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Review Da Game Boyz reviews Fallout Tactics

Vault Dweller

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Tags: Fallout Tactics; Micro Forte

Blast from the past! A site called <a href=http://www.dagameboyz.net>Da Gamers Boyz</a> has posted a very amusing <a href=http://www.dagameboyz.net/g/review_814_p1.html>review</a> of <a href=http://www.microforte.com/games/bos.htm>Fallout Tactics</a>, a game that's "basically took the best part of the first two games and expanded on it: the combat." Enjoy the show!
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<blockquote>Here we have a franchise that is founded with a familiar turn-based combat system, but leaps so far forward in terms of engrossing back story and unbridled style that we can't really classify it as part of that genre
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In Fallout 2, you play the very same dweller, now a wanderer.
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The engine, at first glance, appears basically the same. It's still a sprite-based isometric view. Fortunately, with the higher resolution and many more new objects in the game world, it still appears new.
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The true versatility of the game comes into play when you're given the freedom to achieve this goal in nearly any way you want. </blockquote>
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One word: wow!
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Sol Invictus

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What a bunch of fucking retards. I should e-mail the idiot who wrote the article just to make fun of his mental retardation.
 

Vault Dweller

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Yes, but to be fair, choosing the weapons is entirely up to you. :)
 

Saint_Proverbius

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Wow, this review is great.

The original plan was that each of these vaults would be able to stay in communication with each other until the day when they could all emerge and rebuild the human civilization. Unfortunately, due to unforeseen technical difficulties, communication was lost and each vault was isolated from all of their bretheren.

Admittedly, this was one of the problems with Fallout Tactics. They added this concept of a vault network hub, yet something so amazingly critical to the system was never mentioned in either Fallout or Fallout 2. Yet, you'd think that since the vault had locations of a few vaults around them, there would also be the location of the central and most important vault evar in their computer databases. In fact, even the overseer of Fallout never mentions it, when you think he'd be the guy to know about it if there was supposed to be communications between all the vaults through this hub. You'd think he would have said something along the lines of, Well, go check Vault 15. If they don't have a spare, then use their computers to talk to Vault 0 and see if there isn't another vault nearby that may have a waterchip, since our communications with them was lost a while ago.

In the first Fallout, you're placed in the boots of a member of one of the isolationist vaults. Your vault, in an effort to preserve yourselves and your way of life, chose to seal yourselves in.

Actually, that wasn't a choice at all, it was part of the overseer's orders. Vault 13 was supposedly a control vault.

As the story goes, a vault filled with military personnel opened themselves and feasted their eyes on a world torn with greed and villainy. Once they got their hands on the technology, they set out to destroy the evils of the land.

Which, of course, wasn't the case in Fallout. The BOS in Fallout merely horded technology and slowly reintroduced it when they thought mankind was ready for it.

Too much in the way of good intentions tends to backfire, and the Brotherhood became the bullies of the world, dispensing their kind of self-righteous justice.

Also not seen in Fallout or Fallout 2.

Everything still has a 50's look and feel, and it all is very homogenous. If it works, don't mess with it!

Except the sprites, of course. The tiles in Fallout Tactics were really good, but the sprites didn't follow the 1950s pulp style at all. The robots were anime-ish, there were not-at-all-1950s vehicles for the BOS, and so on. So, when the sprites don't follow the look, it's hardly homogenous. Sounds to me like this guy just glanced over a Fallout fan site to pick up catch phrases and ran with them to make himself look knowledgable.

Basically, they took the best part of the first two games and expanded on it: the combat.

Eh? I thought the best part of the first two games was the ability to pick and choose how you delt with situations, one method being combat. Even if you only delt with things like combat to solve problems, there's still issues with the translation of combat from the first two games to Fallout Tactics.

Even though some of the missions fall on the same criteria as before (kill 'em all) there are many missions that have a specific goal such as rescuing someone or killing someone specific.

Rescuing someone ends up being kill 'em all except... and I don't recall any assassination missions.

