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[Sovard]

You can have those wonderful discussions and quotefests you enjoy so much.

As opposed to all those other things you can do on forums? Oh yeah, Pete-bashing one-liners.

I guess I'm the only one who sees the humor of it all. I encouraged him to do it, but that;s besides the point.

The point being he's now calling RPGCodex a "news/review" site, and his forum is a "game development" board. Which would explain his General Discussion, Book section, etc. Only one sub-forum out of five is fully related to his game. Basically, he turned the Codex from an intelligent discussion site into a "news/review" site with his content attracting fanboys and lulzers (rather than the people he really wanted), and instead of seeding intelligent discussion here, he puts in there.

Perhaps I'm the only one who sees it...

Anyway, I'm done, back to Tcancer. Maybe I'll be conscripted into the SGLF. :motherland:

 

[xedoc gpr]

It was all a conspiracy.

 

[Brother None]

instead of seeding intelligent discussion here

I don't think that's his job, since he's not officially related to the Codex in any way.

Also, good move, VD, and one I encourage quite a while ago. Your final motives are your own, but my original arguments as to why AoD should have its own forum (primo reason: to cultivate its own community, rather than the Codex') still stands.

Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Vault Dweller]

The point being he's now calling RPGCodex a "news/review" site, and his forum is a "game development" board. Which would explain his General Discussion, Book section, etc. Only one sub-forum out of five is fully related to his game.

Isn't that a standard practice?
http://forums.obsidianent.com/ - 10 forums, only two related the their games.

http://www.basiliskgames.com/forums/ - they had 3 forums until recently, only one related to their game. And so on.

Basically, he turned the Codex from an intelligent discussion site into a "news/review" site...

The Codex is certainly both, but the difference between the Codex and a general discussion site is the front page: analytical news reporting, blunt interviews, and critical, informative reviews. Similarly the difference between AoD forums and a general discussion site is the game development angle. Am I incorrect?

... with his content attracting fanboys and lulzers (rather than the people he really wanted)

I don't believe I've ever said that, but I'm sure you know better.

...and instead of seeding intelligent discussion here, he puts in there.

Perhaps I'm the only one who sees it...

My vision for the Codex was different. Other admins didn't share it. Do we really need to discuss it again?

 

[Sovard]

The point being he's now calling RPGCodex a "news/review" site, and his forum is a "game development" board. Which would explain his General Discussion, Book section, etc. Only one sub-forum out of five is fully related to his game.

Isn't that a standard practice?
http://forums.obsidianent.com/ - 10 forums, only two related the their games.

http://www.basiliskgames.com/forums/ - they had 3 forums until recently, only one related to their game. And so on.

Right, though I'm using your descriptions of these boards, and the Iron Tower boards as a reference point. You are clearly trying to make those forums the "Codex as it were"- which isn't a bad thing at all. I just wanted to point it out.

Basically, he turned the Codex from an intelligent discussion site into a "news/review" site...

The Codex is certainly both, but the difference between the Codex and a general discussion site is the front page: analytical news reporting, blunt interviews, and critical, informative reviews. Similarly the difference between AoD forums and a general discussion site is the game development angle. Am I incorrect?

Again, I was just referencing your own descriptions of the two forums. We both know the Codex is more than you're making it out to be, though your descriptions seemed rather snide. As much game development discussion as we've had here, the only difference between the two would be a direct link to AoD itself (and it's mechanics/developers), rather than the "game development angle" as you said. RPG discussion (including mechanics, pitfalls, etc.) has always been a large part of the Codex. It is not, nor will it be, solely a "news, etc." site.

... with his content attracting fanboys and lulzers (rather than the people he really wanted)

I don't believe I've ever said that, but I'm sure you know better.

Yeah, I sure do... sigh. Such vain attempts to swagger about on a message board. I never put words in your mouth, but you seem to want me to. Interesting tactic, indeed...

If you deny that you want the old Codex archetype rather than the ESF refugee, you're only fooling yourself. You've implied as to such regularly. Implied being the key there, tiger.

...and instead of seeding intelligent discussion here, he puts in there.

Perhaps I'm the only one who sees it...

My vision for the Codex was different. Other admins didn't share it. Do we really need to discuss it again?

Ah... no, wasn't trying to fan any flames. As I said before, I support your efforts. In fact, I was one of the most vocal on you having your own forums for AoD. Your insane vision of a "Codex reborn!!!1" aside, there were many other aspects not agreed with by some site regulars (though you still had the majority). The admins may have more pull, but the regulars make up a much larger portion of the site than the admins. Who would want to lord over a ghost town?

