Legend of Grimrock

[evdk]

God damn it the iron door on dungeon level 3 is still outsmarting me. I'm sure I'm missing something, but damned if I know what it is. I think I have a vague idea of what I need to do but am not sure how to go about it.

Spoiler

Isn't the Iron Door on lvl 3 just unlocked by a key dropped by the spiders?

 

[Nattvardsvin]

Spoiler

No that's another door.

 

[Jarpie]

Have you folk seen any other kind of buttons on walls than that big flat one, and one "loose corner" on bricks? I wonder if there are buttons hidden in those walls which has chains, tree branches, moss etc.

 

[Whisper]

I'm not sure if this has been brought up re: dex not affecting ranged combat. I just noticed that specializing in bows gives you several +dex bonuses throughout the tree. How stupid.

And Sword skill gives +hp. And fire mage skill gives +str.
Not all bonuses from skill tree directly work for this tree.

 

[asper]

I wonder if the developers intended the player to try out various rune combinations on his own, or to wait until he finds the right scrolls?

Dex not impacting ranged ability is very surprising, I wonder how many people are running around with rogues with max dex..

I'm enjoying the game a lot though.

 

[Berekän]

Have you folk seen any other kind of buttons on walls than that big flat one, and one "loose corner" on bricks? I wonder if there are buttons hidden in those walls which has chains, tree branches, moss etc.

I think there's only those two. Later on the tileset changes an so do the secret buttons, but it's still a poor amount of choices, two secret buttons per tileset makes looking for them a matter of stumbling over a recognized pattern, not actually looking for secrets.

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

Dex not impacting ranged ability is very surprising, I wonder how many people are running around with rogues with max dex..

*Raises hand*

To be fair I didn't do the tutorial or read the manual. And the description of DEX doesn't mention impacting ranged combat all. I was just a D&Dfag.

 

[Jarpie]

Have you folk seen any other kind of buttons on walls than that big flat one, and one "loose corner" on bricks? I wonder if there are buttons hidden in those walls which has chains, tree branches, moss etc.

I think there's only those two. Later on the tileset changes an so do the secret buttons, but it's still a poor amount of choices, two secret buttons per tileset makes looking for them a matter of stumbling over a recognized pattern, not actually looking for secrets.

When/if they make sequel or add-ons for Grimrock, they're probably going to add more buttons too.

I also noticed that attack speed for monsters/enemies is faster than in Dungeon Master/Chaos Strikes Back which is probably why they didn't put attack menu like in DM/CSB but I'll have to check that is it true or am I just imagening things.

 

[asper]

If you would have told me a dungeon crawler is the best sold game on Steam I would have just laughed...

I guess this shows that good presentation really can make or break a game. It seems to be the only reason Frayed Knights was less successful.

 

[JudasIscariot]

If you would have told me a dungeon crawler would be the best sold game on Steam I would have just laughed...

Still not a turn-based dungeon crawler, though

 

[Metro]

If you would have told me a dungeon crawler would be the best sold game on Steam I would have just laughed...

As I said before:

Re: it's sale performance on Steam -- Steam isn't necessarily full of addle minded retards... well... not completely. Good low budget games with depth and solid mechanics routinely perform well. Dungeons of Dredmor was a top seller during the first few days of its release. I'm sure Wasteland 2 will do similarly well.

Good indie games, regardless of genre, will sell if they are reasonably priced.

 

[Ulminati]

Dex is useless!? o_O

It gives you evasion (survivability) and accuracy (damage). Sure, after a certain point, adding additional dex is superfluous as stuff likely won't hit you anyway and you're unlikely to miss. But up to a certainpoint is is as good as - or better than - strength.

 

[Wulfstand]

Another dumb thing - there are spears/lances that you can use to attack from the back row, but no class has spear specialization. And yeah, I'm sure spells will be fleshed out with future patches or expansions. At least they better be.

Well, anyway, It's nice to see that this game is doing very well for a fairly "hardcore" CRPG. There were ~5000 players on Steam playing it on Thursday, it's a top seller on both Steam and GOG, too. Safe to say that the small team is making a nice profit from the game and bodes well for future installments

It's also nice to see a decent CRPG do well. Come on, someone give us a Wizardry indie game next. Then again, that's far more work than something like Grimrock which is relatively small in scope.

I'm surprised there hasn't been a Wizardry revival Kickstarter yet, I'm guessing it'll pop-up soon enough, especially after the success of LoD. And yeah, the spells list is reaaaally disappointing, I hope they'll patch in a few more in future expansions/patches. Or at least let me be able to save the current spell I've been using, it's pretty tiresome to constantly punch the rune combination during combat, especially once you grab those higher level spells, that require 3-4 runes to channel.

 

[Crooked Bee]

Can someone (who's more than 3 floors in) tell me what the optimal level for Evasion is? I don't want to invest in it too much. Currently my front line Mages have 32-33 points of Evasion; ideally, how higher should I aim for?

 

[Ulminati]

Not tellin' 'cause spoilerz

 

[evdk]

Dex is useless!? o_O

It gives you evasion (survivability) and accuracy (damage). Sure, after a certain point, adding additional dex is superfluous as stuff likely won't hit you anyway and you're unlikely to miss. But up to a certainpoint is is as good as - or better than - strength.

