So, anyone playing League of Legends?

[Demnogonis Saastuttaja]

Draven is still unbalanced, lose lane to Lucian Nami (because herp I forget that you can't trade against two shooting champions), buy avarice blade because I'm only going to afk farm fuck this, with that and passive, 4k more gold than Lucian at the end of the game, something like 900 from the passive. That's when losing! 900 is mad gold!

Anyway that's what getting carried is like, be two kills and 20 cs behind, then be perfectly safe because their front lines can't get through and are melted by Kennen + Fiddle AOE while you're AA'ing Udyr or something.

 

[Grunker]

Draven is still unbalanced, lose lane to Lucian Nami (because herp I forget that you can't trade against two shooting champions), buy avarice blade because I'm only going to afk farm fuck this

Buying gp5 items when behind = the sign of a truly amazing player.

Sorry to take the piss out of you, but considering you go on about supposed champion balance, it's pretty ironic to follow that statement up with you doing something that is retarded from any standpoint. That the opponents didn't take advantage of the fact that you basically gave them complete lane dominance after the first kill says more about their shitty level of play and less about Draven being "unbalanced."

 

[Demnogonis Saastuttaja]

All I can say is that the passive gives mad gold even when you're behind.

With Leona support I think they had complete lane dominance from level 1 so I figured all I am going to do is afk farm as safely as possible because they still can't engage me under tower and Lucian didn't seem like an amazing player to me, only that his Nami was really aggressive and Leona would do nothing but random leona things and miss every Zenith blade other than the ones that would get her surely killed.

 

[Grunker]

With Leona support I think they had complete lane dominance from level 1 so I figured all I am going to do is afk farm as safely as possible because they still can't engage me under tower and Lucian didn't seem like an amazing player to me, only that his Nami was really aggressive and Leona would do nothing but random leona things and miss every Zenith blade other than the ones that would get her surely killed.

Any decent opponent won't allow you to "afk farm". There are plenty of AD Carries that would be insanely OP if they could somehow decide to just "afk farm" in the game as if the opponents didn't exist.

 

[Demnogonis Saastuttaja]

I know that much, lols. Like I said, that guy wasn't a decent opponent, it was all Nami's play, which doesn't really stop me from farming. If I thought Lucian was good (or if I thought there was gonna be a fight where Leona was useful), I'd have bought doran's swords or something.

What I mean is, all he did is spam abilities randomly and hope something hits, dash in if Nami hits a bubble and that's it.

 

[Renegen]

I just played pure tank Nocturne for the first time today, holy shit this tank jungling business is hard. It's not like I had a choice, I was going to test a Statikk Shiv rush but when my team consisted of Rengar - Ezreal - Tristana - Nidalee, I had to make an executive decision and do the best for the team. Ezreal was cool though, as much as I hate double AD comps, he played safe against Hecarim and managed to get enough farm to be useful and had crazy poke. We dominated the mid game, every lane was winning and then it all slowly started falling apart.

See, our team was a team full of pussies. Our Rengar was a complete noob, and bless his little heart though he did well enough, he didn't do the "I'll stealth, insta-kill someone and die like a man" routine. We took 25 minutes to take out their inner turrets and inhibitors. I was split pushing a lot and boy is it futile to split push as a tank, you're looking at 5 auto attacks per minion. Even me trying to farm, I was so slow I was kind of poor. And the teamfights, let's not talk about them. I would ult in usually killing someone right away, find myself 1v4, tank and die as my team watches for the perfect moment to land their skillshots. It's not like we could catch them late game either, they were too tanky and we had no wards either. Yeah, the blame should probably fall on the Nidalee, a perfect example of how important good supports are. And that Ezreal too, fuck double AD, mid game he did fine but late game of course he wasn't facechecking anything anymore.

Maybe I should've gone with my Statikk Shiv build, would've been more fun seeing team pussy deal with that.

 

[Markman]

For tank jungling all you need is boots, spirit stone and then rush sunfire cape. Rest you can build up with Spirit Visage, Locket, whatever. But pretty much Sunfire is all you need.

 

[Demnogonis Saastuttaja]

Nidalee support can work but you have to be smart about it and I'm pretty sure it's best not to pick her into a double ad comp.

Did you actually build full tank, I don't think that's necessary, an Elder Lizard/Yomuus/BC/bork and then Randuins, Mullet, Locket, whatever. Shouldn't Rengar be the one splitpushing anyway with his turret one-shotting and stealth trolling anyways?

Duo Q:s sure mess up things, have a Plat V - Silver V on your team, translates to entire enemy team being outclassed. It sure is nice to play Brand against a really passive Fizz who can't dodge skill shots for shit. Oh by the way ZHONYA'S IS SO FUCKING CHEAP. Fizz throws ult at me and Q's - press 2, lol you can't counter that bitch. Of course were I fizz I'd also buy Zhonyas so the rare Brand skill that would hit wouldn't actually hit because this item is so balanced. Please somebody tell me what's the justification on this item?

 

[Azael]

For tank jungling all you need is boots, spirit stone and then rush sunfire cape. Rest you can build up with Spirit Visage, Locket, whatever. But pretty much Sunfire is all you need.

I personally find Locket to be the best tanky jungler item since it helps your entire team in fights, with some exceptions of course. It also provides you with CDR which is always crucial for tanky guys that rely more on their cc to lock targets down than their damage output. Also, Aegis->Locket is kind of too expensive to get for most supports these days and having one on the team helps so much. Someone like Amumu who is all about standing in the thick of things dealing AoE damage certainly makes good use of Sunfire Cape though.

