Interview Accepting Mass Effect as the art it has always been

[DefJam101]

And if PST is art, then The Matrix and Fight Club are art.

What does Fight Club have to do with The Matrix?

Unless you mean the shitty movie.

 

[Gragt]

Because it's art does not mean it's good art, in fact there is a lot of bad art. Take Matrix for exemple...

 

[Truth]

Art.

 

[Texas Red]

Wasn't Fight Club a book? Then ITS ART! PWND PWDN

 

[Gragt]

Did not read it but I heard it was a better book than movie.

 

[Jaime Lannister]

And if PST is art, then The Matrix and Fight Club are art.

What does Fight Club have to do with The Matrix?

Unless you mean the shitty movie.

Yes I do. OK, PST is better than both but none of the above are art.

 

[Texas Red]

And if PST is art, then The Matrix and Fight Club are art.

What does Fight Club have to do with The Matrix?

Unless you mean the shitty movie.

Yes I do. OK, PST is better than both but none of the above are art.

Here we go again. It takes a lot more skill than anything else to craft something the likes of Matrix. Character design, story, the premise etc. all invoke emotions. All gave millions of viewers hours of enjoyment. Art doesn't have to be something a few pretentious, self-deceiving faggots "appreciate", some low quality clown crying shit or whatever.

You throw a peasant in in to Vatican and he, a simple man, will be overwhelmed from the powerful artistry. You throw a peasant to one of those modern international or functionalistic style buildings and he will say "meh". Art has to be acceptable to everyone, like a beautiful, ornamented piece of jewelry made from precious stones and metals, instead of a plastic pin that costs 500 dollars. You see where I'm going with this?

Basically, I'm tired of these fucks with their postmodernism and cubism and simplicity who COMPLETELY destroyed the potential beauty of today's world calling all the shots. No common man will see anything beautiful in their boxy buildings yet its considered as highest form of art.

 

[Gragt]

The premise that art can be fun is just preposterous. There is that belief that art, and especially higher art, must be serious, convoluted and have some hidden symbolism, that art is something deep and have its spring some place even deeper and does not allow for fun to be a factor.

That's just bullshit. Art can be very serious and have low entertainment value, true, but it isn't the norm. Besides making it serious is no ticket to greatness, most art produced that way is just bad or mediocre art but it looks like Academia wants you to believe it is high art not because of the result but because of the motive of the artist, which is once more bullshit.

So yes, art can be fun. And can enlighten you at the same time. Most of the LCD stuff of yesterday, which is usualy discarded as trash, actually becomes the great art of tomorrow. If it is based on archetypes rather than stereotypes, it can simply transcend its time instead of being stuck in it.

Of course there is a lot to look at and there comes the need to separate the trivial from the good or great. Which in itself can be fun.

So yes, Matrix is art, whatever you may say about it. Bad art. It's been a few years now and you can see the movie is not really lasting. The directors tried a style over substance approach, which can be fine but is hard to pull, and messed it up because the style was hardly new and ground-breaking, as for the little of substance it used stereotypes and not archetypes. It could also be worthwile to say something about the kitsch and how the movie is not self-aware of it. Also I imagine that the two other episodes have something to do with the decline of the original movie but even on its own it isn't really stable.

 

[Warden]

Mass Effect: once in 50.000 years a race of robots returns to our galaxy to wipe out every single life form they will find without any reason - just for lulz. and then they rust for another 50.000 just to return and have some lulz again.

this is probably the best backstory bioware has done. evar!

No, excuse me.. the story is much deeper.
Here it goes:
"Every 50,000 years, an ancient machine race invades the galaxy. With ruthless efficiency, the machines wipe out all advanced organic civilization."

http://masseffect.bioware.com/gameinfo/

Yep, would be interesting to see those machines wiping out some inorganic civilisations.. like, I don't know.. chairs and tables.

 

[GeneralSamov]

What about another ancient race of machines?

 

[BearBomber]

"Every 50,000 years, an ancient machine race invades the galaxy. With ruthless efficiency, the machines wipe out all advanced organic civilization."

>>>WTF is that? Combination of WH40K Chaos and Necrons?

 

[MountainWest]

Did not read it but I heard it was a better book than movie.

How revolutionary.

 

[-Pavlos-]

this is probably the best backstory bioware has done. evar!

Frankly, I thought NWN's Hero Academy beggars anything in BioWare's later works.

 

[MetalCraze]

this is probably the best backstory bioware has done. evar!

Frankly, I thought NWN's Hero Academy beggars anything in BioWare's later works.

more like using the same idea again. I remembered that in NWN OC they also used this trick - only it was an ancient race of lizards that wanted to come back and wipe everyone out for no apparent reason.

