Eternity Avowed Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Butter]

Tyranny is bad,

Bizarre opinion, mind explaining how Tyranny is bad?

They deliberately carved out features to sell as DLC, such as random encounters and companion quests. Then they only bothered to make companion quests for 3 of the 6 companions in the game.

Much of the game's writing is 14-year old edgelord stuff (e.g. the entire Scarlet Chorus, Bleden Mark), and it's just cringe.

It uses the same boring attributes as Pillars of Eternity, but makes it comically worse. The scaling is linear, but if you want to increase an attribute above 18 (you get an extra attribute point each level), it costs double. There's no reason to do this, so all characters just end up with 18s across the board, making the whole thing feel pointless.

The entire item progression is shit. You never have to choose between two items that have pros and cons. You will just regularly stumble upon things are that objectively better in all aspects than your current gear, so you upgrade.

The game is obviously and woefully incomplete. There is a single dungeon (the Oldwalls) that gets repeated multiple times. IIRC, there's only one non-humanoid enemy type in the game.

The game is woke as hell. It has nonsense like women being the property owners in a pseudo-Bronze Age setting, and women being frontline fighters in the Scarlet Chorus (and of course, being the most badass fighters of them all).

 

[normie]

"avowed" is actually onomatopoeia for the sound of a dick entering a man's mouth
the more you know

It's weird that you make that sound, I'd have imagined it'd be more akin to something like "glug-glug".

Spoiler

You can't keep setting yourself up like that dude

yes, you would *imagine* it, despite agreed upon onomatopoeic conventions having nothing to do with how any particular one sounds doing anything, and that not being the joke
of all the people, you would be the one to get cross with inaccurate portrayals of dick sucking, your livelihood

 

[Sweeper]

of all the people, you would be the one to get cross with inaccurate portrayals of dick sucking, your livelihood

I mean, that's okay I guess, but I was expecting something better.

 

[normie]

of all the people, you would be the one to get cross with inaccurate portrayals of dick sucking, your livelihood

I mean, that's okay I guess, but I was expecting something better.

you weren't, you're the sort of water head that thinks calling someone a faggot in conversation is something that will endear you to them, because you've seen people in movies do it
go away, you're too autistic to operate

 

[Sweeper]

of all the people, you would be the one to get cross with inaccurate portrayals of dick sucking, your livelihood

I mean, that's okay I guess, but I was expecting something better.

you weren't, you're the sort of water head that thinks calling someone a faggot in conversation is something that will endear you to them, because you've seen people in movies do it
go away, you're too autistic to operate

In your case it ain't about endearment, you're just a fag normie.
It is what it is.

 

[SayMyName]

I encountered several bugs in the base game, not the DLC

I'm curious about which kind of bugs you encountered in the base game.

Much of the game's writing is 14-year old edgelord stuff (e.g. the entire Scarlet Chorus, Bleden Mark), and it's just cringe.

It isn't, the Scarlet Chorus are an army of stragglers and forcefully conscripted PoWs, the competitive and constant fighting to improve miserable conditions and the need to break new recruits and putting ex comradea one against the other are what ironically hold them together as opposed to espirit du corps.
It's not that just because it's grim, it's automatically edgelord shit. If nepotism, bullying and abuse pf power weren't a constant thing the Scarlet Chorus wouldn't hold.

It uses the same boring attributes as Pillars of Eternity, but makes it comically worse. The scaling is linear

It isn't linear inherently because it's incrementals to a multiplier, so investing each point yields progressively more, but without pushing players into min-maxing. But CRPGs players get offended when a game isn't trying to be a dnd 3.5 copycat, now with waifubait shit.

but if you want to increase an attribute above 18 (you get an extra attribute point each level), it costs double.

You mean the stage in which you require 3 or 4 points in other systems?

They deliberately carved out features to sell as DLC, such as random encounters and companion quests. Then they only bothered to make companion quests for 3 of the 6 companions in the game.

Obsidian are by far the least money grubbing CRPG company today. Compare it with Owlcat or Larian stuff and I doubt you can claim Tyranny was overly monetized without making clear you have a negative bias.

The entire item progression is shit. You never have to choose between two items that have pros and cons. You will just regularly stumble upon things are that objectively better in all aspects than your current gear, so you upgrade.

Not true at all, the game gives plenty of reason to stick to special weapons that gain improved skills.
The upgrade system also means that a bronze weapon got in early game can be made into a superior weapon and be better than act 3 loot.

The game is obviously and woefully incomplete. There is a single dungeon (the Oldwalls) that gets repeated multiple times. IIRC, there's only one non-humanoid enemy type in the game.

Incomplete games are always the most soulful games

The game is woke as hell. It has nonsense like women being the property owners in a pseudo-Bronze Age setting, and women being frontline fighters in the Scarlet Chorus (and of course, being the most badass fighters of them all).

