Editorial Fallout 3 is art

[Silellak]

"Any medium has the potential to be art, and a few games in history have arguably crossed that line."

No.

I know you're just trolling, but I'll play along anyway.

Can novels or movies be art?

 

[deranged]

The summed intelligence of all humans in the planet is always constant...

The population increases...

 

[Spectacle]

No one has yet reached an indisputable definition of art, so its all up in the air. The closest to an agreed upon definition is "if you say its art, then its art"

note that this definition does not separate between good and bad art.

 

[Xerxos]

"Art is the process or product of deliberately arranging elements in a way that appeals to the sense or emotions. It encompasses a diverse range of human activities, creations, and modes of expression, including music and literature."

Games, by this definition can be art.

To all those who say games can't be art: It's just your personal definition of art that only includes paintings, etc.

 

[Angthoron]

Eh, movies weren't considered art whenever it was they weren't considered art. Now there's art movies, there's non-art movies, and there's French Art Movies!

Also, Fallout 3 is fine art, or, in brief, a fart.

 

[Mareus]

Fallout 3 is shit! Some games are art, but Fallout 3 certainly does not fall under that category.

 

[kingcomrade]

HL2 is clearly the game that has come closest to art.

Perhaps we should look up the word "clearly" in the dictionary.

 

[Risine]

Why starting again that discussion about game is Art, with Fallout3 in background, pros vs cons just validate that this game is interesting enough to start such a discussion about it.
Fallout 3 is just another uninteresting game among many uninteresting games, nothing to dissert about.

 

[Forest Dweller]

No one has yet reached an indisputable definition of art, so its all up in the air. The closest to an agreed upon definition is "if you say its art, then its art"

note that this definition does not separate between good and bad art.

"Art is a selective recreation of reality according to an artist's metaphysical value judgements."

 

[Gragt]

Art is about poodles.

 

[kingcomrade]

Art is about masturbation. The foreground is the penis, the background is the hand that encloses it. Prove me wrong.

 

[GeneralSamov]

Art is about poodles.

Being starved to death. With people watching.

 

[Volourn]

"I know you're just trolling, but I'll play along anyway."

You are an idiot.

 

[Zeros]

No one has yet reached an indisputable definition of art, so its all up in the air. The closest to an agreed upon definition is "if you say its art, then its art"

note that this definition does not separate between good and bad art.

"Art is a selective recreation of reality according to an artist's metaphysical value judgements."

who the fuck wrote that? ayn fucking rand?

art being recreation is so... aristotle.

art is creation!

whatever art is, FO3 is not that.

 

[Gragt]

Art is fun.

 

[Worm King]

Fallout 3 is shit! Some games are art, but Fallout 3 certainly does not fall under that category.

Weren't you driven out by a Codex mob and promised never to return?

 

[Mareus]

Fallout 3 is shit! Some games are art, but Fallout 3 certainly does not fall under that category.

Weren't you driven out by a Codex mob and promised never to return?

Nope, I left by my own. Figured it's better to play games, rather than nag all day about them. But I ve been visiting the site anyway, because it's a good read now and then.

 

[Serus]

Like Volly said, games are games, not art. They might contain artistic design to some parts of it and that's about as far as it goes.
You don't call a book art because it has a picture of Monalisa on the front cover while the entire book is all about the adventures of Andyman Messiah running naked on times square screaming how awesome the wind feels on his mangled two headed dick. This is simply not art.

If books aren't art I don't know what is... Maybe music? No, music is just sounds in harmony. What about painting? It's only paint on the wood. So maybe sculpture? How sculpted rock can be an art? Dancing? Nay. So what is an art?

Volourn is the only one who knows but this knoweldge is not for everyone !

 

[Silellak]

"I know you're just trolling, but I'll play along anyway."

You are an idiot.

My favorite kind of debate is the one you don't even have to have because your opponent proves your point for you.

 

[Rhalle]

"Art is a selective recreation of reality according to an artist's metaphysical value judgements."

A tautology: so patently true it hurts. Her SAT verbal was probably decent, though.

Can a game be art? Sure. If genius propells it the right direction (which is usually towards something like self-satisfaction), why not?

Any product of the right personality-- the medium is irrelevant-- can qualify as art, and be worthy of serious aesthetical judgement.

 

[janjetina]

state-of-the-art game design

More like state-of-the-fart game design.

 

[Xor]

Fallout 3 is shit! Some games are art, but Fallout 3 certainly does not fall under that category.

Weren't you driven out by a Codex mob and promised never to return?

I especially liked the thread where he argued with an Obsidian dev about why NWN2 should have been 2D, and how its graphics were worse than Baldur's Gate.

 

[rpgcodexusername]

I think art is something that forces you to re-evaluate your opinions, some games fall under that category but not many.

 

[Volourn]

"I think art is something that forces you to re-evaluate your opinions"

You think wrong.

I see a painting of a HOT women, it is art, but it won't make me rethink anything.

 

[ushdugery]

Creative expression is art saying that the medium dictates whether or not it is creative expression or not is a nonsensical statements putting limits on what you consider to be art and how it should be made defines you as an idiot. Art started off as a practical thing from a ritualistic point of view and as in this modern world producing entertainment for capital is a practical thing saying it is not art because of that is also a stupid statement and no measure of veto.
[EDIT]:The big reason people say computer games aren't art is because of there interactive nature, stating that art is supposed to have a proscribed story to it. Interesting point though this is, the subjective nature and appreciation of art provides an interactive element in a more base personal level even if common themes of the work are obvious, which I think clearly negates this argument too.