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[A user named cat]

Bioware are honestly just as bad if not worse than Bethesda, this game isn't even worthy of discussion.

 

[Edward_R_Murrow]

Bioware are honestly just as bad if not worse than Bethesda, this game isn't even worthy of discussion.

Nah. Bioware writes horrible cliches and generic crap all the time, but at least they're good at what they do...sort of. At least their worlds are somewhat coherent. Bethesda are just laughable when it comes to writing. More importantly, Bioware's games can be mildly amusing to genuinely fun because Bioware can make decent to good gameplay. Bethesda can't even come close.

 

[A user named cat]

I disagree, I don't think I've ever played a Bioware game that was actually fun or even memorable. Kotor was decent, but give me a Jedi Knight game anyday over that shit. BG II was also decent, but became worse and worse further in. The rest have been garbage - including Jade Empire, NWN and Mass Effect. Morrowind and Daggerfall were at the very least, more atmospheric and playable than those three.

 

[Edward_R_Murrow]

Morrowind and Daggerfall were at the very least, more atmospheric and playable than those three.

Atmospheric, sure. But playable? You've gotta be kidding me. Bethesda's idea of "gameplay" is substandard combat ad nauseum, in boring dungeons, to find cookie-cutter loot. See, it worked in Daggerfall because the character system was so diverse that characters could be wildly different from one another. But crappy games like Morrowind and Oblivion had character systems in which almost every character could do everything any other character could do.

I mean, I can remember things like Durlag's Tower, the fight in the Duchal Palace, the numerous assassin parties,the first time I encountered basilisks, and much more from just Baldur's Gate 1. Bethesda games don't have good gameplay moments like this. Gameplay is boring filler for the most part in them to just disseminate more lore and background. It's kind of cool to look back on and soak up, but kind of isn't very fun to play. Hell, I kinda regret the hours I put in on Morrowind instead of just reading the fucking UESP. Sure,it's not the same, but Morrowind was a grand waste of time. I could have done better things with my time than waste it looking for good stuff in sandbox full of boring crap.

 

[Volourn]

"Bioware are honestly just as bad if not worse than Bethesda, this game isn't even worthy of discussion."
idiot. the fact you actually think KOTOR is better than BIO's other games says a lot since it is their worst (barring SOU, an expansion).

And, Bethesda games are uniformly SOZZY. No gaming company has ever made such a collection of crappy, overrated pieces of junk like Beth has.

 

[A user named cat]

Atmospheric, sure. But playable? You've gotta be kidding me.

Great atmosphere provides playability, otherwise what would games like Silent Hill be? Would've never even spawned a sequel without that factor and was judged primarily on its gameplay mechanics. The combat wasn't exactly good in Beth's earlier games, but it was adequate for FPS melee and you were provided with much to explore that was semi-interesting. Where as with a Bio game, you're always given dull combat, gay character cliches and nothing remotely intriguing to uncover to keep you going.

Not saying I'm a Beth fan (which should be obvious) or that I even finished Daggerfall/Morrowind (which I didn't), but what I am saying is that Bio deserves the same treatment as them. Mass Effect, Oblivion, Jade Empire, Fallout 3 and NWN should be tossed into the same exact pile of mule shit that should just be burned and forgotten.

idiot. the fact you actually think KOTOR is better than BIO's other games says a lot since it is their worst (barring SOU, an expansion).

Why do you even post on these forums? You only seem to show up and cry like a bleeding vagina whenever Bioware is mentioned. 11,000+ posts of hissing and crappy game defending? Be more of a hermit, Bio plant. Get some sun.

 

[Volourn]

L0LZ

 

[A user named cat]

Oh, you're just a troll that can't defend his loserness. Bioware haters wahh :'(

 

[The Feral Kid]

but what I am saying is that Bio deserves the same treatment as them.

I stopped playing JE 2 hours into the game, haven't played or care to play ME, and I'm indifferent to DA:O. Even however if you don't like Bio's games much, it's another thing leveling them to the level of Beth. Rock bottom.

Bio are responsible for one of the finest isometric engines to date that spawned a series of classics based on that very engine. A combat system that is functional and fun without losing its strategic depth that became standard in the genre and adopted by other devs too (BI/Obsidian)

Initiated the NWN franchise that although the game itself was mediocre at best, its influence was way beyond a bad OC by spawning a slightly better sequel and a couple of good expansions, and of course the tons of user-submitted content/mods that make it one of the most lively and active communities. Not to mention the up and coming Black Hound and Mysteries of Westgate.

