Making new spells for ToEE - Discussion

[Etharil]

Gah, I can't get the particle editor's preview to work. Guess I'll have to check the visuals in game.

What aspect of it didn't work?
Making cool looking spell effects is huge pain in the ass if you have to restart the game / viewer every time.

I'm unable to see the doll and the particles that I'd like to take a look at. Used a Co8-less ToEE install to check it.

Have you set the data path to the non-Co8 installation?

Yes, yes I did.

By the way should I treat Elemental Schools as domains, seeing how Sirocco uses both Air and Fire school, while having a Storms subdomain?

 

[Etharil]

It's a GoG installation.

@Spell: Okay then, I'll check if any of the fitting domains is missing a level 6 spell and add it to that domain.

 

[Etharil]

Added Sirocco to Fire 6 as it's empty. I'm also redoing the way it applies exhausted and fatigued conditions now. Sitra Achara Do you know how exactly fire spells check for the web effect? I'm primarily looking for the condition check as Sirocco is a fire damage-dealing spell so I'd like to make sure it interacts with web properly.

 

[Kosiciel]

Hey, Greater Shout was already added by Co8 in a tragically obscure addon for 8.1.0:
http://www.co8.org/community/index.php?threads/im-participating.11736/page-6#post-140577

That said there was some visual deficiency in the Stun effect when applied to party members (see here), so you if you have the patience to learn something new, you can create a new Stun Effect using Python Modifiers.
I'll have to get back to you on sound.

Oh right, Rudy's Item Mod adds Great Shout - thanks for the link! But, but... it is SO different from 3.5E. At least I was able to incorporate stun effect (one round, as per rules, but it probably shows duration of deafened condition 4d6 rounds - how can I make two durations on one spell?), but still no bonus damage to earth elementals (would be nice to have in Earth node) and no sound on casting (that's a big one).

 

[Knightly]

My party once hit with it by Falrinth. To be honest until I notice "stunned" effect I tought it is cone of cold spell... Also it passed thru walls to hit us. He was in his room, we were caught flat-footed on secret passage exit to Dung lvl 3.

 

[Kosiciel]

Sound added! Had to edit data\sound\snd_spells.mes (using both Shout files). So the only thing to fix is the duration of effects (4d6 rounds deafened plus 1 round stun), and damage vs earth creatures (maybe some spells that work better vs undead could help here).
How does deafened condition work? Will it move affected creatures down the initiative line in next turn (it lowers target's initiative by 4; not sure about failing listen checks - are those being made during fight)?

What would be the best way to put all those changes in some easy to use fix/update? Those are at least 5 (.py, .txt., .tab, 2 x .mes) files changed/added...

 

[Etharil]

Good news: Sirocco deals its damage, uses caster level to add extra damage and knocks enemies prone on a failed fortitude save, while halving the damage and preventing the knockdown as per spell description on a successful save. I'm temporarily using Fireball visual effects to get the spell to work until I can get the Particle Editor to obey or fully understand V2Brute. I'm also adding comments for each line in the spell's script to explain what they do for those, who would like to delve into the spell later on.

Bad news: the engine doesn't recognise fatigued as a condition (is it named differently? I used fatigued as a name) and I cannot add a clause for water elementals and water-type creatures to have a -4 to saving throws as well as receive double damage because ToEE doesn't have the water subtype added. Sitra Achara could you have that subtype added / provide me with specific protos for water creatures so that I can give this special effect to Sirocco?

I reduced the area of effect of Sunburst to 10 feet as Sunburst's short description here implies it's a 10ft spell + it's implemented as such in every RPG I've come across (Icewind Dale, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights and so on). I'll edit its particle effect to reflect the Area of Effect once I can get Particle Editor to obey unless Sitra Achara can do it himself since the particles and the spell itself are part of Co8 content in its pure form (taken straight from forums).

Screenshots of Sirocco:

It was really simple to be honest. I assume the harder part will be making it scribable.

Question about Regenerate - I'm wondering if I should keep it as pure as it is in the d20src or allow it to raise dead with a 1 round stun effect on raised creature.

 

[Kosiciel]

Nice, Etharil! As I stated previously, you're much better at doing this than me
Could you help me with Greater Shout dealing double damage to earth-type monsters/earth elementals?

 

[Etharil]

Nice, Etharil! As I stated previously, you're much better at doing this than me
Could you help me with Greater Shout dealing double damage to earth-type monsters/earth elementals?

Open the Shatter spell - it has specific calls for Earth subtype creatures and should give you a clue in terms of how to approach it.

 

[Etharil]

So, question: should I allow the Regenerate spell to also raise dead with a penalty of leaving a target stunned / prone for 1-3 rounds, considering that Clerics get it at level 7 and as a healing domain?

 

[Kosiciel]

Open the Shatter spell - it has specific calls for Earth subtype creatures and should give you a clue in terms of how to approach it.

Great suggestion! Looking at Shatter and Horrid Wilting allowed me to add 1d6 per caster level (up to 20d6) damage to Earth elementals, and normal 10d6 vs everything else

 

[Etharil]

Open the Shatter spell - it has specific calls for Earth subtype creatures and should give you a clue in terms of how to approach it.

Great suggestion! Looking at Shatter and Horrid Wilting allowed me to add 1d6 per caster level (up to 20d6) damage to Earth elementals, and normal 10d6 vs everything else

You can also use damage.dice *2 for simplicity's sake so that you only have to change the dice once, at the beginning of the script, instead of within the check for the subtype itself.

