KickStarter BATTLETECH - turn-based mech combat from Harebrained Schemes

[KoolNoodles]

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When I see people put so many things in the CT (6 med lasers from another screenshot before), all I can think of is "crit padding". There is a good reason why the CT has a special TAC and that you can only put 2 slots worth of items in it (disabling via gyro and engine hits become easier than coring or going nova). This is another HBS fuck up, which necessitated more patching to the changes to balance out.

On that Thunderbolt I only had some ammo and a heat sink. I tend to spread out ammo because ammo explosions can wreck a Mech and cause injury(which not only means the pilot might die later but that they are out of action for a long time).

I've also been playing pretty aggressive so a lot of my mechs get damaged/lose limbs. Better to spread stuff out and still be able to fight with one arm/torso. CT generally gets hit hard, but most of my mechs have been cored from Arm/R-L Torso/CT progression of damage. The AI is usually good about honing in on the already weakened side, at least(and circling around for rear armor shots on heavier mechs).

 

[fantadomat]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you are still butthurt about that shit "Surviving mars" . Well some games are not worth more than a few hours of my life,there is no need to finish a game to know what are its cones and props. Also who the fuck needs tutorial for such simple games?! Oh and i finished both frostpunk and Surviving mars. I must say that i really felt bad for the SV game,after all it was made by Bulgarians and i am kind a nationalist . But the game is not good,even steam reviews agree with me,it is like concept demo.

From my point of view you are doing the strawman magic. You talk about something that is pretty obvious and say that if it is not written black on white,then it is not true. What evidence do you need? A dialogue option that reads something like "Kill all white men because they are authoritarian scourge on our galaxy!"? Get real mate and stop beating around the bush! So are you telling me that YOU don't see any progressive liberal advocacy in this game??? And please don't dodge the question,it is a simple yeas or no one,don't be like glorious reptilian cyborg Zucky.

1. Me using evidence of your poor reading comprehension is not me being "butthurt." Again, you disregard any rational explanation and delve head first into emotions. Typical SJW trait.

2. Yes there is some progressive liberal advocacy in the game, it is made by HBS. The thing is though even though I disagree with stuff, I don't cry and get all emotional about it because I'm not a cuck who cries when he catches feels over politics in a video game.

You are the only one that gets emotional here mate. The rest of us are just having fun shit tossing at the game while letting off some steam. Don't see what is your problem. Also in SV there is not much reading,therefore not much reading comprehension is needed. It is interesting how you actually with my conclusion based on my reading comprehension(that there is sjw bullshit in the game),yet you tell me that i have shit reading comprehension and see things that are not in the game. I am kind off confused here mate,it sounds a little bit like a paradox. Quite the conundrum here,can you give me hand here?

 

[Cael]

On that Thunderbolt I only had some ammo and a heat sink. I tend to spread out ammo because ammo explosions can wreck a Mech and cause injury(which not only means the pilot might die later but that they are out of action for a long time).

I've also been playing pretty aggressive so a lot of my mechs get damaged/lose limbs. Better to spread stuff out and still be able to fight with one arm/torso. CT generally gets hit hard, but most of my mechs have been cored from Arm/R-L Torso/CT progression of damage. The AI is usually good about honing in on the already weakened side, at least(and circling around for rear armor shots on heavier mechs).

I know. In the TT game, it is the same. You can circle around for a profile shot that targets a side, and damage transfers as you say. The trick is to stay at range. As long as possible.

This is why a lance is not a good idea. It is too small a unit to properly do tactics. On TT, I would have the classic Command/Fire/Scout lances set up in a company. The Fire lance are the bruisers and hold the line against the enemy. Heavily armoured, they are better at short range than long, but are still pretty good at all ranges. Command Lance are the long-range specialists, designed to provide fire support for Fire lance and to catch any of the enemy's flankers. Scout lance is the flanker and harasser group, usually the heavier of the lights and faster mediums. You can't get this with just 4 'mechs.