Kotor much better imo than NWN OC, unfortunately was abused at the hands of Obsidian, who despite having their work cut out for them (engine/levels) they still managed to fuck it up, which resulted in the demise of the franchise (as single-player).

Also all their D&D/SW property based games managed to capture the atmosphere of these particular game-worlds nicely.

What Beth have to show for all that? Mudcrabs, V.A.T.S, curative fluids, and games that have the atmosphere of an empty barn with a horse turd in the middle.

 

[Warden]

Not to mention the up and coming Black Hound and Mysteries of Westgate.

Not to mention that's not related to biow. in any possible way.

 

[The Feral Kid]

Not to mention the up and coming Black Hound and Mysteries of Westgate.

Not to mention that's not related to biow. in any possible way.

Not to mention that you're a moron who can't read a sentence as part of its context. We're talking about the long-term influence of the series and not Bio's direct involvement which is limited and not notable (NWN OC mostly as even the expansions for NWN 1 weren't even by them). Still, no Bioware, no IE, no PS:T, no Aurora, no Black Hound, no MoW, no MotB and probably no Obsidian.

 

[Warden]

Not to mention that you're a moron who can't read a sentence as part of its context. We're talking about the long-term influence of the series and not Bio's direct involvement which is limited and not notable (NWN OC mostly as even the expansions for NWN 1 weren't even by them). Still, no Bioware, no IE, no PS:T, no Aurora, no Black Hound, no MoW, no MotB and probably no Obsidian.

Ignoring your standard language (you can't do better than that, can you? ) I'd like to point out that your arguments are completely ridiculous. Just because biow. did a prequel it doesn't mean they're in any way meritorious of potential good sequels made by completely different companies.
NWN1 and NWN2 share.... nothing but the name.

Yes, no biow. no that (under those names, probably). There would be something else.
Just like; no random whore and random idiot no fecal kid.
Ok sorry, I wanted to be polite but your posts scream "insult me back".

 

[Volourn]

"Oh, you're just a troll that can't defend his loserness."

L0LZ You obviously haven't read the Codex. I defend my loserness all the time. R00fles!


"even the expansions for NWN 1 weren't even by them"

What an idiot.


"NWN1 and NWN2 share.... nothing but the name."

That's absolutel;y bullshit. They share an engine, character system, combat system, and the list goes on.


"Kotor much better imo than NWN OC"

No. It might be a LITTLE better. It's horrid combat drags it down big though.

 

[Warden]

They share an engine*, character system, combat system, and the list goes on.

So does every other D&D game.

*Not.

 

[Volourn]

Yes. hence, why i tend to like most D&D based games except the really SOZZY ones.

 

[The Feral Kid]

No abusive/mentally challenged brother raping his ex-alcoholic and now long-dead sister No Gay Warden

Fixed.

Which explains your inability to comprehend simple concepts

"even the expansions for NWN 1 weren't even by them"

What an idiot.

(Scratches with enjoyment imaginary paperwork in Voulourn's face and then feeds it to him)

"Shadows of Undrentide is being developed by Floodgate, a new studio formed by several former employees of Looking Glass, which was best known for its outstanding games Thief: The Dark Project and System Shock 2."

Bon Appetit.

 

[Volourn]

BIO developed SOU. FG were chired to develop it but were fired by BIO mid devlopment because BIO felt they were doing a SOZZY job. The final SOU product was largely done by 3 seperate BIO devs (Mr. Gaider did ch1, IIRC, and the guy who did Witche's Wake did ch2) over the course of a month or so.

Dumbass.

 

[The Feral Kid]

The final SOU product was largely done by 3 seperate BIO devs (Mr. Gaider did ch1, IIRC, and the guy who did Witche's Wake did ch2) over the course of a month or so.

So what you say basically is they finished the game within a month starting from scratch, after dumping all previous work by Floodgate. Well it makes sense you believing that, you're stupid enough to do so.

So according to you:

Gaider + some guy who wasn't even a Bio employee = Bioware

Bio did this with the least involvement/resources possible.


Anyway, that Gaider guy must have been really prolific back then to finish an entire chapter within a month. Seems after that his muse abandoned him for taking more than four years to write DA.

 

[Volourn]

From scratch? No; but for the most part, yeah. I think most of Fg's work that remain were the new inventory item models, special/spell effects, various scripts and what not.
Story/character wise? Yup. Pretty much all BIO. Why do you think Gaider gets credit/blame for Deekin? I didn't know Gaider was a FG employee. R00fles!