Dex is useless for back row, missile weapons focused rogue. Survivability is not much of an issue, unless you are backed into a corner and then you won't last very long anyway and missile weapons seem to be hitscan, rendering all the to hit bonuses from high dex moot.

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

Still not a turn-based dungeon crawler, though

Vogel's freshly released Avernum is #17 on the Steam top seller charts, it was in the top 10 on release day. And that's a pretty goddamn ugly turn based RPG. Everything sells well on Steam!

 

[sser]

Another dumb thing - there are spears/lances that you can use to attack from the back row, but no class has spear specialization. And yeah, I'm sure spells will be fleshed out with future patches or expansions. At least they better be.

Well, anyway, It's nice to see that this game is doing very well for a fairly "hardcore" CRPG. There were ~5000 players on Steam playing it on Thursday, it's a top seller on both Steam and GOG, too. Safe to say that the small team is making a nice profit from the game and bodes well for future installments

It's also nice to see a decent CRPG do well. Come on, someone give us a Wizardry indie game next. Then again, that's far more work than something like Grimrock which is relatively small in scope.

I'm surprised there hasn't been a Wizardry revival Kickstarter yet, I'm guessing it'll pop-up soon enough, especially after the success of LoD. And yeah, the spells list is reaaaally disappointing, I hope they'll patch in a few more in future expansions/patches. Or at least let me be able to save the current spell I've been using, it's pretty tiresome to constantly punch the rune combination during combat, especially once you grab those higher level spells, that require 3-4 runes to channel.

Wizadry lives on in Japan, IIRC.

 

[evdk]

Vogel's freshly released Avernum is #17 on the Steam top seller charts, it was in the top 10 on release day. And that's a pretty goddamn ugly turn based RPG. Everything sells well on Steam!

Hello, my name is MHC and I am a Steam addict.

 

[Wulfstand]

Wizadry lives on in Japan, IIRC.

Fuck that, I want me some WESTERNRpg.

 

[made]

Original Dungeon Master and Chaos Strikes Back didn't have very varied spell lists, unless you count the potion making through spells, also original DM & CSB didn't have two-handed weapons either so lack of them might be just an oversight by the developers. Lack of spear skill is a bit disappointing, but I wouldn't be surprised if they fix that on future patches, for example by adding it to rogue skills, making it "Daggers and Polearms" skill.

Also, I wouldn't mind ability to throw the spears either.

Sure, DM didn't have many things. Doesn't mean this shouldn't either, it's not a 1:1 copy.

It's their first game, so everyone will forgive them the shortcomings, but now that they're raking in the millions the sequel/expansion better be more sophisticated.

 

[evdk]

Sure, DM didn't have many things. Doesn't mean this shouldn't either, it's not a 1:1 copy.

It's their first game, so everyone will forgive them the shortcomings, but now that they're raking in the millions the sequel/expansion better be more sophisticated.

Sure, this time they will copy DM2 Get ready for outdoors locations!

 

[Ulminati]

It's their first game, so everyone will forgive them the shortcomings, but now that they're raking in the millions the sequel/expansion better be more sophisticated.

I agree. We need emotionally engaging storylines, party banter, romance subplots, kickass cutscenes, multiplayer with unlockable items and perks, a hint system and a compass that points out where the secrets are, chest-high walls to gain cover from and detailed models of the party so you can see what they look like in their armor. Also, ditch the 90-degree navigation and make the levels more detailed. It's ok if they become more linear if they also look majestic. Amirite?

I'm sorry! I'm so very sorry!

 

[made]

It's their first game, so everyone will forgive them the shortcomings, but now that they're raking in the millions the sequel/expansion better be more sophisticated.

I agree. We need emotionally engaging storylines, party banter, romance subplots, kickass cutscenes, multiplayer with unlockable items and perks, a hint system and a compass that points out where the secrets are, chest-high walls to gain cover from and detailed models of the party so you can see what they look like in their armor. Also, ditch the 90-degree navigation and make the levels more detailed. It's ok if they become more linear if they also look majestic. Amirite?

I'm sorry! I'm so very sorry!

 

[Jarpie]

Original Dungeon Master and Chaos Strikes Back didn't have very varied spell lists, unless you count the potion making through spells, also original DM & CSB didn't have two-handed weapons either so lack of them might be just an oversight by the developers. Lack of spear skill is a bit disappointing, but I wouldn't be surprised if they fix that on future patches, for example by adding it to rogue skills, making it "Daggers and Polearms" skill.

Also, I wouldn't mind ability to throw the spears either.

Sure, DM didn't have many things. Doesn't mean this shouldn't either, it's not a 1:1 copy.

It's their first game, so everyone will forgive them the shortcomings, but now that they're raking in the millions the sequel/expansion better be more sophisticated.

Definitely people should expect more from sequel/expansion, although, lack of variety in spells and some other oversights (such as no dual-wielding and two-handed weapons) is probably due very short development time (just about 9 months).

What I'd like to see in sequel/expansion is naturally more spells, two-handed fighting/dual-wielding, and maybe somekind of interaction with NPCs and possible outdoor locations. Hopefully they won't try to bite too big piece with the expansion/sequel.