It's a fantasy setting, who gives a fuck? You can also cave the skull of a Scarlet Chorus girlboss for being smug and her gang will become yours. Is that woke? Grow up

 

[Infinitron]

Obsidian are by far the least money grubbing CRPG company today. Compare it with Owlcat or Larian stuff and I doubt you can claim Tyranny was overly monetized without making clear you have a negative bias.

? Larian is the least moneygrubbing of the studios mentioned here.

 

[Takamori]

I mean Owlcat even with the season pass and dlcs they are still saints compared to whatever unholy fuck they setup in the main market.
Larian they could milk BG3 in a lots of manners, even releasing a expansion and they choose not to and open the game for mods so they are the last guy I would think of money grubbing.
Obsidian my current complaint is the price of the game don't translate well with the quality and contents of their mainline games (Pentiment is fairly priced for what they offered). But this is more a critique on the talent crisis that has been haunting the studio for years now.

 

[SayMyName]

The only reason Larian isn't milking BG3 is that they cancelled the DLC and aren't working for WotC now (Corinne Bush is)

 

[FreeKaner]

I mean Owlcat even with the season pass and dlcs they are still saints compared to whatever unholy fuck they setup in the main market.
Larian they could milk BG3 in a lots of manners, even releasing a expansion and they choose not to and open the game for mods so they are the last guy I would think of money grubbing.
Obsidian my current complaint is the price of the game don't translate well with the quality and contents of their mainline games (Pentiment is fairly priced for what they offered). But this is more a critique on the talent crisis that has been haunting the studio for years now.

Owlcat's business model is a bit faith-based since they release utterly broken games and you are trusting they will fix it while adding extra content for the trouble if you pay them for the DLC. In regards to pricing if Avowed I doubt Obsidian had any say in it, considering the latest push to 70usd as new game price is coming across the industry and Microsoft wants people to be on gamepass instead. So I am assuming it is entirely decided by Microsoft.

 

[Roguey]

The game is woke as hell. It has nonsense like women being the property owners in a pseudo-Bronze Age setting, and women being frontline fighters in the Scarlet Chorus (and of course, being the most badass fighters of them all).

This kind of stuff has been a non-controversial part of sci-fi/fantasy settings for decades.

 

[ArchAngel]

The game is woke as hell. It has nonsense like women being the property owners in a pseudo-Bronze Age setting, and women being frontline fighters in the Scarlet Chorus (and of course, being the most badass fighters of them all).

This kind of stuff has been a non-controversial part of sci-fi/fantasy settings for decades.

And they should be all screaming Queen, slay!! while fighting evil patriarchy in the game!

 

[Nikanuur]

I mean Owlcat even with the season pass and dlcs they are still saints compared to whatever unholy fuck they setup in the main market.
Larian they could milk BG3 in a lots of manners, even releasing a expansion and they choose not to and open the game for mods so they are the last guy I would think of money grubbing.
Obsidian my current complaint is the price of the game don't translate well with the quality and contents of their mainline games (Pentiment is fairly priced for what they offered). But this is more a critique on the talent crisis that has been haunting the studio for years now.

Owlcat's business model is a bit faith-based since they release utterly broken games and you are trusting they will fix it while adding extra content for the trouble if you pay them for the DLC. In regards to pricing if Avowed I doubt Obsidian had any say in it, considering the latest push to 70usd as new game price is coming across the industry and Microsoft wants people to be on gamepass instead. So I am assuming it is entirely decided by Microsoft.

...and also horribly inconsistent with the tropes of the genre it attempts to represent.
The combat, text, and drama are blown out of proportion, while anything related to adventuring itself feels either minimal or outright stumbling.

 

[Sherry]

Hi.

With just a few days remaining until The Living Lands can be fully explored, how about enjoying a few meaty tidbits on the region that you will be able to visit yourself, as well as meet face to face!

Galawain's Tusks

Galawain's Tusks, a volcanic region in the Living Lands, is home to the isolationist Pargrunen dwarves of Solace. Their stronghold, Solace Keep, protects them from deadly creatures—xaurips, giant beetles, and the roaming undead. Few dare venture into Galawain's Tusks, and even fewer return.

Inquisitor Lödwyn

Inquisitor Lödwyn is the leader of the Steel Garrote paladins—commanding with unmatched authority. She fell in the battle in the Deadfire Archipelago and later returned as a death guard. Unyielding and merciless, Lödwyn strikes fear in all who oppose her.

Thanks,
Sherry

 

[FreeKaner]

Hi.

With just a few days remaining until The Living Lands can be fully explored, how about enjoying a few meaty tidbits on the region that you will be able to visit yourself, as well as meet face to face!

