I'm not going to play a Paladin I'm not going to play a Pala

[kingcomrade]

Ok I found my disks and re-installed D2 LOD. Every time I play this game I end up making a paladin and getting frost aura and zeal, so I'm not going to do that. I am going to play classes I have never really tried. I think melee classes in D2 all play pretty much the same way (life leech and just click your way through crowds) so I will play casters.

I intend to try a caster druid and a trapsadin (I really like this class and I've played it before but I don't think I got very far).

I always thought Javelin Amazons sucked, do they?

 

[Stereotypical Villain]

Re: I'm not going to play a Paladin I'm not going to play a

I always thought Javelin Amazons sucked, do they?

Yes, but only if you buy them enough drinks first.

 

[BirdsCanFly]

Java Ama only sucks against Lightning Immunity, she rapes everything else. Especially with the one piercing unique belt.

 

[Micmu]

Make a poison+lightning fury zon, that one rapes everything. I easily torn Hell apart solo with one (on hardcore).

 

[Paperclip]

What's a trapsadin? Do you mean trapsin? I prefer her sister K/T (kicker/trapper) sin because her play style is more involving as a hybrid melee-er and you can tinker with your equips more (not just +X to skills). A K/T sin build:

martial art:
dragon talon: 20 (or just enough to reach 4 kicks with equips - require some planning)
dragon flight: 1

shadow discipline:
venom: 20
mind blast: 1
shadow warrior/master: 20 (optional)

traps:
fire blast: 3
death sentry: 20
lighting sentry: you can put the rest of your skill points here

Equipments: lots of crushing blow (your main source of damage at hell difficulty) and IAS (increase attack speed) for your kicks.

Play style involves getting close to a pack of enemies (don't forget your 1 pt burst of speed buff), cast cloak of shadows, lay 2-3 death sentry traps, dragon flight+kick kick kick, and watch them get blown apart. For bosses just kick them to death (don't forget to equip crushing blow items).

As for casters, I like necro the most because his skill sets is the most interesting, though for an untwinked char, he's not the strongest. Make a fishymancer (20 raise skeleton, 20 skeleton mastery, 1 summon resist, 20 corpse explosion, 1 to each curses (amplify damage as your main curse), and get the act 2 might merc) for a decent and safe untwinked necro build.

 

[RatFink]

i always like playing a summon necromancer the most!
granted its not the most action you would get but it is awesome haveng some golem, a skeleton army and revived demons do your bidding!

 

[Jive One]

Make a poison+lightning fury zon, that one rapes everything. I easily torn Hell apart solo with one (on hardcore).

Yes. HELL yes.

Except I'd use freezing arrow instead of poison. Zons are just an all-around awesome class and my favorite in D2.

Fishymancers are fun too, although less engaging.

 

[Xi]

Mt favorite character ever was a summoning Necromancer. Once you get Enigma and the weapon that adds fanaticism aura for your helper, you are practically invincible. There's something cool about teleporting around yourself and 40 minions.

There's nothing this character can't kill, but sometimes things will kill your minions so quickly that you wonder wtf happened. Still, pretty buff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ2aGhOB ... re=related

Also, wolf druids with uber gear do insane damage.

Every class has a viable build that is impressive, but they all take varying amounts of gear and cookie cutter skill placements that it boils down to how much time you are willing to invest. It probably takes a good 2 weeks of online play before you are viable.

 

[Overweight Manatee]

I can't imagine how simple people must be to play through 3 difficulty levels with the exact same character, spamming the exact same skills for 90% of the game. How I wish there was another H&S in the lines of Diablo 1, where normal difficulty was actually hard and not something you got run through on your way to super-hard-hell-demonic-ultra difficulty.

If you want a fun Diablo 1 mod to change the game and up the difficulty to a level challenging enough for an experienced player, play The Hell

 

[Zed]

Go Hydra/Meteor(/Firewall?) Sorceress. Fun times! + you get teleportation.

 

[Damned Registrations]

For anyone else who plays D2 mods, I just found something freaking awesome.

Mod manager system that lets you install a shitton of good mods all at once and swa between them with no fuss, keeping saves/stashes/etc all separated.

 

[MaskedMartyr]

Re: I'm not going to play a Paladin I'm not going to play a

Ok I found my disks and re-installed D2 LOD. Every time I play this game I end up making a paladin and getting frost aura and zeal, so I'm not going to do that. I am going to play classes I have never really tried. I think melee classes in D2 all play pretty much the same way (life leech and just click your way through crowds) so I will play casters.

I intend to try a caster druid and a trapsadin (I really like this class and I've played it before but I don't think I got very far).

I always thought Javelin Amazons sucked, do they?

