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Just got Fallout
- Thread starter El Dee
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MisterStone
Arcane
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Tagging energy weapons can make the game reallly easy...
I remember the first char I ran through Fallout I. I had already won Fallout II, so I didn't care too much about character and skill development, or challenging combat, I knew all about that already from playing Fallout II. So I decided to just make my character a super-munchkin.
I vaguely remember starting out with energy weapons tagged, and then getting the finesse and one-hander traits, then getting perks to improve shot speed, criticals, accuracy (I had high AG, and Luck). THEN, the real kicker, I managed to stumble across the crashed flying saucer special encounter, and got my hands on the alien blaster. By the end of the game I was wading through the final compound turning everything into piles of dust, usually two in a single combat round.
When I first won Fallout II (this was my first exposure to Fallout- no pun intended) I built an unarmed combat character who was strong (yes, I realize that this wasn't really necesarry), had a high INT, also specialized in medical skills, and eventually tagged heavy weapons through a perk. This character probably wasn't the best-designed, but it was still a lot of fun! Having a high doctor skill gave him access to a sweet perk that raised HtH damage, and he of course also got perks to increase action points, give better criticals, etc., so he was kind of bad-ass by the end. Still, I am sure that being good with small guns or energy weapons would make a more deadly character.
Too bad the trend in games these days seems to be towards making PC stats, combat and tactical features more simple (developers like to say things like "We don't want to get all bogged down in statistics- we remove everything that isn't fun!"), because developing characters according to a certain play style was a big part of what made Fallout fun!
I definitely buy the whole line about console games dumming things down.
I remember the first char I ran through Fallout I. I had already won Fallout II, so I didn't care too much about character and skill development, or challenging combat, I knew all about that already from playing Fallout II. So I decided to just make my character a super-munchkin.
I vaguely remember starting out with energy weapons tagged, and then getting the finesse and one-hander traits, then getting perks to improve shot speed, criticals, accuracy (I had high AG, and Luck). THEN, the real kicker, I managed to stumble across the crashed flying saucer special encounter, and got my hands on the alien blaster. By the end of the game I was wading through the final compound turning everything into piles of dust, usually two in a single combat round.
When I first won Fallout II (this was my first exposure to Fallout- no pun intended) I built an unarmed combat character who was strong (yes, I realize that this wasn't really necesarry), had a high INT, also specialized in medical skills, and eventually tagged heavy weapons through a perk. This character probably wasn't the best-designed, but it was still a lot of fun! Having a high doctor skill gave him access to a sweet perk that raised HtH damage, and he of course also got perks to increase action points, give better criticals, etc., so he was kind of bad-ass by the end. Still, I am sure that being good with small guns or energy weapons would make a more deadly character.
Too bad the trend in games these days seems to be towards making PC stats, combat and tactical features more simple (developers like to say things like "We don't want to get all bogged down in statistics- we remove everything that isn't fun!"), because developing characters according to a certain play style was a big part of what made Fallout fun!
I definitely buy the whole line about console games dumming things down.
Being a muchkin in Fallout was kinda fun since you needed to spend time and learn just how to get everything maxed and play the game out instead of just endlessly kill monsters.
I think in Fallout 2, if you play right you can get 10s in all but 1 or 2 stats (and even then have an 8 or 9(. I had written down how to once a long time ago, but I lost the paper and dont remember.
I think in Fallout 2, if you play right you can get 10s in all but 1 or 2 stats (and even then have an 8 or 9(. I had written down how to once a long time ago, but I lost the paper and dont remember.
bryce777
Erudite
LlamaGod said:
Shit, how could you do that?
Jason
chasing a bee
falche
glasnost
Augur
gifted + bruiser/small frame + each stat increase perk + zeta scans + statboosting surgery (I don't recall which computer operates on you) + powerarmor + sunglasses.
I know a guy who did it, or came close, but I've never striven for it in my playthroughs.
I know a guy who did it, or came close, but I've never striven for it in my playthroughs.
bryce777
Erudite
I think if your luck is three it can get zapped to 7, which is handy.
+ 4 different modules.
I forgot about the sunglasses.
I kind of dislike bruiser, but I didn't realize it gave a stat point.
I suppose the powerarmor gives strength but that is no big deal....
+ 4 different modules.
I forgot about the sunglasses.
I kind of dislike bruiser, but I didn't realize it gave a stat point.
I suppose the powerarmor gives strength but that is no big deal....
glasnost
Augur
I never tracked down all the mod chips.
The payoff for all of this kinda comes too late in the game for it to *really* make a difference.
The payoff for all of this kinda comes too late in the game for it to *really* make a difference.
Elwro
Arcane
You can invest a few points in the skill at each level, and in the future choose the "Tag!" perk that will boost it immensely. Of course, that's losing one perk. But it might be worth it.El Dee said:
GoldLeader
Scholar
It brings happiness to see people, like El Dee buying the game, and playing it. Makes your old fallout fanboy come out of the cave again. Too bad that they don't make games like this novadays. Anyhow, in my opinion, small guns build with gauss rifles was pretty equal to the energy weapons build. My fav was tagging small guns, steal and speech. Stealing and replanting 1 coin for 8 times on a gecko in arroyo, and repeating this for a while, got you to level4 before leaving the town. 
