Let's Read Heroes Never End (LR: WildStorm)

[Sergiu64]

What is this, I don't even....

 

[SCO]

Skipped them all.

 

[Sceptic]

OK, I really have to ask:

Vaarna, what do you think of all this stuff you've been posting? What's your opinion on the various Authority storylines? Do you actually LIKE any of this stuff?

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

I like most of the stuff, but I dislike the Transfer of Power storyline (though that's pretty much everyone's opinion, as it was basically Millar causing a shitty heavy-handed change and leaving Peyer to figure out what to do with it). Though in my personal opinion, the high point comes with Robbie Morrison's run and Ed Brubaker's The Authority: Revolution.

 

[Stereotypical Villain]

Hey, I like it... even if it can be derpy. Let's see what lies ahead.

 

[Sceptic]

I dislike the Transfer of Power storyline

Oh good. Because that's some of the most heavy handed WTFisthisshit I've seen.

I'll never understand this obsession some comics have with continuity. I mean, I love continuity, but sometimes they just need to let go. On the one hand they want their continuity, they want things to be set in the same universe, they want the new arc to pick after the other, and on the other hand they're bored with the old cast and want a new one, so they go about finding the most convoluted way (because finding a non-convoluted explanation for why a bunch of superheroes that can KILL GOD get offed in a few panels is impossible) to get rid of them and replace them with a new one that then proceeds to have the exact same type of adventure.

Just start a completely new universe FFS! Or, if you're too attached to the current one, replace the cast one at a time rather than in such a stupid way. First the Aliens, and now this Seth thing. WTF?

I wouldn't really have cared if there weren't some genuinely good fun to be had in some of the elements, but that gets drowned by the derp they keep introducing.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

A good thing is that the number of sentences that reference Seth after this can be counted with one finger.

But yea, I'd say that Seth is by far the worst thing in Transfer of Power, since it breaks continuity and suspension of disbelief to such a degree (yea, you can create a superhuman on par with two that have been created by THE SMARTEST MAN IN HISTORY just by throwing money at it). But yea, generally everyone just tries to ignore the fact Transfer of Power even exists.

It's also semi-responsible for the apex of shitness Mark Millar has managed to reach since, due to the fact this storyline is the reason why he's exclusive on Marvel. You see, the last arc of the storyline contained rather harsh critique of the War on Terror and satired Bush directly, but Paul Levitz, president of DC at the time (DC had just bought WildStorm as a part of their masterplan to get Alan Moore working for them again), took this very personally and went apeshit on the issue and Millar for daring to offend his political views. Suffice to say, this pissed Millar off and as a result the guy only works for Marvel to spite DC.


Well, at least it has CHAPLAIN ACTION, HE-MAN OF THE CLOTH!

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

 

[Stereotypical Villain]

Uuuuuuuuuurrrrrrgggghhhhhhh...

 

[HanoverF]

of Art Adams

 

[Quilty]

I've tried to get into Planetary, Authority and Stormwatch multiple times, but something about the banality of the stories, the bland characters and occasional violence for violence's sake just puts me off. What's supposed to be the appeal of these comics? I mean, it's not like they're really playing with the genre, trying new things. Not that I've gotten too far, but most of it just feels like superhero comics that don't try to do anything new. Then again, maybe that should be enough and I'm just too picky.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

banality of the stories, the bland characters and occasional violence for violence's sake just puts me off.

What you wrote there is simply nowhere to be found in Planetary. Planetary is great because of the metafiction, story, the character of Elijah Snow and the fact it still manages to be fun to read.

As for Authority and StormWatch, it's simply the fact that they're essentially the comic book equivalent of great big budget action movies.

 

[Kashmir Slippers]

I'm curious. How did the other Hawk-chick and the Surgeon die? It looks like the Surgeon may have been shot in one picture, but the girl just goes slack. Am I missing something?

 

[Quilty]

I guess I should read more Planetary then. What you said about the other two being more like action movies rings true, though I'm finding it harder and harder to read comics that are like that. The last I read that fit into that category was probably Hellboy, though it's a terribly flawed comic which never really knows if it wants to tell a story or just show well-drawn dudes punching each other in imaginative settings.

 

[Sceptic]

A good thing is that the number of sentences that reference Seth after this can be counted with one finger.

Says Vaarna minutes before posting another whole damn thing with Seth

generally everyone just tries to ignore the fact Transfer of Power even exists.

I was wondering what you meant, until you posted the new one. This last one made me go double the WTF. All the deus ex machina to get rid of the old Authority, only to have to introduce even MORE DEM to get them back. What the hell?

And, as much as I dislike Bush and the War on Terror demagogy, the whole thing was FAAAAAAAAAAAR too heavy-handed.

Anyway this is in no way an attack against you for posting the stuff. Some of the worst games can be made into the best LP's, same here. It is all a valuable learning experience Besides some of these are fun in a mindless summer blockbuster kind of way.

 

[HanoverF]

Enjoyment of Planetary is somewhat tied to knowledge of the pastiche of the issue.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

A good thing is that the number of sentences that reference Seth after this can be counted with one finger.

Says Vaarna minutes before posting another whole damn thing with Seth

generally everyone just tries to ignore the fact Transfer of Power even exists.

I was wondering what you meant, until you posted the new one. This last one made me go double the WTF. All the deus ex machina to get rid of the old Authority, only to have to introduce even MORE DEM to get them back. What the hell?

And, as much as I dislike Bush and the War on Terror demagogy, the whole thing was FAAAAAAAAAAAR too heavy-handed.

Anyway this is in no way an attack against you for posting the stuff. Some of the worst games can be made into the best LP's, same here. It is all a valuable learning experience Besides some of these are fun in a mindless summer blockbuster kind of way.

When I spoke of Transfer of Power, I meant the whole thing (it's what the TPB of these is called). Now that this arc is over, it will be swept under the rug. After this, I can only remember a single instance in which Seth is referenced.

Anyway, no offense taken since I highly dislike these two storylines myself due to all the DEM and heavy-handed bullshit. Though in case of the last one, at least it had that conversation the hillbillies were having.


PS: Rush appears to have been impaled by the head, since she's hanging from the wall by it.

 

[Stereotypical Villain]

They should have kept the Colonel.

 

[Stereotypical Villain]

Moaar.

 

[praetor]

piccies no workie on the first pages (not sure about the number, but i'm certain the first 3 don't work). it says they're too popular to be seen on the 'dex or something..

 

[Haba]

I guess there just are no happy endings, eh?

Seeing those faggots suffer gave me the greatest bit of enjoyment this shitty series ever had.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Speaking of moar...

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]