Fallout: is the Master evil?

[villain of the story]

Yeah, my fault really. I should have written about why women are bitches and should be kept in the kitchen in a semi-literate pretentious lengthy rant like Lyric Suite, instead.

 

[Muro]

Never perceived the Master as evil, personally.

His plan had the potential of being a great gift to humanity. What non-irradiated people gained from the dipping were significantly increased physical and mental possibilities, immunity to diseases & radiation and on top of that, biological immortality.

Sterility was an important flaw in the transformation if the super mutants were to reproduce, naturally. A flaw which the Master should have been indeed aware about from the very beginning, considering his neurolink to the Mariposa computers. I was surprised his first reaction to learning about it was writing the plan off, too. In game, I blame his ability to think logically being destabilized due to the absorbed entities and whatnot. Out of the game - the fact that even though Interplay did their best to make the in-game science sound, the game simply wasn't created by scientists.

Were this not the computer game that it is, I'd expect the Master's reaction to learning about super mutant sterility to be designing and attempting to develop a workaround. Sure, it would involve genetic engineering and/or cloning, difficult tasks considering the limited resources of a post-apocalyptic world, but with the earlier mentioned biological immortality, his team would have plenty of time to come up with a solution.

 

[DragoFireheart]

When mentally ill people commit crimes, do we consider that evil? The Master clearly wasn't sound of mind, be it psychological or some reaction to being mutated. If you do convince him that his plan has failed, he tries (in the only way he knows how) to undo the harm he has done (by setting off the nuke to destroy the Super Mutants at the Cathedral.)

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Well, mentally ill people tend to not give a shit when you tell them they're wrong, even if you provide proof. Then again, the Master's "craziness" was the result of an unique problem, so perhaps he was sane, just VERY confused.

His plan had the potential of being a great gift to humanity. What non-irradiated people gained from the dipping were significantly increased physical and mental possibilities, immunity to diseases & radiation and on top of that, biological immortality.

Yeah, but he didn't gave people a fair choice (become a mutant or undergo sterilization), and whoever stood in his way would be killed. That's pretty villainy.

Like I said before, I think he cares more about his awesome plan than the people involved in it. A megalomaniac.

 

[Quetzacoatl]

What d&d alignment is the Master?

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Poster boy for Lawful Evil, imo

 

[Skittles]

Well, mentally ill people tend to not give a shit when you tell them they're wrong, even if you provide proof.

Proof: the internet.

 

[Muro]

Yeah, but he didn't gave people a fair choice (become a mutant or undergo sterilization)

Indeed, for he didn't think humans were capable of making the right decision (which, judging from the opinions of intelligent super mutants in Fallout 1 and 2, could very well be true). Dealing with "normals" was for him the same dealing with children is for adults. We don't ask about the opinion of kids when we're sure we know what's best for them, but responsibly force the right decision instead.

and whoever stood in his way would be killed.

I don't recall him demonstrating any desire to kill anyone. He wanted to force the transformation on all those that he perceived as required while allowing the rest to live out their days, under Unity's "control and protection", without the possibility of breeding.

It's true that we could witness mutants mindlessly slaughtering defenceless vault inhabitants if Vault 13's location is revealed, but that was a complete distortion of the Master's intentions, caused by the stupidity of his troopers. After all, each killed non-radiated vault dweller is one Lou less for the Unity.

 

[Giauz Ragnacock]

Biblical or not everything that has been described about the master evokes fear and darkness. I wouldn't want to be turned into a monstrous slave or be killed during the process that is for sure.

Villain of the Story: Hitler was a man with a full life and flaws, true. However, what he did was use thousands of people to generate hatred, selfishness, arrogance, cruelty, and the murder of millions just to make sure everyone looked more or less the same and somehow arbitrarily superior. Hitler and Stalin and their entire eugenics creed pretty much codifies the darkness boiling below humanity. Have you no empathy?

Point is: dumbass most people wished would have been stopped is dumbass.

 

[Menckenstein]

The Master was evil by comittee. Being an amalgamation of many minds, surrounded by hyper-aggressive, violent simpletons and buttlicking cultists probably doesn't do much to keep those Freudian psychic elements (id, ego, superego) in check.

 

[Phelot]

I forget, didn't The Master transform alone? I thought maybe he had a wife or something that Harold describes. Are those other voices suppose to be the rest of his party or was it just suppose to be cool sounding?

 

[Infinitron]

I forget, didn't The Master transform alone? I thought maybe he had a wife or something that Harold describes. Are those other voices suppose to be the rest of his party or was it just suppose to be cool sounding?

He transformed alone. He absorbed other people later.

 

[Infinitron]

By the way, I wonder how the Master transported himself from Mariposa to the Cathedral Vault? That must have been quite a sight.
A holy caravan, with no visible windows or doors, escorted by throngs of Children of the Cathedral and flanked by stealthed Nightkin bodyguards.

 

[Menckenstein]

By the way, I wonder how the Master transported himself from Mariposa to the Cathedral Vault? That must have been quite a sight.
A holy caravan, with no visible windows or doors, escorted by throngs of Children of the Cathedral and flanked by stealthed Nightkin bodyguards.

He just fast traveled.

 

[NewFag]

Master just seems like a confused tranny to me. Creating more mutant trannys with his tranny goo virus. Evil? Probably. M:

 

[Wyrmlord]

Here is an obvious inconsistency in Fallout. FEV makes most people stupider. But it made the Master smarter. Was it that Richard Grey was an already brilliant man made slightly stupider and more delusional by FEV - smart enough to think of a grand plan, crazy enough to forget of the loophole? Or was it that each of the individual minds that made up the Master were collectively smarter, but each mind had deteriorated individually due to FEV? Or was Master like Harold - simply a very unique mutant different from all others? An unexpected anomaly in which the reaction of the FEV was different from most cases? Perhaps it is a simple inconsistency.

Anyway, another thing to ponder. In Fallout, only Vault-bred people make for intelligent mutants. Wastelanders have seen their DNA code change slightly, and produce less intelligent mutants. But did everyone not come from a Vault recently? Shady Sands developed from Vault 15. The Hub and LA Boneyard developed from the Vault to their south. Aren't those all a first-generation of people to exit a Vault? Aren't they all Vault-dwellers suitable for FEV experiments?

 

[Skittles]

Because radiation.

 

[Surf Solar]

There were more people who survived the war in small shelters, odd caves or wherever you can imagine. Not all humans you see in Fallout are descendants from Vault people.