The first character I ever played was a zeal pally. I didn't twink or anything but I would farm for that stupid set with the warsword and gloves and something else for lifeleech and health on hit. I got my ass RAPED in act 2. Then I had to fight Diablo and it turns out what I needed was resists. But I pushed on. It took me 2 hours of dying to kill diablo but I did it.

I play median mod instead so at least I can be mobile while zealing (as a necro wat).

also melee necros on classic lod 4 life homie

 

[Destroid]

I can't imagine how simple people must be to play through 3 difficulty levels with the exact same character, spamming the exact same skills for 90% of the game. How I wish there was another H&S in the lines of Diablo 1, where normal difficulty was actually hard and not something you got run through on your way to super-hard-hell-demonic-ultra difficulty.

If you want a fun Diablo 1 mod to change the game and up the difficulty to a level challenging enough for an experienced player, play The Hell

Use a trainer to skip to hell. Of course, its really hard at first because you have no good items.

But D2 sucks anyway, go play something else.

 

[Markman]

I reinstalled it a few months ago when I got a netbook to check if it would work and played a bit and then stopped when I noticed that I couldn't stack potions. Fuckers took like third of the inventory.

 

[Kraszu]

Use a trainer to skip to hell. Of course, its really hard at first because you have no good items.

But D2 sucks anyway, go play something else.

I had made lvl1 Sorcess set in Hero editor normal/nm to be completed, run around in hell brough + 3 level fb stick, it would took forever to kill anything so I had tried nm, killed Zombie in 5 minutes, and got 52exp FUUU, wtf isn't that nothing for lvl 25-30 char that should be there? Editing had messed something up or what?

Oh fuck that:
http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Experienc ... r_Level_25 meh, anyway x20 still would be slow 1040 for a Zombie? So what is the lowest reasonable lvl? Also any way to set it fast so that my hp/mana/stamina etc would set itself?

 

[Yeesh]

Re: I'm not going to play a Paladin I'm not going to play a

I always thought Javelin Amazons sucked, do they?

I couldn't tell you as of 1.11, but they used to have their moments. What's wonderful about Diablo 2 is that Blizzard has updated it for ten years and has shaken things up from time to time. No one would say that the classes are balanced, but they've tried to make a whole lot of builds viable.

Here's a list of guides from what I think is one of the most active communities, which could help you find info that's current to the latest patch:

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=25806417&f=87

 

[Mangoose]

I can't play an twitch game where I have to click to move around. Fucking dumb.

 

[CrimHead]

So on RPGcodex the Diablo games stand as pinnacles of good gameplay while the Baldur's Gate games get criticized to no end? Sounds logical.

 

[Xor]

Yes CrimHead, 5 people posting in this thread and 5 entirely different people posting in another thread dictate the attitudes and opinions of everyone on the Codex. Except you, of course.

 

[DriacKin]

Diablo is indeed the pinnacle of good action-RPG combat.

 

[Serious_Business]

Diablo is indeed the pinnacle of good action-RPG combat.

Yeah. As for BG, it's its pretentions of being tactical and complex that brings it down. Supposedly RTwP combat is "a compromise between action and turned based play", but in fact, it's just shit. At best you click and watch, at worst it's a clusterfuck. Diablo has no pretentions of being complex or deep, on the other hand, but ironically the gameplay is still more challenging than BG. I don't know, as far as I'm concerned they're both shit of course so it doesn't really matter that much, to me Diablo is just a time-waster and that's fine, whereas infinity engine combat is a missed opportunity, which makes it all the more frustrating

 

[Paperclip]

Diablo is indeed the pinnacle of good action-RPG combat.

For iso arpgs, I give Nox this title for the gameplay mechanics (interactive objects, fast paced even more twitchy than D2, more character control, line of sight, and more seamless transition between "levels").

But Diablo 2 is unbeatable in its huge number of itemz and somewhat interesting skill pool thus the best in build/character customization.

For skills, I'm partial to Titan Quest's mechanics, though the skill effects aren't particularly spectacular.

 

[Overweight Manatee]

Diablo is indeed the pinnacle of good action-RPG combat.

For iso arpgs, I give Nox this title for the gameplay mechanics (interactive objects, fast paced even more twitchy than D2, more character control, line of sight, and more seamless transition between "levels").

I absolutely agree. Nox was the Unreal Tournament of H&S games. Fucking awesome online till EA fucked over Westwood. Diablo has nothing on Nox other then massive scale.

Use a trainer to skip to hell. Of course, its really hard at first because you have no good items.

But D2 sucks anyway, go play something else.

I thought the main attraction of H&S games was slowly developing your character to awesomeness over time. If you skip right to hell difficulty you are left with... Mephisto runs x 1000.

 

[kingcomrade]

I hate Diablo 2 character guides, they're often unreadable and are mostly about the equipment to get rather than the skills you want to use and why.

 

[mister_matt]

Hey guys, remember the cow level?