Galawain's Tusks

Galawain's Tusks, a volcanic region in the Living Lands, is home to the isolationist Pargrunen dwarves of Solace. Their stronghold, Solace Keep, protects them from deadly creatures—xaurips, giant beetles, and the roaming undead. Few dare venture into Galawain's Tusks, and even fewer return.

Inquisitor Lödwyn

Inquisitor Lödwyn is the leader of the Steel Garrote paladins—commanding with unmatched authority. She fell in the battle in the Deadfire Archipelago and later returned as a death guard. Unyielding and merciless, Lödwyn strikes fear in all who oppose her.

Thanks,
Sherry

Do we know if the inquisitor still has same voice actor, Sherry? She had done a great job in Deadfire to sell not only her character but also Steel Garrote and Woedicans in general as well.

 

[Orange Clock]

Obsidian are by far the least money grubbing CRPG company today. Compare it with Owlcat or Larian stuff and I doubt you can claim Tyranny was overly monetized without making clear you have a negative bias.

? Larian is the least moneygrubbing of the studios mentioned here.

Larian just makes the same unfinished game, which was in the early access for 2-3 years prior, and then after a year, or so, releases the “Definitive Edition” which adds a normal 3rd act and ending.(well, except for DoS3 aka BG3)
Also, should I remind you that they still didn’t implement day/night cycles?

 

[Mortmal]

Tyranny is bad,

Bizarre opinion, mind explaining how Tyranny is bad?

Well first, it's the usual RTWP shit, the system popularized by Warcraft. Then, of course, there's no tactical depth when it comes to those kinds of games. The story is more or less some Black Company fanfic written by a literature student, a not very talented one. And it's very short and hardly memorable.

 

[Morgoth]

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Obsidian's best games were made when they were independent, struggling, and/or under immense time pressure (Kotor 2, F:NV).

"Stability" only brought us slop.

Obsidian's best games were made when another company handed them the engine and assets of a successful game and told them to create a sequel. They've struggled at developing their own engines and game design; except, apparently, for Grounded.

 

[Fedora Master]

The story is more or less some Black Company fanfic written by a literature student

Wasn't aware you could bang Kairos Gyros Kyros

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

Obsidian's best games were made when they were independent, struggling, and/or under immense time pressure (Kotor 2, F:NV).

"Stability" only brought us slop.

Obsidian's best games were made when another company handed them the engine and assets of a successful game and told them to create a sequel. They've struggled at developing their own engines and game design; except, apparently, for Grounded.

Alpha Protocol is still pretty solid. Pretty much the only game that really sells a concept of an interactive movie where you're the main character IMO. Obsidian games were never carried by their gameplay KoTOR 2 is a completely snorefest, Neverwinter Nights 2 is somehow even clinkier than Bioware's original and the main reason why New Vegas feels more fun than Fallout 3 is because there are less combat-heavy sections. The reason is because all their top writers either left or stopped carrying. This has nothing to do with the game engine or their financial situation.

I mean take Neverwinter Nights 2 and Mask of The Betrayer. A completely forgettable slop of a game and an expansionwhich became an instant classic. Same engine, same (bad) gameplay, but night and day difference in writing.

In fact I'd say that Mask of the Betrayer is the final proof that the main reason why western RPGs are struggling is that the quality of writing had detoriated so badly it acutally hurts games rather than help them. Gameplay is clunky and also doesn't provide much challenge, character designs wouldn't look out of place in Avowed, graphics were ok-ish for the time it was released, the world doesn't even pretend to be alive, the game lacks even the most basic NPC routines. And yet it's a good game carried hard by strong character writing, great concept and interesting world. Sure it's just your basic Forgotten Realms but presented from an unique angle. Modern western writers would make Elden Ring into a flop if they were allowed to be responsbile for the narrative.

 

[FreeKaner]

Obsidian's most beautiful games: we haven't seen yet.

 

[Takamori]

Obsidian's best games were made when they were independent, struggling, and/or under immense time pressure (Kotor 2, F:NV).

"Stability" only brought us slop.

Obsidian's best games were made when another company handed them the engine and assets of a successful game and told them to create a sequel. They've struggled at developing their own engines and game design; except, apparently, for Grounded.

If I were to guess they were fans of those IPs like Fallout, Star Wars and so on and they had enthusiasm to work with and had team unity around it. Problem is creating your own IP from scratch its another beast and very abstract who will fall in love with the idea or not. And we saw what happened with PoE 1 and 2, Obsidian lost of a lot people during that time either due to Feargus faggotry or simply demoralized that they didn't land a supreme sucess with the IP and went for other greener pastures.

 

[AlwaysBrotoMen]

RPGCodex still has high hopes on this game. The art style sucks and iam no more interested in pillars universe.

 

[luj1]

Obsidian's most beautiful games: we haven't seen yet.

Pillars is kinda pretty, but it doesn't matter because systems, writing and gameplay are mediocre at best