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Gamasutra has a rather lengthy article an article on women in video games. Some excerpts:

I like boobs and butts as much as the next hot-blooded heterosexual male. They're just about the most aesthetically pleasing configurations of fat and muscle you can find on a person, and I am far from being immune to their charms. But women are a lot more than boobs and butts. That may seem obvious, but the game industry and its fans are demonstrating their ignorance of that fact time and time again.

 If you haven't been keeping up with the [Hitman] franchise, a recent trailer for the game got the internet up in arms, as it depicted sexy dominatrix nuns being violently dispatched by the protagonist Agent 47. Blystad is a nice, well-meaning man that simply doesn't understand why anyone is mad about the trailer for his game. This is actually a very large part of the problem. 

if you were going to assassinate someone, would you wear the tightest thing possible? Would you expose your breasts to the world, essentially creating a target for a bullet? Probably not.

But I'm not stupid -- I know why we put ladies in these ridiculous costumes, and I know why Blystad doesn't get what the problem is. It's because we, the people making the decisions on these games, are largely men, largely heterosexual, and as such we like looking at boobs and butts, and we are making this game for others who feel the same way, which is inherently limiting. This is the very definition of the Male Gaze theory, which is at the heart of much of the discussion we're having about women in and around games these days. 

You can read the entire article here.
 

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The actual reason is that most gamers are utter manipulable idiots (sorry, red blooded young males).
 

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if you were going to assassinate someone, would you wear the tightest thing possible?
No, but then again I also wouldn't be wearing a suit with a red tie.

And let's be honest here, we're talking about assassinating people. WHO ASSASSINATES PEOPLE. WHO. WHO. Is anyone here an assassin? No, I didn't think so.

Also I liked the trailer. :smug:
 

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The actual reason is that most gamers are utter manipulable idiots (sorry, red blooded young males).

Another, more important reason is that sex sells. It always has and it always will. Even to some of the women.

I kind of thought that with easy access to porn on teh netz, sex would not need to be depicted so much elsewhere, but apparently this is false.
 

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But women are a lot more than boobs and butts.

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Wrote like an idiot.

I have no problem with those scenes the same way I dont have problem with a lot hollywood action scenes. Artistic licence to twist the inconvenient facts to serve artistic aims.

The whole problem people got with Hitman trailer is because Christians, on the whole, is a easily butthurtable group. And the game devs, unconciously, always want to troll their attentions.

I mean, if they choose the Buddhism nun outfits, there wont be that much problem for sure.

On the detail, precisely because they are about to assassinate someone they should wear tightest sexiest outfits possible. The honey trap is the oldest trick in the book because it's still quite effective.

The only problem I have with the trailer is those assassins fire a RPG while on high heel. Standing tall on high heel. Recoil is a stone cold bitch and they... then again, it falls under the inconvenient fact category.

Overall idiot game reviewer is idiotic. NOthing news. Move along now.
 

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I... liked the article. It was insightful, objective and fair-minded. Above all, it really makes a number of good points about what is wrong in the industry... and how juvenile we - gamers - are, how unmonocled this entertainment usually is.

He overreacted a little bit with Hitman trailer. I mean, stuff like that is pretty common in e.g. Tarantino movies, which may be an aesthetic they went for, for some reason (I am not entirely sure it fits Hitman, though...). Still the rest of the article is fine. :incline:

I hope it'll generate a lot of butthurt. :troll:
 

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Hitman went off the rails a while ago. Not very 'untopically' but there was this:
semi_nude_angels.jpg


Current nun thing seems much worse though, principally because it's so random, though the game may still surprise with some retarded justification.
 

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I... liked the article. It was insightful, objective and fair-minded. Above all, it really makes a number of good points about what is wrong in the industry... and how juvenile we - gamers - are, how unmonocled this entertainment usually is.

