Baldur's Gate Beamdog's Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 Enhanced Editions

[poetic codex]

This site gives BG2:EE 2/5...for all the wrong reasons: http://www.twinfinite.net/blog/2013/11/16/baldurs-gate-2-review/

Warning: EXTREME popamole inside.

I didn't read the review, but give the guy some slack. It looks like he never played the original game. Especially for someone who never played the tabletop version, or someone coming from D&D 3.0, you gotta admit that AD&D rules are quite cryptic . THAC0 is also very counter-intuitive. Once you figure it out, it's easy but it's still very counter-intuitive. BG2's spells system is very rich and it took me a while to learn the cool spell combos, enemy mage debuffs vs party debuffs etc. Maybe he's not popamole so much as just new to Baldur's Gate ?

 

[titus]

I didn't read the review, but give the guy some slack. It looks like he never played the original game. Especially for someone who never played the tabletop version, or someone coming from D&D 3.0, you gotta admit that AD&D rules are quite cryptic . THAC0 is also very counter-intuitive. Once you figure it out, it's easy but it's still very counter-intuitive. BG2's spells system is very rich and it took me a while to learn the cool spell combos, enemy mage debuffs vs party debuffs etc. Maybe he's not popamole so much as just new to Baldur's Gate ?

How about he reads the fucking manual, then. It's not exactly rocket science.

 

[Rivmusique]

BG2 has an in game tutorial too. Has to be click-bait.

 

[Grunker]

you gotta admit that AD&D rules are quite cryptic

Damned straight they are! Horrible design.

However, lack of documentation isn't one of Baldur's Gate's problems. For the most part, you can pick up a manual/player's handbook and read how to play.

Modern gamers faulting old games for being obscure because of lack of documentation = totally cool. Fuck that shit.

Modern gamers faulting old games for being obscure when they could RTFM = Fuck 'em.

Would a streamlined tutorial be better? I guess. Does its lack make the game unplayable? LOL

I played this game when I was like 12 and didn't understand English much less fuckin' AD&D.

 

[Unkillable Cat]

I didn't read the review, but give the guy some slack. It looks like he never played the original game. Especially for someone who never played the tabletop version, or someone coming from D&D 3.0, you gotta admit that AD&D rules are quite cryptic . THAC0 is also very counter-intuitive. Once you figure it out, it's easy but it's still very counter-intuitive. BG2's spells system is very rich and it took me a while to learn the cool spell combos, enemy mage debuffs vs party debuffs etc. Maybe he's not popamole so much as just new to Baldur's Gate ?

I'd agree with this, if he were a 15-year old, but his comment about the Commodore Vic just gives him away as a troll. AD&D was around for a LONG time, and a LOT of games were released that used it. The odds of him being a gamer for 25-30 years and NOT having ever come across a game that used the AD&D system, even on Commodores, is pretty much zero.

 

[Cyberarmy]

you gotta admit that AD&D rules are quite cryptic

Damned straight they are! Horrible design.

However, lack of documentation isn't one of Baldur's Gate's problems. For the most part, you can pick up a manual/player's handbook and read how to play.

Modern gamers faulting old games for being obscure because of lack of documentation = totally cool. Fuck that shit.

Modern gamers faulting old games for being obscure when they could RTFM = Fuck 'em.

Would a streamlined tutorial be better? I guess. Does its lack make the game unplayable? LOL

I played this game when I was like 12 and didn't understand English much less fuckin' AD&D.

Same here, getting a dictionary and reading is quite hard nowadays it seems.

Edit: Also FFS it is not hard to search with the help of internet... I'm pretty sure you'll get pages of info when you google "THAC0" even game comes without documents...

 

[poetic codex]

^Ok, I'll read the review then. Perhaps the bashing is justified.

Edit: Done. Ok, it's a severe case of RTFM, but still, coming from the perspective of someone new to both AD&D and Baldur's Gate, the review still offers some valid critique. Anyway I would imagine that the market for the enhanced games is mainly people who played the originals so it's not really meant for people like him.

Perhaps BG 3 from Trent Oster and Co. would be more beginner friendly. They're only using these enhanced versions to fund BG 3 if I understand it correctly.