Some missions are a little linear in the idea that in order to achieve your goal, you need to do this, then that, before you can do the other thing.

Some?

There are 3 modes of play: continuous real-time, turn-based, and a hybrid mode of the two

What?! There was real time, turn based with individual character sequence, and squad sequence turn based.

[in classic turn based] Unfortunately, you can't execute some maneuvers such as hopping fences in this mode.

You can't do that in any mode, because climbing wasn't implimented in Fallout Tactics period.

[In classic turn based] Also, since the maps are so large, it really drags things out when you're moving your squad around the map where there are no encounters.

What the hell? It's just like Fallout, you're only in turn based movement during combat.

The continuous real-time mode gives you all the special movement options and speeds up the gameplay. In this mode, you simply set your aggression levels and a few other options, and your players will do combat on their own.

1.) It adds no movement options.
2.) You have to use the aggressive setting in turn based as well.

In some cases (like when you've got the enemy pinned behind a rock) it's beneficial to be in this mode, so your troop will pick them off quickly as they pop up from behind their cover.

1.) They'll never pop back up, ever. Once they lay down to avoid getting killed, they stay down forever.
2.) Turn based offers overwatch, which would allow you to pick them off if they stood back up during their turn, assuming they would ever get back up.

The third mode, the hybrid, leaves your troops in real-time until combat begins.

Uhhh.. Yeah. This is how both turn based modes are, actually. I doubt this kid actually played Fallout Tactics in turn based, since he has no idea what he's talking about here. He even continues discussing this mode with this:

The major downside of this is that since the maps are so large, you're forced to move troops that may not be engaged in battle under the same turn-based limitations as the ones that are. The only time you switch to real-time is when all of your troops are out of danger. The synopsis is: you're in turn-based mode most of the time anyway.

Damn. Just.. Damn. Sounds to me like this guy marches one or two guys around the map for long periods of time, then runs in to combat and decides to only then advance the rest of the squad.
 

Sol Invictus

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Fuck me up the ass with a cake mixer. This has got to be some of the dumbest drivel I've ever seen made up on the fly.
 

Volourn

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Then, Ia ssure you, you haven't read any of your own posts. :D

As for the review, it's just wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Then again, why is a review of an 80 year old game newsworthy? Hmmm..
 

taks

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Saint_Proverbius said:
Wow, this review is great. ...
Eh? ...
Some? ...
What?! ...
What the hell? ...
Damn. Just.. Damn. ...

you guys are killing me... good thing nobody's around to hear me...

taks
 

taks

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i'm surprised some of you guys actually took the time to play it... or is it just the NMA/DAC folk that break out in hives at the mention of tactics?

taks
 

Diogo Ribeiro

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I actually played Tactics twice. Yes, not just once, twice. I even played the bonus mission, Springfield.

But then again, i didn't had any ho's i could pimp at the time with my sugarlicious love, so the time invested in it might have something to do with it.
 

taks

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*applies hip boots*

uhnhuh... yeah.

given that springfield is probably THE most common city name, which springfield did the expansion refer to? or was that really unrelated to setting?

taks
 

Saint_Proverbius

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I tried to play it and I tried to like it since I really liked Fallout and really liked JA2. Then again, those were the problems with me liking it. They got the setting way, way wrong from Fallout, and it was no where near as good as JA2. On top of that, it was very, very buggy.
 

Diogo Ribeiro

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I believe it was unrelated to the setting. Its supposed to be more related to the Springfield in the Simpsons though, although i don't recall any mention or similarity at this time.
 

DarkUnderlord

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taks said:
i'm surprised some of you guys actually took the time to play it...
I played it. Got up to the mission where you get the two-seater buggy, quit, sifted through the files to find the end-game movies, watched all three of them and uninstalled. The missions were just too long and picking items up from every mission to sell for money in order to BUY better weapons from the BoS (I'm a member, no free armour and rifle?) was just plain retarded. Exploring the World Map was also no fun. Random Encounters were a dime a dozen. Linear, uninteresting combat game with way too much combat and it didn't fit Fallout.
 

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