EDIT: By the way, on paper, the Grasshopper looks like a crappy 'mech. 70t, 4/6/4 movement, 1 large laser, 1 LRM5, 4 medium lasers. But it is a prototypical Fire lance 'mech. Heavy armour, high heat sink (22) count, highly mobile. Once it gets into a brawl with an enemy, it can easily jump behind them and unload its full arsenal into its back with only a minimal amount of heat increase. And it can take hits. Lots of hits...

 

[Jenkem]

You are the only one that gets emotional here mate. The rest of us are just having fun shit tossing at the game while letting off some steam. Don't see what is your problem. Also in SV there is not much reading,therefore not much reading comprehension is needed. It is interesting how you actually with my conclusion based on my reading comprehension(that there is sjw bullshit in the game),yet you tell me that i have shit reading comprehension and see things that are not in the game. I am kind off confused here mate,it sounds a little bit like a paradox. Quite the conundrum here,can you give me hand here?

I'm pretty sure I'm not emotional, despite what you believe based on your own interpretations of my text. I can just as easily assume you have knowledge that in another timeline you are a blue-haired tranny making ends meet by gargling Turkish cock for 5 euros a pop and that is why you are so insecure in this timeline, but alas, I can't say for certain. I wish I had the ego to believe that I alone can interpret another person's emotional state based off of internet text, but alas I don't have that skill.

In regards to your second point... yeah, not much reading is required and yet you still failed to comprehend it correctly--Sad! In regards to Battletech, I agree that there are some things that are eye rolling, but disagree that it does half the shit you are angry about. I also don't think it's worth days and days of complaining about it on the internet. I know that it's tough to understand nuance and realize that things aren't just black and white, especially given your aptitude, so I apologize for causing you distress.

 

[fantadomat]

I think what the game also needs now, after playing a bit, is a sense of urgency. The money/loan for storyline/management stuff is all fine, but you can also sit in a system for a month to heal up/repair with no consequences other than a bill. And money is easy enough to come by as long as missions aren't disasters.

Like in NuXcom there's the threat of the game ending if you just sit there and do nothing. This game needs something like that, even if it is just harsher financials.

Unfortunately there's no easy way to implement a time limit or deadline, and increasing loan interest is just grindy. What the game really needs to tighten up the economy is for the tactical combat to get brutal. At default settings the AI is actually crippled against you and only challenge comes from facing bigger mechs in bigger numbers. Making the AI both ruthless and interesting to play against seems a bit tricky, though.

Well, the problem is the whole salvage thing.

3 pieces for 1 'mech fully built is ludicrously generous. If you make it so that players had to BUY 'mechs (costing millions, natch, not just a few hundred k) rather than easily salvaging them to the point of never needing to buy, then you start cooking with gas. Then you add in a MARKETPLACE style list of what 'mechs you can buy. One day, you can buy an Atlas, the next day, someone has bought it and it is gone. You are left with a Centurion. One day you might have a couple of LosTech SRM2-Inferno launchers on sale, but if you dither, they are gone. Too bad, so sad. On another day, the price of PPCs go through the roof or becomes non-available due to a defect and factory recall of said PPCs. This is something that MW2M did back in the day. When MW does something better than what is supposedly a TT game, YOU'VE DONE THINGS WRONG!

C-Bills represent a constraint on the merc unit that should be utilised to the full. Forget loans and interests and things like that. Just make it so that you have to husband what you have for fear of losing what you've got. Stop throwing cash at the players and then TELLING players that, yes, the game is easy. They just have to mod it to make it harder. WTF is with that kind of shit?

I don't disagree but I'm not seeing anything actionable for me in your comment.

I must ask you guys. Does the game becomes more....tactical later on? I was at 2 and a half skulls when i deleted the game. The combat felt kind of the same. I had 4 medium mechs and was just pushing in and trying to circle around and hit the same side or precision strike the ammo or the connecting parts.

 

[Cael]

I don't disagree but I'm not seeing anything actionable for me in your comment. I can't fix the salvage system. God only knows if it can be.

You can't. HBS fucked up the game, pure and simple. This is all on the developer. They spent too much time bending each other over tables at the office while high on drugs and not enough actually working on the game.