In the spirit of not turning this thread into something it wasn't meant to be, I will now bow out. Good day to you sir.

 

[Amasius]

By the way, I'm not looking to quote back and forth ad nauseam... please use the ego sparingly this time.

Oh, the irony!

 

[xedoc gpr]

Let's take bets on whether he's going to post again or not this time.

 

[fastpunk]

Vault Dweller sends news that the <A HREF="http://www.irontowerstudio.com/">Iron Tower Studio</A> has opened its very own <A HREF="http://www.irontowerstudio.com/forum/">forum</A>.!

All black. Who died?

 

[Nick]

All black. Who died?

"All white. Who married?"

Why not black? My favourite colour :wink:
Besides, you have other themes to choose from.

 

[Vault Dweller]

You are clearly trying to make those forums the "Codex as it were"- which isn't a bad thing at all. I just wanted to point it out.

The forums aspect? Yes.

...rather than the "game development angle" as you said.

The game development angle implies that design discussions will actually influence game development (AoD and any other games that may follow), while the Codex design discussions were mostly abstract.

If you deny that you want the old Codex archetype ...

I don't.

...there were many other aspects not agreed with by some site regulars (though you still had the majority)...
The admins may have more pull, but the regulars make up a much larger portion of the site than the admins. Who would want to lord over a ghost town?

How did you get to the ghost town from "you still had the majority"?

Good day to you sir.

And to you, good sir.

 

[Lumpy]

If you deny that you want the old Codex archetype ...

I don't.

You don't what?

 

[xedoc gpr]

If you deny that you want the old Codex archetype ...

I don't.

You don't what?

He doesn't deny that he wants the old Codex archetype.

Are you blind or just stupid?

 

[DarkUnderlord]

You don't what?

Are you blind or just stupid?

I vote he's both. All those in favour say aye.

 

[themadhatter114]

You don't what?

Are you blind or just stupid?

I vote he's both. All those in favour say aye.

Or maybe you two are not familiar with common usage of the English language. Since when someone says "if you deny that you want" and then you respond with "I don't" it's ambiguous whether it is in reference to that denial or it is itself the denial. Can I vote on who is blind and stupid?

 

[xedoc gpr]

In a case of ambiguity you can use this thing called common sense to figure out what the poster means. It works 99% of the time.

 

[Helton]

Or maybe you two are not familiar with common usage of the English language.

Who?

 

[themadhatter114]

In a case of ambiguity you can use this thing called common sense to figure out what the poster means. It works 99% of the time.

Not really. If you're asking a question that you don't know the answer to in such a way that a simple yes or no or an 'I don't' is ambiguous, typically you need to rephrase the question to get a clear answer. It's a simple of matter of the ambiguity of mixing positives and negatives within a single question. Common sense doesn't apply if you didn't know the answer to the question to begin with and get an ambiguous answer. So your attack just makes you look like an ignorant asshole.

 

[Rhett Butler]

Sad thing that's out of VD's (and would be out of anyone else's for what it's worth) control is that the place already has several "fanboys". I could spot such posts of three of them with just a brief look in a thread or two. Considering that fanboys usually tend to be morons, I don't think VD would pull a "quote-fest" with anyone on Iron Tower forums either. It would nice to see that I turn out wrong, though.

Anyone remember this classic?

 

[spacemoose]

come on now, you can't take things said on the internet personally rhett. you'll wake up in the looney bin one of these days otherwise.

 

[Rhett Butler]

come on now, you can't take things said on the internet personally rhett. you'll wake up in the looney bin one of these days otherwise.

I doubt I was actually mad. For the past three weeks or so I have been somewhere else... I remember little and regret nothing, but it does feel good to be back.

 

[curry]

are the forums down??

 

[Angelo85]

Work fine for me. Maybe they IP banned you?

 

[curry]

Work fine for me. Maybe they IP banned you?

Unlikely, I don't even have an account there.

It just gives me "The connection has timed out" error.

 

[larpingdude18]

It just gives me "The connection has timed out" error.

same here

 

[Lumpy]

In a case of ambiguity you can use this thing called common sense to figure out what the poster means. It works 99% of the time.

This is not one of those cases. If VD had outright said that he wanted to emulate the old Codex, Sovard's question - "If you deny..." - would be absurd. Hence, it is reasonably to assume that VD was being ambiguous regarding the issue in previous posts, so his "I don't" could be taken either way.