He goes a bit overboard with it, though. Girls who play videogames are pretty numerous today, and we are exactly the same as the guys who play videogames: We want to see shirtless hot guys with chocolate abs, nice butts, and well toned arms and legs pulling some ridiculous combat moves that serve no purpose beyond showing off their awesome bod and their awesome attitude.

And I don't really understand the girls who go, like, ohmygosh the horror about it. We sexualize guys just as much as they sexualize girls, big deal: Just go read some of the comments hot guys get on youtube.

Edit: Exhibit A.



"He's hot, imbecile."

"You are sooo yummy."

"Nice and hawt and sweaty."

"I h
ave such a lady boner for this guy."

"You.Are.Freakin'.SEXY. ♥"

"Is it wrong if this guy dancing all shirtless and sweaty got me totally hot?"

/edit

My boyfriend used to play otome videogames he got from me back when we were just friends to know the kind of fantasies and fetishes girls have and use those to score, girls should have the same attitude instead of going bawww about it.
 

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I thought Internet was "up in arms" about that trailer because wtf did it have to do with Hitman franchise.

The video itself was fine, though on the silly side.

And let's be honest here, we're talking about assassinating people. WHO ASSASSINATES PEOPLE. WHO. WHO. Is anyone here an assassin? No, I didn't think so.

Only real assassins are Lithuanians, anyway.
 

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My boyfriend used to play otome videogames he got from me back when we were just friends to know the kind of fantasies and fetishes girls have and use those to score, girls should have the same attitude instead of going bawww about it.
Ok this got me curious, how hit and miss are the fantasies and fetishes in otome videogames?

As to topic, not sure whats the fuss, didnt Saints Row 3 go over the top to, hell add in the playmate DLC.
 

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I... liked the article. It was insightful, objective and fair-minded. Above all, it really makes a number of good points about what is wrong in the industry... and how juvenile we - gamers - are, how unmonocled this entertainment usually is.

He goes a bit overboard with it, though. Girls who play videogames are pretty numerous today, and we are exactly the same as the guys who play videogames: We want to see shirtless hot guys with chocolate abs, nice butts, and well toned arms and legs pulling some ridiculous combat moves that serve no purpose beyond showing off their awesome bod and their awesome attitude.

And I don't really understand the girls who go, like, ohmygosh the horror about it. We sexualize guys just as much as they sexualize girls, big deal: Just go read some of the comments hot guys get on youtube.

I think that he doesn't try to be overly defensive of the fairer gender - in the sense that: "all sexuality in gaming is evil, we should purge it with fire, because it all threatens female self-image". It's more of an attack at pointless pandering to the crowd with really low-brow fan-service which is quite common in gaming. When more than 10% of characters depth comes from butt-shots and the camera paning over cleavage... that's not quite right way to do it IMO. This is really something we can do away with.

Everyone likes to see/play attractive characters but when all the character has is a chest/boob to flash, and little else it really puts the developer's intentions into question. I mean it's fine if the game aims to be a fairly low-brow entertainment with nothing but pandering about for its niche audience. However, when the devs set themselves a lofty goal or continue a well-established non-pulpy franchise (like Hitman), and stoop downs to tasteless pulp, it may signify that they have nothing interesting to tell and they must resort to cheap tricks to hold their audience's attention. And that's pretty low/ Insert a tonne dirty jokes into any novel or pan camera onto butts, cleavages and chests in a film and see how it's quality drops.

Now if such scenes were given proper context e.g. were meant to be erotic as opposed to pornographic that's another matter altogether.

Edit: Exhibit A.


"He's hot, imbecile."

"You are sooo yummy."

"Nice and hawt and sweaty."

"I h
ave such a lady boner for this guy."

"You.Are.Freakin'.SEXY. ♥"

"Is it wrong if this guy dancing all shirtless and sweaty got me totally hot?"
Yes, ladies can be as foul-mouthed and lascivious as gents. And that's fine, by all means. The thing is:
1) It's not proper everywhere - the booth babes controversy and how some guys treat them pretty much illustrates that.​
2) We really don't have to have this kind of pandering in non-niche games - especially AAA titles which are meant to be played by millions of people. I know it pretty much sells most of them, but it speaks a lot about what the developers think of their audience (low-brow entertainment).
 