The economy is horrible, the merc unit management is terrible, the graphics is shit, the portraits looks like rejects from the Rocky Horror Show, the game performance outright rapes computer cores, the base rules of the game is a complete clusterfuck, it has no absolutely regard for the established setting, the ONLY good thing you can say about it is that it has a fantastic opening cinematic (lore issues aside).

 

[fantadomat]

You are the only one that gets emotional here mate. The rest of us are just having fun shit tossing at the game while letting off some steam. Don't see what is your problem. Also in SV there is not much reading,therefore not much reading comprehension is needed. It is interesting how you actually with my conclusion based on my reading comprehension(that there is sjw bullshit in the game),yet you tell me that i have shit reading comprehension and see things that are not in the game. I am kind off confused here mate,it sounds a little bit like a paradox. Quite the conundrum here,can you give me hand here?

I'm pretty sure I'm not emotional, despite what you believe based on your own interpretations of my text. I can just as easily assume you have knowledge that in another timeline you are a blue-haired tranny making ends meet by gargling Turkish cock for 5 euros a pop and that is why you are so insecure in this timeline, but alas, I can't say for certain. I wish I had the ego to believe that I alone can interpret another person's emotional state based off of internet text, but alas I don't have that skill.

In regards to your second point... yeah, not much reading is required and yet you still failed to comprehend it correctly--Sad! In regards to Battletech, I agree that there are some things that are eye rolling, but disagree that it does half the shit you are angry about. I also don't think it's worth days and days of complaining about it on the internet. I know that it's tough to understand nuance and realize that things aren't just black and white, especially given your aptitude, so I apologize for causing you distress.

I am not emotional!

Begins hearthfull insult.

Says that he doesn't have the ego to interpret another person's emotions.

Calls me angry(it is an emotional state).

 

[KoolNoodles]

This thread:

 

[Jenkem]

I am not emotional!

Begins hearthfull insult.

Says that he doesn't have the ego to interpret another person's emotions.

Calls me angry(it is an emotional state).

Sorry, I should have said "your list of grievances" instead of "things you are angry about." I shouldn't assume your emotional state based on your frantic misspelling of words or erratic uses of punctuation. Also I must apologize for assuming you stating that finishing the tutorial caused you to "vomit rainbows" was actually a metaphor for how you felt.

A few questions though, what exactly is a "hearthfull" insult? And why do you believe one cannot make a "hearthfull insult" while remaining calm?

 

[Cael]

This thread:

Meh. Once I realised that the idiot was a mkngrll-class troll, I just glossed over his posts. No point reading the same old "No, you!" shit.

 

[fantadomat]

I am not emotional!

Begins hearthfull insult.

Says that he doesn't have the ego to interpret another person's emotions.

Calls me angry(it is an emotional state).

Sorry, I should have said "your list of grievances" instead of "things you are angry about." I shouldn't assume your emotional state based on your frantic misspelling of words or erratic uses of punctuation. Also I must apologize for assuming you stating that finishing the tutorial caused you to "vomit rainbows" was actually a metaphor for how you felt.

A few questions though, what exactly is a "hearthfull" insult? And why do you believe one cannot make a "hearthfull insult" while remaining calm?

We could always continue our discussion in Bulgarian if you feel offended by my English. It is an insult that came from the heart . I say we end this for now,we are both running out of edginess and this begins to feel like a cock tease before angry sex.

Cael learn to enjoy the small things mate . Life is too short to ignor shit.

 

[Cael]

Cael learn to enjoy the small things mate . Life is too short to ignor shit.

Not if they are boring. Mkngrll was boring with his "nigga" nonsense. This one is just more of the same. His very first post was a big clue. "The best thing to come out of the BTech franchise"? Seriously WTF moment right there. The Crescent Hawk's Revenge is better than this shit.