(And yes, i'm one of those persons who got introduced to fallout through f2)
(And yes, i'm one of those persons who got introduced to fallout through f2)I did a small bit of looking things up and all the stat gains in FO2 are:
Small Frame: +1 Agility
Bruiser: +2 Strength
Gifted: +1 Strength, +1 Perception, +1 Endurance, +1 Charisma, +1 Intelligence, +1 Agility, +1 Luck
Zeta scan NCR: +2 Luck
Zeta scan San Fran: +1 Luck, +1 Intelligence
(You can only have one of those)
Mirrored Sunglasses: +1 Charisma
Advanced Power Armor (MK1 or 2): +4 Strength
Gain Strength: +1 Strength
Gain Endurance: +1 Endurance
Gain Perception: +1 Perception
Gain Charisma: +1 Charisma
Gain Agility: +1 Agility
Gain Intelligence: +1 Intelligence
Gain Luck: +1 Luck
(Only available if stat is under 10)
Blue Memory Chip: +1 Charisma
Green Memory Chip: +1 Perception
Yellow Memory Chip: +1 Intelligence
Red Memory Chip: +1 Strength
So in total thats like:
+9 Strength
+3 Perception
+2 Endurance
+4 Charisma
+3 Intelligence (or +4 Intelligence)
+3 Agility
+4 Luck (or +3 Luck)
I'll go with the +1 Luck, +1 Intelligence scan, So starting off do:
1 Strength
7 Perception
8 Endurance
6 Charisma
6 Intelligence
7 Agility
5 Luck
Bruiser/Small Frame
And you'll end up
10 Strength
10 Perception
10 Endurance
10 Charisma
10 Intelligence
10 Agility
8 Luck
Small Frame: +1 Agility
Bruiser: +2 Strength
Gifted: +1 Strength, +1 Perception, +1 Endurance, +1 Charisma, +1 Intelligence, +1 Agility, +1 Luck
Zeta scan NCR: +2 Luck
Zeta scan San Fran: +1 Luck, +1 Intelligence
(You can only have one of those)
Mirrored Sunglasses: +1 Charisma
Advanced Power Armor (MK1 or 2): +4 Strength
Gain Strength: +1 Strength
Gain Endurance: +1 Endurance
Gain Perception: +1 Perception
Gain Charisma: +1 Charisma
Gain Agility: +1 Agility
Gain Intelligence: +1 Intelligence
Gain Luck: +1 Luck
(Only available if stat is under 10)
Blue Memory Chip: +1 Charisma
Green Memory Chip: +1 Perception
Yellow Memory Chip: +1 Intelligence
Red Memory Chip: +1 Strength
So in total thats like:
+9 Strength
+3 Perception
+2 Endurance
+4 Charisma
+3 Intelligence (or +4 Intelligence)
+3 Agility
+4 Luck (or +3 Luck)
I'll go with the +1 Luck, +1 Intelligence scan, So starting off do:
1 Strength
7 Perception
8 Endurance
6 Charisma
6 Intelligence
7 Agility
5 Luck
Bruiser/Small Frame
And you'll end up
10 Strength
10 Perception
10 Endurance
10 Charisma
10 Intelligence
10 Agility
8 Luck
bryce777
Erudite
Damn,t hat's just crazy. I would never use any of the gain x perks, though, since the other perks are far more powerful....
Yeah, the other detractor is that stats like Intelligence and Charisma being 10 give you great dialog skills (which is good, but...), but by the time you get them to 10 you dont really get to enjoy them as you would if you started them with 10.
Not that Fallout 2 is very good for a dialog character, anyways though.
Not that Fallout 2 is very good for a dialog character, anyways though.
bryce777
Erudite
LlamaGod said:
That is why i would not do the san fran quest.
Also, the thetan scan in NCR does not always work the same. Sometimes it actually reduces your luck.
I think it depends on your luck going in, too - I know for a fact I went up from 3 luck to 7 one game. I had played 5 times before I even realized it affected your luck....
Thats one reason why I think a Fallout with full voice acting will be total ass. It had a unique personality in its floater texts and info box narratives and random dialogs with strangers.
The few talkies were good, but theres a certain thing to reading those floaters and narratives and speaking them out in your mind.
Another way to say it is, is the little dialogs would add on to the game experience instead of being part of it.
The few talkies were good, but theres a certain thing to reading those floaters and narratives and speaking them out in your mind.
Another way to say it is, is the little dialogs would add on to the game experience instead of being part of it.
bryce777
Erudite
Voice acting usually sucks. It is always way too slow. More than a sentence and it is just painful to listen to. It might be ok to do the blurbs, but really there are so many that you would have huge voice overlap.
match000
Novice
- Joined
- Sep 26, 2005
- Messages
- 44
so after seeing all the fuss here about how great fallout 2 is, i installed and played it the other day.
it's not that great at all. it feels like a bioware game with the bioware type dialogue options, but i tried the inane selections on the level 1 village elder guy and there werent any different responses. i was pretty disappointed. I expected him to get up and kick my ass or something after i was so rude to him.
Plus, the combat is too slow and repetitive and boring.
I dunno, I will play Ultima 7 and FF3 anyday over this game.
it's not that great at all. it feels like a bioware game with the bioware type dialogue options, but i tried the inane selections on the level 1 village elder guy and there werent any different responses. i was pretty disappointed. I expected him to get up and kick my ass or something after i was so rude to him.
Plus, the combat is too slow and repetitive and boring.
I dunno, I will play Ultima 7 and FF3 anyday over this game.
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