 

[octavius]

Mandatory

He looks like Sheldon in Big Bang Theory with glasses and facial hair. Maybe he's the Bizarro Sheldon who is not even smart enough to read the manual?

 

[Infinitron]

poetic codex isn't trying hard enough

 

[warpig]

In that time I have accumulated a massive video game collection and greatly enjoy diving into unknown sub-genre's featuring forgotten mechanics. When not studying games I might be doing school work, or making cocktails. Or juggling knives.

I guess "studying games" doesn't include reading the manual.

 

[Delterius]

Funny because I just had a talk about how a lot of people overreact about shit like THAC0. As someone who have never had any contact with tabletop gaming, at all, I can safely say that the rules weren't that counterintuitive back when I played the game.

 

[Minttunator]

Yep, that's a seriously retarded review. At least the idiot is getting toasted in the comments.

Maybe Beamdog should've taken Hepler's advice and implemented a "skip combat" button.

 

[Delterius]

Well, the thing is, the first time I played Baldur's Gate (1) was in 2010. The first and only time I played Baldur's Gate 2 was in 2011. Back then I had similar thoughts as the guy did, such as 'Why the hell would a smaller number mean greater power (THAC0)' but I kinda expected weird stuff. I was playing a 10 year old game. Afterwards (I mean, 5 minutes into the game), I read on the game's systems - the manual - and all doubts were cleared.

So that's the thing: the review reads like the tale of a ragequit. Nothing more.

That said, have people no notion of time? Don't people know that conventions are built over time?

 

[Grunker]

Perhaps BG 3 from Trent Oster and Co. would be more beginner friendly. They're only using these enhanced versions to fund BG 3 if I understand it correctly.

Too obvious champ, even for a chump like me.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

I was afraid that BG2 EE will end up being a decline as their bug forum was rather boring initially, but it's back to being pretty michaeljacksonpopcorn.gif now that few days passed since the release and I'm enjoying it.

 

[poetic codex]

Well, I was trying to see the review strictly from a beginner's perspective. In my defense, this part here is pure derp and inexcusable:

Also, how the hell does magic work? I eventually figured out resting gives you your spells back, but it took far too long. This is just another instance of the game assuming that the player is coming into the game with prior knowledge.

 

[LeJosh]

Prior knowledge of resting?

"THEY HAVE TO SLEEP TO REJUVENATE THEIR MIND SPELLZ DA FUQ"

Holy fucking shit: the retardation, it's too much.



Thank goodness the comments is just RTFM comments. I guess that was some of you guys?

 

[Malpercio]

This site gives BG2:EE 2/5...for all the wrong reasons: http://www.twinfinite.net/blog/2013/11/16/baldurs-gate-2-review/

Warning: EXTREME popamole inside.

I didn't read the review, but give the guy some slack. It looks like he never played the original game. Especially for someone who never played the tabletop version, or someone coming from D&D 3.0, you gotta admit that AD&D rules are quite cryptic . THAC0 is also very counter-intuitive. Once you figure it out, it's easy but it's still very counter-intuitive. BG2's spells system is very rich and it took me a while to learn the cool spell combos, enemy mage debuffs vs party debuffs etc. Maybe he's not popamole so much as just new to Baldur's Gate ?

Bullshit. I knew shit about D&D when i played BG2 and yet I did just fine.

Not to mention dude is a reviewer so he should at least try to get informed.

 

[LeJosh]

You can't go into a game blind willingly then complain that you know nothing.

What the fuck.

 

[Cosmo]

Mandatory

Looks like he decided to directly jump from 13 to 52.

 

[Unkillable Cat]

This is just another instance of the game assuming that the player is coming into the game with prior knowledge.

It's a SEQUEL. You are SUPPOSED to play the game with PRIOR KNOWLEDGE.

 

[sea]

The reviewer is still young enough to be in school yet old enough to have played games on the VIC-20?

 

[Goegoff]

yet old enough to have played games on the VIC-20?

In a museum. On a school trip. A couple of months ago.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

Looks like he decided to directly jump from 13 to 52.

With pretty good results too.

 

[octavius]

The reviewer is still young enough to be in school yet old enough to have played games on the VIC-20?

Maybe Trent worked his magic and managed to make a Vic-20 version?