 

[Jenkem]

Not if they are boring. Mkngrll was boring with his "nigga" nonsense. This one is just more of the same. His very first post was a big clue. "The best thing to come out of the BTech franchise"? Seriously WTF moment right there. The Crescent Hawk's Revenge is better than this shit.

tell me how the fuck does "a lot better than most of the dreck that gets pushed out in the name of Battletech" turn into "The best thing to come out of the BTech franchise" in your mind? Yeah, Crescent Hawk's Revenge is a better game, congrats.. it's also a 28 year old game that has nothing to do with contemporary Battlemech games...

not only are your reading comprehension skills fucked, your ability to use logic is fucked as well. serious WTF moment right there.

 

[Cael]

Not if they are boring. Mkngrll was boring with his "nigga" nonsense. This one is just more of the same. His very first post was a big clue. "The best thing to come out of the BTech franchise"? Seriously WTF moment right there. The Crescent Hawk's Revenge is better than this shit.

tell me how the fuck does "a lot better than most of the dreck that gets pushed out in the name of Battletech" turn into "The best thing to come out of the BTech franchise" in your mind? Yeah, Crescent Hawk's Revenge is a better game, congrats.. it's also a 28 year old game that has nothing to do with contemporary Battlemech games...

not only are your reading comprehension skills fucked, your ability to use logic is fucked as well. serious WTF moment right there.

*yawn* And it keeps going into the "trying to mirror others" method of trolling. See what I mean, fantadomat? Boring two year old kid stuff. Why bother reading this shit?

 

[Sarissofoi]

So how it work from technical side?
I do not gonna download it using my glorious 1st world internet(that I can barely use to download ebooks) only for game to melt my great but rather not modern(probably older than hair on most of the codexers balls) PC.

So how it work guys?
I hear very bad thing about that but I want to hear your trustworthy words.

 

[Country_Gravy]

How did this thread become about Single Jewish Women?

 

[Cael]

How did this thread become about Single Jewish Women?

Son, if they looked like this, I'd be up for it:

 

[ColonelTeacup]

Any codex impressions yet?

Best porn game ever made. Literally.

 

[Cael]

Any codex impressions yet?

Best porn game ever made. Literally.

You pay good money to get royally fucked? It would certainly be an accurate description :D

 

[ColonelTeacup]

Any codex impressions yet?

Best porn game ever made. Literally.

You pay good money to get royally fucked? It would certainly be an accurate description :D

You know what they say, you want the best, you gotta pay.

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

Re: tracking sales numbers

This game will be our first major release after the Death/Rebirth of Steamspy.

#3 in global sales now, after Frostpunk and PUBG.

http://steamspy.com/app/637090
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?filter=topsellers&os=win

Owners: 200,000 .. 500,000
Followers: 75,763
Peak concurrent players yesterday: 27,200

No idea if Patreon access would give better info.

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

madyena
9.6 hrs
POSTED: 28 APRIL
I am conflicted, Its got so many elements right. I am just not as hardcore as i sued to be so this game has no way to dial down the difficulty and that kind of bothers me but there are plenty of skirmish andmultiplayer options that are fun.
am I enjoying it? somewhat would i recommend it no. unless you are strictly a hard cor tactics ned then maybe.

Flipside of "one size; doesn't fit anyone" design of difficulty.

 

[Parabalus]

So how it work from technical side?
I do not gonna download it using my glorious 1st world internet(that I can barely use to download ebooks) only for game to melt my great but rather not modern(probably older than hair on most of the codexers balls) PC.

So how it work guys?
I hear very bad thing about that but I want to hear your trustworthy words.

No game I played hogged RAM and GPU more than Battletech. It doesn't even look pretty.

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

No game I played hogged RAM and GPU more than Battletech. It doesn't even look pretty.

Shock Tactics was even worse, but it had case of developer bankruptcy.

 

[Bohr]

Avoid F6 in certain screens ...

One line summary of your issue
F6 will make your pilots ...[Mod Edit: language]
Please explain your issue is in as much detail as possible.
when im in the dropship screen, and i press F6. all my pilots go out of action for 20-27 days.
ive only gotten through mission 1 [Mod Edit: Language]

Steps to reproduce the issue
press F6.. it happens to me in the drop ship screen, and in the barrack skill screen

Can confirm: at the main screen in campaign hitting F6 will cause an injury to all MechWarriors.

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