P.S. Let me guess, your lame quote was from well before SOU's release or by some ignorant turd who heard some quip about FG being hired for SOU, and never figured out thye got shitcanned. Fg was pretty prolific on the BIO SOU boards at first then all of assuden they vanished. Why? THEY GOT SHITCANNED.


"Gaider + some guy who wasn't even a Bio employee = Bioware"

WW guy was/is a BIO empoylee. Dumbass. IIRC, I think it's Rob Bartel but not 100% sure as he's no Gaider when it comes to being important.

And, there was a 3rd chapter (an interlude inbetween ch1 and ch2) that was done by another BIO dink; but I can't be bothered to remmeber his name because he doesn't spam forums. LMAO

 

[The Feral Kid]

From scratch? No; but for the most part

Most part being one month as opposed to several of Floodgate's?

I think most of Fg's work that remain were the new inventory item models, special/spell effects, various scripts and what not.

Which brings us to the "most" part. Thanks for proving my point

WW guy was/is a BIO empoylee. Dumbass. IIRC, I think it's Rob Bartel but not 100% sure as he's no Gaider when it comes to being important.

Sounds more like a rally of a second rate employee, a fan/modder that was baptised "dev" within a night "cause we're short on people", and Gaider who is always wherever there's need being either writer/developer or a janitor at Bio. I wonder if his insurance covers for that.

Let me guess, your lame quote was from well before SOU's release

Once again you are full of crap. It's actually two updates one month before the release and Floodgate is still mentioned as the leading force behind it

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/neverwin ... e=previews

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/neverwin ... e=previews

Moron.

 

[kris]

Atmospheric, sure. But playable? You've gotta be kidding me.

Great atmosphere provides playability, otherwise what would games like Silent Hill be?

I would say the Bioware games are much more atmospheric than the Bethesda ones. Bioware games manage to portray a more realistic world with great detail. Problem is just that the game world is a tunnel. Kotor had some really nice locations, Jade empire too.

For Bethesda only Morrowind stand out because of the setting. Fallout3 have some nice locations, but suffers from everything looking the same. don't start me on what I saw in Oblivion.

 

[Volourn]

"Sounds more like a rally of a second rate employee, a fan/modder that was baptised "dev" within a night "cause we're short on people", and Gaider who is always wherever there's need being either writer/developer or a janitor at Bio. I wonder if his insurance covers for that."

Rob Bartel was not some fan modder. He was a full fledcge BIO employee who was put on the Live Team. WW was canceleed largely because of him being moved to work on SOU because of FG being shitcanned.


All your two links prove is how igorant Gamepsot was. Notice how no (recent or otherwise) quotes from either BIO or FG are in either quotes. It is just spammed memorzied feature lists that was probably released months before that. LMAO

No matter hwo much you cry, BIO developed SOU and deserve praise or blame for its successes and/or failures.

 

[A user named cat]

I stopped playing JE 2 hours into the game, haven't played or care to play ME, and I'm indifferent to DA:O. Even however if you don't like Bio's games much, it's another thing leveling them to the level of Beth. Rock bottom.

I'm comparing them on the basis of good/bad games they're responsible for, which would make them basically even. They both generally make shitty games that all end up feeling the same. So it's quite the fair comparison in the end.

Bio are responsible for one of the finest isometric engines to date...

I could've sworn we were discussing games developed, not what engines each company created. Silly to judge a developer based on an engine they made, considering games like Planescape Torment probably could've used some other iso engine that was out there. Hell, if a few of those games had chosen a different engine we might not have had such pathfinding headaches and other nuissances.

What Beth have to show for all that? Mudcrabs, V.A.T.S, curative fluids, and games that have the atmosphere of an empty barn with a horse turd in the middle.

Beth has Morrowind and Daggerfall (forget Arena), which were decent games. Bioware has BG II and Kotor, which were also decent. I'd say that puts them on equal levels, as the rest of the games each company developed were either mediocre or flat out garbage.

 

[Volourn]

"Beth has Morrowind and Daggerfall (forget Arena), which were decent games."

Both of these are absolutely agrbage.

And,t he fact you think KOTOR is one of BIO's best games shows how much of a joke your opinion is.

 

[A user named cat]

What is "agrbage"? And,t? Are you dyslexic or flat out retarded? Spellcheck hard!

Even in saying Kotor is one of their best, it still wasn't exactly good or great. Meaning the games you're alluding to as their best stuff are either terrible or extremely mediocre. What was that about joke opinions? Does Bio pay you for coming here?