Preview Mutant Year Zero Gameplay Footage + GDC 2018 Preview at PC Gamer

[Galdred]

D:OS used an AP system, and TOOE used a 2 Action system.
Does that make D:OS better?
Now it is weird to have people compare it to XCOM if the roster is 6 characters deep.
Even though XCOM lost a good part of the "cannon fodder" appeal of its ancestor, having soldiers die remains a part of its identity.

I suppose Shadowrun would be a more relevant comparison.

 

[Frusciante]

Am pretty surprised by this, it looks amazing! Love the art design and sounds. Combat also looks nice.

 

[Glop_dweller]

I'll say it again, this appears to be a conceptual replica of the After the Bomb PnP game series by Palladium Books; which is itself an offshoot of their TMNT and other Strangeness RPG.

http://projects.inklesspen.com/fatal-and-friends/eldad-assarach/after-the-bomb/

**That doesn't mean the game won't be great though.

 

[cherry blossom]

Camera jumping around gave me nausea.

 

[holla_cabezas_de_mierda]

This looks nothing like 'furries' fucking retards.

 

[bylam]

I'll say it again, this appears to be a conceptual replica of the After the Bomb PnP game series by Palladium Books; which is itself an offshoot of their TMNT and other Strangeness RPG.

http://projects.inklesspen.com/fatal-and-friends/eldad-assarach/after-the-bomb/

**That doesn't mean the game won't be great though.

It's based on the Mutant RPG. It was released 2 years before After the Bomb (according to that most reliable of sources, wikipedia)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutant_(role-playing_game)

 

[Van-d-all]

Has 2AP combat historically been a turnoff for the Codex in RPGs? I thought it was only unacceptable in dedicated tactical combat games like X-Com. Blackguards had 2AP.

If it was just up to 2AP I wouldn't mind that much as it still gives quite some room for character versatility along with initiative and movement. It's the general pauperization of tactical system on behalf of character pampering. Lack of stances like crouching, cover becoming a binary state (well, ternary if you count light and heavy) instead of trajectory based - further pronouncing RNGJesus bullshittery, virtually indestructible environment, ridiculous restrictions in character loadouts just to name the few. But - hey, look! - you can now change soldier's hats! That being said, I'm merely a codexian by loose association, so it's probably not representative to the rest of the hivemind.

For a couple of you they lose, they'll gain other 100 people. I guess it's worth for them.

Why of course, Maxis struck gold with Sims, by tapping to a previously untouched market of casual players, and that cancerous filth keeps spreading to every game. Because, typically for the industry, everyone and their dog now want's to copy their success by copying their ideas, and now bringing games to the lowest common denominator became the holy grail of marketing - paying semi competent monkey, is still a paying customer after all. However, gladly the reality doesn't work like that and while strapping simplified combat to a niche game will probably make less people drop it when combat difficulty comes close to ruining their daily dose of self appreciation, it won't magically make people flock to a game that is still niche.

Even though XCOM lost a good part of the "cannon fodder" appeal of its ancestor, having soldiers die remains a part of its identity.

Don't make me laugh. In original XCom, if you play on some reasonably high difficulty half of the rookies will end in bodybags. In my ~10h before Firaxis bored me to death, the only soldier I lost was the one in scripted tutorial mission.

 

[Infinitron]

Are you confusing Firaxis with Maxis

 

[Van-d-all]

Are you confusing Firaxis with Maxis

Yeah, my bad, confused Sims with Sim- in that rant. Maxis did Sims, Firaxis copied their shitty "*fun*(tm) character customization" into XCom.

 

[Ravn7]

People with pig's and duck's head. To me it looks just childish and dump.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Galdred]

Even though XCOM lost a good part of the "cannon fodder" appeal of its ancestor, having soldiers die remains a part of its identity.

Don't make me laugh. In original XCom, if you play on some reasonably high difficulty half of the rookies will end in bodybags. In my ~10h before Firaxis bored me to death, the only soldier I lost was the one in scripted tutorial mission.

Wtf? Playing on the highest difficulty level (I/I) without losing any soldier in 10-15 missions is really hard in XCOM.
The problem is not that you don't lose soldiers, but that the game more or less forces you to restart if you do (because of the focus on soldiers abilities, which make casualties snowball at the campaign level).
Actually, that is even one of the major problems of XCOM:
Completing a mission while losing a skilled soldier is a setback, while in UFO, a costly victory still felt like one.

 

[Van-d-all]

Even though XCOM lost a good part of the "cannon fodder" appeal of its ancestor, having soldiers die remains a part of its identity.

Don't make me laugh. In original XCom, if you play on some reasonably high difficulty half of the rookies will end in bodybags. In my ~10h before Firaxis bored me to death, the only soldier I lost was the one in scripted tutorial mission.

Wtf? Playing on the highest difficulty level (I/I) without losing any soldier in 10-15 missions is really hard in XCOM.
The problem is not that you don't lose soldiers, but that the game more or less forces you to restart if you do (because of the focus on soldiers abilities, which make casualties snowball at the campaign level).
Actually, that is even one of the major problems of XCOM:
Completing a mission while losing a skilled soldier is a setback, while in UFO, a costly victory still felt like one.

I don't even know what kind of stunt do you need too pull to get a leveled soldier killed in SimsCom but what if you say is true, it's even worse because the basic game design makes you stoop to save scamming meta gaming practices to even push forward. What made Ufo great was the fact it felt like a proper asymmetrical warfare against stronger enemy, where, like in every strategic game since conception of chess, it actually takes losses to achieve something meaningful not a snowflaked rag tag merry band of cunts wearing funny hats in a delusional power craze.

 

[Andhaira]

Damn! I didn't know there was a cRPG in development of this. MY0 is a pnp RPG by a Swedish Company (Fria Lagan) released a few years back, with english translation successfully kickstarted some time after that/ Its quite popular. They have also ported the ruleset over to other games, like Coriolis (a space-Arabian setting in the far future) and recently successfully kickstarted a fantasy based game called Forbidden Lands. Hopefully this last one will be made into a cRPG as well.

Anyhoo, mutated animals aside this will be a day 1 purchase for me as long as its relatively bug free; I liked Firaxis X-Com a lot, combat was very satisfying.

 

[Mustawd]

missed you Andhaira

 

[Mustawd]

wtf Volrath ?

 

[Mustawd]

I love kitty. goddamn it. You are using my weakness against me...

 

[Galdred]

I don't even know what kind of stunt do you need too pull to get a leveled soldier killed in SimsCom but what if you say is true, it's even worse because the basic game design makes you stoop to save scamming meta gaming practices to even push forward. What made Ufo great was the fact it felt like a proper asymmetrical warfare against stronger enemy, where, like in every strategic game since conception of chess, it actually takes losses to achieve something meaningful not a snowflaked rag tag merry band of cunts wearing funny hats in a delusional power craze.

The point is: the rookies you start with die easily before being leveled up. Most I/I campaigns end because of a lack of leveled up soldiers in month 1.
I completely agree about the unwelcome shift from a meatgrinder simulator to a Power Ranger/pokemon training game.

 

[Ramenos]

When I was watching the Trailer, I understood more why they did compare it to XCom. Forget the number of characters, just focus on the gameplay mechanics.

Anyway, seems really interesting. Based on the fact we are leading 3 heroes, I don't think you can really die, yes? I mean The 3 characters seem to have a dedicated story, they don't seem replacable by a random recruit.