 

[BearBomber]

more like using the same idea again. I remembered that in NWN OC they also used this trick - only it was an ancient race of lizards that wanted to come back and wipe everyone out for no apparent reason.

>>>They wanted to change world into the jungle in order to ressurect their lizard-empire.

 

[Volourn]

"only it was an ancient race of lizards that wanted to come back and wipe everyone out for no apparent reason."

Lie. You obviously are retarded, and din't udnerstand the Lizard Queen's goals, or her motival, or her viewpoint. Dumbass.

 

[Jaime Lannister]

This is getting pretty tl;dr but if you call The Matrix art you have to call every action movie art. I guess Die Hard 2: Die Harder is art now.

 

[Jaime Lannister]

more like using the same idea again. I remembered that in NWN OC they also used this trick - only it was an ancient race of lizards that wanted to come back and wipe everyone out for no apparent reason.

>>>They wanted to change world into the jungle in order to ressurect their lizard-empire.

They wanted to present humans for show-and-tell.

 

[Gragt]

This is getting pretty tl;dr but if you call The Matrix art you have to call every action movie art. I guess Die Hard 2: Die Harder is art now.

Of course it is.

 

[tunguska]

A Man From Earth is art

Hmmm. That looks kinda interesting. Must find torrent.

Yeah. I would say PS:T was art. It was thoughtful and creative. It gave me goosebumps and damp eyes in a few spots. I think it transcended what we normally think of as a computer game. But I guess all of this depends on pinning down exactly what "Art" means. Good ruck. I did like The Matrix. I would say it is also art. I mean certain aspects were kind of dumb, but on the whole it was a very clever idea. All the sequels were unnecessary though. Never saw them. I preferred to just read about how bad they were.

[Can people stop posting so many MEPC spoilers? Some of us haven't played the game yet. Could you at least hide the spoilers or something?]

 

[MetalCraze]

Lie. You obviously are retarded, and din't udnerstand the Lizard Queen's goals, or her motival, or her viewpoint. Dumbass.

I tried to understand but all that was there is typical "I'm coming to wipe you all out and rule the world/galaxy/universe/plane muahahaha". well at least Queen had that "I want to rule" generic reason.

unlike robots in Mass Effect.
"we're wiping you all out because... ah fuck it"

so what is it - NWN's story > ME's story?

 

[Trash]

Working in an Art Academy I can defenitely assure you that almost anything can pass for art these days. It just depends on the mood and criteria of the critics.

And believe me, these two are as prone to change as the weather.

 

[FeelTheRads]

and din't udnerstand the Lizard Queen's goals, or her motival, or her viewpoint.

Ahahahaha...
fuck if I cared either way. That must have been on the most boring and at the same time annoying characters I've ever encountered. Plus, the voice acting was beyond atrocious - so, we have some pretty regular talking, which at completely inopportune moments is stopped by some "ssssssss" to remind you you're actually speaking with a lizard. Ahahaha, I <3 Bioware!

 

[yellowcake]

And if PST is art, then The Matrix and Fight Club are art.

What does Fight Club have to do with The Matrix?

Unless you mean the shitty movie.

Yes I do. OK, PST is better than both but none of the above are art.

Here we go again. It takes a lot more skill than anything else to craft something the likes of Matrix. Character design, story, the premise etc. all invoke emotions. All gave millions of viewers hours of enjoyment. Art doesn't have to be something a few pretentious, self-deceiving faggots "appreciate", some low quality clown crying shit or whatever.

You throw a peasant in in to Vatican and he, a simple man, will be overwhelmed from the powerful artistry. You throw a peasant to one of those modern international or functionalistic style buildings and he will say "meh". Art has to be acceptable to everyone, like a beautiful, ornamented piece of jewelry made from precious stones and metals, instead of a plastic pin that costs 500 dollars. You see where I'm going with this?

Basically, I'm tired of these fucks with their postmodernism and cubism and simplicity who COMPLETELY destroyed the potential beauty of today's world calling all the shots. No common man will see anything beautiful in their boxy buildings yet its considered as highest form of art.

I must admit i enjoyed your post, but only up to it's last sentence. "their boxy buildings" are like arcanum. they are appreciated by few sophisticaded enough.

edit: geez. how lame. it appears that i'm not sophisticaDED enough.

 

[Brother None]

I must admit i enjoyed your post, but only up to it's last sentence. "their boxy buildings" are like arcanum. they are appreciated by few sophisticaded enough.

Heck no.

Cubism is more comparable to Execution or Passage.

Because such games are only appreciable if you get the idea and the intent, they're not enjoyable for what they are without any underlying thoughts. Arcanum is. Cubism is also not enjoyable to anyone who does not get the underlying motives (like me).