Vapourware Daggerfall Unity isnt Vaporware

[Luzur]

Dark Forces isn't really a game that needs a Windows port. It's a simple Doom clone, works great on dosbox. Arena XL would be pretty awesome, though

i thought more about it having the same moddability as DaggerXL will have.

 

[Sceptic]

and either Arena XL or Dark Forces XL is next on the list, after Dagger XL.

Probably DarkXL, since he started it way before DaggerXL. IIRC he just adapted the DarkXL engine to DaggerXL.

Dark Forces isn't really a game that needs a Windows port. It's a simple Doom clone, works great on dosbox. Arena XL would be pretty awesome, though

Arena works fine in DOSBox too, if you know which settings to use.

 

[Elwro]

Did he put any mechanics in or is it just the renderer now?

 

[m_s0]

Dark Forces isn't really a game that needs a Windows port. It's a simple Doom clone, works great on dosbox. Arena XL would be pretty awesome, though

Arena works fine in DOSBox too, if you know which settings to use.

I know, I've got it configured and all that, it does occasionally have some hitches, though so Arena is the better choice out of the two for my laptop gaming needs

i thought more about it having the same moddability as DaggerXL will have.

I though of the same. Essentially, I always felt like Dark Forces was a Total Conversion for Doom, so that's probably why I don't care for it being modded. It would be great to see some moddability in Arena. It would benefit more out of it than DF, the way I see it.

Did he put any mechanics in or is it just the renderer now?

Some. Leveling isn't implemented yet but the game is supposed to be fully playable until the end of this year. Meaning: it'll be ready sometime in 2011, seeing as he had some delays. Last time I checked you could play through the first dungeon but that was just about it.

 

[roll-a-die]

oh yeah, i remember that, from TESF.

also another mod was closed down, but i cant remember what it was about.

MEMod, the Middle Earth one? That was Tolkien's estate being dicks, if that's what you're thinking of.

Not much to say about DaggerXL that hasn't already been said, but I'm absurdly excited.

yes, that one, but i think i remember the last post talking about have "recieved a letter from Bethesda".

Yeah the Tolkien Estate sent a letter to Bethesda, because they are technically the ones responsible for monitoring copyright infringement within their games.

 

[Tails]

i am fairly certain they did shut down some projects.

Software converting Morrowind content to Oblivion engine, since they are douchebags.

Repaired.

:shrugs: not big loss for me, since I'll take Morrowind engine over Oblivion any time, and I really dislike Morrowind one.

 

[betamin]

I'm pumped.

I mean really pumped.

 

[Luzur]

even Julian Lefay is watching this project now.

Hello all,

Being the programmer of the original Daggerfall, Arena, and Battlespire, here are my two cents.

Arena was a stealth RPG (long story) but never really got the effort it merited. It did have a bunch of firsts, though, that I am proud of, like dynamic lighting with proper drop off and such. It was a small team and it was not bad given the conditions.

Daggerfall was horribly understaffed and many features were dropped or cut short. It was buggy but this was mostly due to pressure to release the game prematurely. It was done with only one main programmer (me, although I had an assistant occasionally) which is absurd on a project of this size. Especially considering that I was also the main designer (Ted was phenomenal and deserves at least equal credit but left before the project was done) and project leader and the Chief Engineer in charge of all other Bethesda development. Consequently, the project suffered and I consider it one of the great missed opportunities in my life, seeing what the game could have been but having to fall short. Had the dedication of the company been there, it could have so much better while retaining the feel it has. Ah, well... It has always had a dedicated following, strangely enough, even during development and testing. Most of the gods a named after some very dedicated testers, one exception being Julianos, God of Logic, whom I named after me!

My favorite (if I can use that word, considering my viewpoint) must be Battlespire. While it, too, suffered from a complete lack of resources and support, it was the best controlled project and the one where I had complete control of all aspects of the game and its development. If it had had hardware rendering support it would have been a much bigger success, I think. But, then again, I am rather biased.

I only just found out about this project today, much to my surprise. I am still not sure what it really is... I am intrigued, of course.

All the best,
Julian LeFay

 

[MisterStone]

What the hell was Bethesduh working on back then if this didn't get priority??

 

[Luzur]

Terminator?

 

[Sceptic]

Yeah I'm surprised. Daggerfall came out the same year as Future Shock IIRC, and that game was just as half-finished.

 

[Luzur]

what games did they do after Arena actually? i never dwelled too deep into their game history, infact i never heard of them prior to Arena.

 

[Jaesun]

what games did they do after Arena actually? i never dwelled too deep into their game history, infact i never heard of them prior to Arena.

1993 The Elder Scrolls: Arena
1994 Terminator 2029 - The Deluxe CD Edition
1994 Delta V
1995 The Terminator: Future Shock
1996 SkyNET
1996 The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall
1997 An Elder Scrolls Legend: Battlespire
1997 PBA Tour Bowling
1997 XCar: Experimental Racing

 

[Luzur]

and nothing before Arena? they just showed up with Arena one day?

 

[Jaesun]

Thats a short list in order after arena.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Be ... orks_games

 

[GarfunkeL]

The first Terminator game was pretty awesome, for its time.

 

[Sceptic]

and nothing before Arena

The first Terminator game

Which was, indeed, pretty awesome. One huge open map (the city), one objective (kill Terminator/Sarah Connor). Hard as fuck if you're playing as Reese. Vehicles, weapons, first-person 3D scrolling (though the "3D" was very, very pimitive)... all designed to run on a 286 processor and fit on one floppy disk. The game was pretty revolutionary programming-wise.

Before that, I don't remember.

Also, to amend Jaesun's list, 2029 was released before Arena (what he listed is the CD version, which included the expansion IIRC). They also released Terminator Rampage in 1992/93, an FPS that was somewhere between Wolf3D and Doom (and nowhere near as good as the latter).

 

[DalekFlay]

This project really excites me and I hope it is finished at some point. I know a lot of people prefer the pure original versions but for me playing an old classic like Doom or Hexen in a new 3D engine is a great experience. To have that with an RPG, a classic RPG even, would be lovely.

 

[larpingdude18]

http://daggerxl.wordpress.com/2010/12/1 ... -released/

 

[Sceptic]

Fuck yeah.

Things missing, but only for now:
*Custom Class. For now you must select from one of the pre-created classes.

Still, the speed at which he's making progress is impressive. At this rate I guess we'll have a semi-playable version in a few months and pretty much all there version by the end of 2011.

Oh yeah and he's talking about a fully playable DarkXL beta in the next couple of weeks. With a pure renderer for dosfags who want their game to look exactly as the original in all its low-res glory. This guy's amazing.

 

[Crooked Bee]

Very much looking forward to the beta release.

 

[DraQ]

Things missing, but only for now:
*Custom Class. For now you must select from one of the pre-created classes.

 

[Admiral jimbob]

...why the hell couldn't he implement the custom classes? I haven't played Daggerfall for a few years, but I don't remember them being particularly complicated. Isn't it just a difference of preset/picking skills?

 

[DragoFireheart]

...why the hell couldn't he implement the custom classes? I haven't played Daggerfall for a few years, but I don't remember them being particularly complicated. Isn't it just a difference of preset/picking skills?

What you should be asking is what parts he is prioritizing first.

 

[Crooked Bee]

Meh, it's just a temporary thing. Hopefully.

Right? :/