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It's more of an attack at pointless pandering to the crowd with really low-brow fan-service which is quite common in gaming. When more than 10% of characters depth comes from butt-shots and the camera paning over cleavage... that's not quite right way to do it IMO. This is really something we can do away with.

We can. We can also do away with most other things in gaming, including gaming itself. The point isn't that we can do away with it but whether or not we should: Guys enjoy it and girls enjoy it, and games are about entertainment and enjoyment. What's the point of doing away with it?

Everyone likes to see/play attractive characters but when all the character has is a chest/boob to flash, and little else it really puts the developer's intentions into question.

The developer's intentions are not into question, as everyone knows there's no point to the design choice beyond providing fanservice. What's so wrong about fanservice, then?

However, when the devs set themselves a lofty goal or continue a well-established non-pulpy franchise (like Hitman), and stoop downs to tasteless pulp, it may signify that they have nothing interesting to tell and they must resort to cheap tricks to hold their audience's attention.

You mean the non pulpy franchise about a genetically engineered super assassin killing his genetically engineered super assassin brothers and his creator in a secret laboratory under a mental hospital, with a minigun he carries around like it weights barely more than a box of beer? o_O

And that's pretty low/ Insert a tonne dirty jokes into any novel or pan camera onto butts, cleavages and chests in a film and see how it's quality drops.

Last time I did check videogames were not highbrow shit. They were, you know, videogames, and if I go around assploding the population of a small city worth of enemies into little bloody pieces shit's already lowbrow enough for them to throw all in the unnecesary hot girls and hot guys to make our hormones dance at the rythm of our pewpewpew-ing.

I.E: Dante being shirtless more often than not is completely unnecesary, but man, putting a shirt on him is a waste. :oops:

Now if such scenes were given proper context e.g. were meant to be erotic as opposed to pornographic that's another matter altogether.

What proper context is there for tits and ass? What proper context is there for sweaty naked bishies slaying thousands of demons with their really big swords? o_O

The mere existence of those elements into a game put that game outside the realm of shit were context is important, you are reading way too much into this.

1) It's not proper everywhere - the booth babes controversy and how some guys treat them pretty much illustrates that.

Define "proper." I'm willing to bet most people believe them to be totally proper, and their opinion in the matter, without further argumenting, is as valid as yours.

2) We really don't have to have this kind of pandering in non-niche games - especially AAA titles which are meant to be played by millions of people. I know it pretty much sells most of them, but it speaks a lot about what the developers think of their audience (low-brow entertainment).

Games are lowbrow entertainment, yes. We all know it. You are shooting shit into little chunks of meat, dressing up like a mighty viking warrior and screaming dragons to death, contemplating the profound consequences of moving markers around a hex grid, flying a starship around and genociding the population of a small planet in every other battle, etc. Or playing make-believe about being a lone survivor wandering a post apocaliptic wasteland and shooting giant moles while changing the lives of those your wandering touches.

This isn't suposed to be high art, and both hotness and beauty make everything better by themselves.
 

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Ok this got me curious, how hit and miss are the fantasies and fetishes in otome videogames?

I do not fully understand hit and miss on the context. Would that mean, like, how popular those fantasies and fetishes are among girls? The entire genre exists for no other reason than exploiting the fantasies and fetishes of girls be those romantic, sexual, or conceptual. That's what they are selling, so they are actually pretty good at their job. Not all products are for all markets, but there are both patterns and constants inside every market and general ones that span all, or most, markets.

You can even notice that the archetypes, body language, etc, that those games exploit are the same ones other forms of pop entertainment directed at exploiting fantasies and fetishes and repressed hormones work. I.E: Idol pop groups, etc.
 

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