 

[Kosiciel]

You can also use damage.dice *2 for simplicity's sake so that you only have to change the dice once, at the beginning of the script, instead of within the check for the subtype itself.

Yes, I saw it too - but Shout spells have either "static" 5d6/10d6 or 1d6 per caster level up to 15d6/20d6, so probably I had to use 4 entries (earth creatures, saved or no plus everything else, saved or no) instead of doubling damage. I guess it could be polished a little more, at least.

Here are the .py files for both Shout and Greater Shout (BTW, should I move GS to spell id 797, as per Rudy's Item Mod?), if anyone wants to tinker with them:

Shout
http://www100.zippyshare.com/v/3wEeZJcv/file.html

Greater Shout
http://www7.zippyshare.com/v/inwE2wPv/file.html

 

[Sitra Achara]

I'm very pleased to see you both take the initiative and doing some problem solving

I've updated the post near the beginning with some more relevant info (I see you already figured out the sounds, I forgot about it myself!).

Spell ID 580 is taken (in Rudy's mod I think), so for the sake of compatibility you should probably use 797 as well.

Other than that it's a bit hard to keep track of requests when they are interspersed with the discussion, so I'm going to split the thread to discussion and a central repository.

 

[Etharil]

Sitra Achara Is ID 584 taken by anything? I used it for Regenerate. Will edit Sirroco to use 590 instead of 580.

EDIT: Just read the updated post - I'll move it to 798 and Regenerate to 799.

 

[Etharil]

Huh, found something interesting but also annoying - "toee.PySpellTargetsEntry" object has no attribute 'spell_heal'. I'll see if I can work around it.

 

[Sitra Achara]

Sitra Achara Is ID 584 taken by anything? I used it for Regenerate. Will edit Sirroco to use 590 instead of 580.

EDIT: Just read the updated post - I'll move it to 798 and Regenerate to 799.

Those are taken too.
Here's the spell.mes file from Rudy's mod.

Remember that with Temple+ the range of spell enums has been expanded, so you can use ones from above 813.

How about I reserve the range 850-900 for your spells, and 901-950 for you Kosiciel?

 

[Sitra Achara]

Huh, found something interesting but also annoying - "toee.PySpellTargetsEntry" object has no attribute 'spell_heal'. I'll see if I can work around it.

Hmm? Where did you encounter that?

Are you perhaps doing target_item.spell_heal instead of target_item.obj.spell_heal?

 

[Etharil]

Okay, got it. Moved them to 814 and 815.

Trying to come up with a way to randomise the stun duration as it has to be an integer or long type value. Does ToEE execute random function?

 

[Etharil]

Huh, found something interesting but also annoying - "toee.PySpellTargetsEntry" object has no attribute 'spell_heal'. I'll see if I can work around it.

Hmm? Where did you encounter that?

Are you perhaps doing target_item.spell_heal instead of target_item.obj.spell_heal?

I used target_item.obj.spell_heal instead of target.obj.spell_heal - doing the latter solved the issue. Currently trying to randomise the stun duration.

 

[Sitra Achara]

Added Sirocco to Fire 6 as it's empty. I'm also redoing the way it applies exhausted and fatigued conditions now. Sitra Achara Do you know how exactly fire spells check for the web effect? I'm primarily looking for the condition check as Sirocco is a fire damage-dealing spell so I'd like to make sure it interacts with web properly.

It's automatic - whenever a character with the 'sp-Web On' condition takes Fire damage, it ignites the web.

 

[Etharil]

Added Sirocco to Fire 6 as it's empty. I'm also redoing the way it applies exhausted and fatigued conditions now. Sitra Achara Do you know how exactly fire spells check for the web effect? I'm primarily looking for the condition check as Sirocco is a fire damage-dealing spell so I'd like to make sure it interacts with web properly.

It's automatic - whenever a character with the 'sp-Web On' condition takes Fire damage, it ignites the web.

I see. That's good. Do you know what the proper name for the fatigued condition is within the code so that I can add it to Sirocco? It's not 'fatigued' apparently.

 

[Etharil]

Okay, I finished the regenerate spell (with a temporary static stun duration), but I can't get it to show up in history rolls as a "X casts Regenerate!" like I could with Sirocco for some reason. Sitra Achara Any clue?

 

[Sitra Achara]

Added Sirocco to Fire 6 as it's empty. I'm also redoing the way it applies exhausted and fatigued conditions now. Sitra Achara Do you know how exactly fire spells check for the web effect? I'm primarily looking for the condition check as Sirocco is a fire damage-dealing spell so I'd like to make sure it interacts with web properly.

It's automatic - whenever a character with the 'sp-Web On' condition takes Fire damage, it ignites the web.

I see. That's good. Do you know what the proper name for the fatigued condition is within the code so that I can add it to Sirocco? It's not 'fatigued' apparently.

There's Barbarian_Fatigued

 

[Etharil]

Added Sirocco to Fire 6 as it's empty. I'm also redoing the way it applies exhausted and fatigued conditions now. Sitra Achara Do you know how exactly fire spells check for the web effect? I'm primarily looking for the condition check as Sirocco is a fire damage-dealing spell so I'd like to make sure it interacts with web properly.

It's automatic - whenever a character with the 'sp-Web On' condition takes Fire damage, it ignites the web.

I see. That's good. Do you know what the proper name for the fatigued condition is within the code so that I can add it to Sirocco? It's not 'fatigued' apparently.

There's Barbarian_Fatigued

Does it apply the same penalties as a regular fatigued? I'll assume that's a yes and that applying it a second time will cause the exhausted condition?