start cataloging all the great stuff in FO that may or may not make the cut, when the new team starts.

Waiting for FO3-B, (3 years?), to go 'gold' , with shining trailers of glory, maybe years too late to responsibily express an opinion.


The dev's can keep working on their projects and catching up on their FO homework.
And show some 'team' discipline by no leaks, and even finding a neutral, secret place to vent, because when some thing hits the emotional soft spot, it's school yard rulz, you always get 2 more for flinching. So make that "game face" - a "poker face".

Some bright spark has been talking about taking a "chill pill' , but I think that states of denial will not raise the consciousness of these groups. Alternate states are necessary to transcend this difficult time of getting to know one another.

The rest of us can pool our pharacuticals and send the proper inducers for self esteem and performance enhancement to those in need of self medication.

Because of my limited chemical experience, I elect RPG Codex as a canidate for the stock pile and Quality Assurance repository of extasy, speed, and viagra.

Thank you all for your suspended disbelief as I have striven to misdirect the tired and rashly irratated, and your magnamimous contributions are not tax deductable so no messy record keeping is necessary.


4too

 

[plin]

The fanbase hates the dev and doesn't want the game being developed by them. The dev now lashes back out at the fanbase, the very people who they are developing for.

I still don't see how this will work. The idea was doomed to failure the very day someone pulled it out of his unwashed ass.

Not really, you guys (not you per say, the asshole fans) doomed it with all your over-reaction bullshit.

You guys get so butt-hurt easily it's not even funny. The FO fans are a bunch o pussies.

No, it was doomed with the haphazard way it was announced. Bethesda didn't have its shit together, they have no idea on even the most basic stuff as shown in the interviews, and they pop out of the woodwork with "LOOKA AT AS WE ARE DA NEW UBAR OWNAHS OF FALL OUT LOLOLOL!!!".

Clearly stuff like that will just piss people off.

It was a business anouncment. They're in fucking pre-production. It's not their fault some fans get pissed off over rediculous things like this. They aren't talking now, period. The game sites contacted them! The PR guy does his job and gives vague answers to questions he can't answer yet. Then a dev comes out and said "It's all 100% speculation, we don't have anything decided". And you (whatever fans) throw a shit storm.
The pessimism, the insults, the conslusion jumping is so fucking rediculous.

Actually, nothing is doomed except for the stupid fan's disposition.

 

[Walks with the Snails]

Yeah, it's kind of odd sometimes. I think the legend of the Fallout fanatics has finally outstripped the reality. You walk in expecting to see something, you antagonize everyone, you get hit back, then you chuckle that's what you expected all along. Well, no shit. It's the same thing we see every 2 weeks when some dimwit who heard from some dude at some forum somewhere that everyone at RPG Codex is just an unjustifiable asshole and then for whatever reason comes here loaded for bear thinking he's the shit, flames everyone without provocation, then wonders innocently why he's not well-received. Kind of like plin here now griping at everyone for being childish when 90% of his posts from the past few days have just been rather mindless 1-liners calling everyone idiots. You could disappear and the quality of the discussion wouldn't really go down much. Nice hypocrisy there, not that we're not used to that. This whole mess would probably have calmed down long ago if it weren't for the constant egging on like that.

And they have said a few things that would give one a bit of pause "we're sticking with what we know best, this isn't going to be isometric, etc." Just what is anyone supposed to think of that? In the absence of news, this whole tempest in a teapot will die off soon anyway, but why is it not legitimate to comment on what's been said so far?

 

[Briosafreak]

umm, he started? ...right

Anyways, what does this mean: " he was going to show them in the office later"

I don't understand.

The posts, stupid, the posts from SA.

 

[Sarkile]

Wouldn't a better business decision be having a clue about what you're going to do with a game when you buy the license? If they can't even tell us if it'll use SPECIAL or not they're doing something wrong.

 

[Seven]

umm, he started? ...right

Anyways, what does this mean: " he was going to show them in the office later"

I don't understand.

You're a fucking idiot if you don't understand. You've got the nerve to defend this jackass, and now you're asking for clarification.