EDIT: Aegis/Locket also has a p. smooth build order, which means that you can get in smaller chunks while still getting wards and what not. It's not always you can go back with the gold for a Giant's Belt or the 930 gold needed for the upgrade.

 

[Renegen]

Nidalee support can work but you have to be smart about it and I'm pretty sure it's best not to pick her into a double ad comp.

Did you actually build full tank, I don't think that's necessary, an Elder Lizard/Yomuus/BC/bork and then Randuins, Mullet, Locket, whatever. Shouldn't Rengar be the one splitpushing anyway with his turret one-shotting and stealth trolling anyways?

Duo Q:s sure mess up things, have a Plat V - Silver V on your team, translates to entire enemy team being outclassed. It sure is nice to play Brand against a really passive Fizz who can't dodge skill shots for shit. Oh by the way ZHONYA'S IS SO FUCKING CHEAP. Fizz throws ult at me and Q's - press 2, lol you can't counter that bitch. Of course were I fizz I'd also buy Zhonyas so the rare Brand skill that would hit wouldn't actually hit because this item is so balanced. Please somebody tell me what's the justification on this item?

I had a Mallet, it was pretty good at keeping Singed at bay from my other carries. Rengar couldn't split very much against Singed and he wasn't that good anyways. The full tank Nocturne is something I saw some pros do and it worked at keeping me alive, there's a big difference between a bruiser build and a tank build. In fact it kind of worked really well, I found it funny at the last teamfight their 6 item Caitlyn did nothing but annoy me with auto attacks, that was her only contribution.

Sunfire, I'm not sure what junglers you play but it's a gold inefficient item, definitively not something to get as a tank. I had Locket but I fucked up and should've gone for Randuins.

 

[Markman]

Sunfire OP for farming and pushing lanes and just makes you more tanky. I build it on pretty much any of my main junglers. Problem comes when your carrys suck and you need damage up yourself to balance out damage output. Thats my puzzle im trying to solve.
Fuck locket and its +20 armor.

Oh and supp Nid IMO is the worst pick ever. Id rather have supp Heimer. After 20 minutes in the game that setup turns into 4vs5 cause she cant do shit. No CC, no damage, no sustain. I lost a game yesterday cause of her. Man, I was pissed. And I was glad like a half an hour ago when she was picked at the enemy team. Here's how it went

Dont ever, ever pick Nid as supp. Against a bot lane with a clue, you will lose and lose miserably. And note that Supp Nid OP build. Double wands biyatch, doing 1/10 of my HP with every spear.

 

[Renegen]

Ashe jungle...

 

[Azael]

OP. Frost shot + red buff, them gangs.

 

[Markman]

Yes, even with Ashe jungle we managed to win somehow. 0/4 under 10 minutes. She got carried and shes gonna troll next game cause she just keeps on winning claiming its a legit pick.

 

[Demnogonis Saastuttaja]

I tried support Nidalee a couple of times and I consider it doable if you build well. I took her when we had tank top and jungle to add a bit of damage to the team. She felt better than Lux support at any rate.

Buy dopey pool party Lee Sin skin, play some blind pick games with him, find out he's too hard to play well, resume brainlessmode Jax (also Amumu) jungle for ~70 win rates.

 

[Azael]

I very rarely feel like I need to bring damage to my team as support. Heck, might as well use Leona then for them passive procs.

I'd also rather have Lux as support over Nid. While they both need AP to be truly useful, Lux at least packs three utility spells. I still rate Lux as a fairly crappy support though.

 

[Markman]

I would never go with Nid or Lux. If Im in doubt I just pick Taric. You can never go wrong with Taric.
Top 5 would be
1. Blitz
2. Janna
3. Sona
4. Taric
5. Tresh

 

[Demnogonis Saastuttaja]

Well sure, if you put it that way, sure, Nidalee is pretty down there considering Zyra also packs mad damage and good utility. Personally I would rate Taric pretty low due to his melee nature, and have Nami and Lulu somewhere above Sona.

Blitz is def. number uno though, if just people would stop picking Cait into Blitz, or better, Cait ever in my team I'd be a happy camper.

 

[PlanHex]

If you need more damage on your team go with Sona since her Q literally gives more damage to your entire team passively.

 

[trais]

I would never go with Nid or Lux. If Im in doubt I just pick Taric. You can never go wrong with Taric.
Top 5 would be
1. Blitz
2. Janna
3. Sona
4. Taric
5. Tresh

Roffles! That list is closer to bottom 5 than top 5.

 

[Azael]

I would question the order and inclusion of Blitz/Taric over the likes of Nami and Zyra, but bottom five?

 

[Grunker]

Janna, Sona, Thresh bottom 5 supports

rpg codex lol thread is a brilliant but dark place on the internet

 

[trais]

For supports, yes. If you talk about all champions then there are obviously worse picks.

 

[PlanHex]

inb4 nidalee and teemo best supports

 

[trais]

Janna, Sona, Thresh bottom 5 supports

rpg codex lol thread is a brilliant but dark place on the internet

Janna is good. And that's the only one champion on the list that actually have it's place in top 5.
Sona is crap. She was good at the beginning of S2, but since the meta shifted into more aggressive play she meh at best. Only useful for certain niche compositions where you can synergize her crescendo with other aoe ults.
Thresh was godlike on his release, but now he's not that scary anymore.
Blitz the same, he was very good, but the nerfbat treatment was too harsh on him as well.
Taric is jack of all trades. Safe pick, but nothing to write home about.