Vapourware That Which Sleeps - Vaporware Strategy RP

[Irenaeus II]

Wow, this seems very detailed!

 

[Rake]

 

[Starwars]

So... is this dead or what?

 

[Jaedar]

KingDinosaurGames

IS IT?

 

[KingDinosaurGames]

Not at all - just highly, highly delayed (it will be seven months as of October based on the post-KS beta date of March) for a variety of reasons that we've been pretty detailed about on the official forums. On the plus side the game looks much nicer and has a lot of added complexity, though mostly on the Dwarf Fortress/CK 2 simulation side as opposed to 4X gameplay. We're handling an issue with our Mod Tools release right now, but after that's out we're locking in the Beta and going through a testing cycle prior to release. As a part of that we'll be releasing pure gameplay videos. We do expect a long beta period so full release is certainly off the table until next year.

 

[agris]

Not at all - just highly, highly delayed (it will be seven months as of October based on the post-KS beta date of March) for a variety of reasons that we've been pretty detailed about on the official forums. On the plus side the game looks much nicer and has a lot of added complexity, though mostly on the Dwarf Fortress/CK 2 simulation side as opposed to 4X gameplay. We're handling an issue with our Mod Tools release right now, but after that's out we're locking in the Beta and going through a testing cycle prior to release. As a part of that we'll be releasing pure gameplay videos. We do expect a long beta period so full release is certainly off the table until next year.

That's great to hear. I think the incredibly short EA / beta period for Bedlam really hurt it, and I'd hate to see TWS get the same reception.

 

[Space Satan]

Dwarf Fortress/CK 2 simulation side as opposed to 4X gameplay.

Incestous inbred Old Ones erecting a masterpiece artifacts, depicting horrible beasts with hundred dicks, raping elves they enslaved in a recent raiding sail.
Yes, it will be glorious.

 

[Riso]

I don't give a fuck about this game anymore.
Instead of working on the gameplay it's only retarded modding tools shit for months on end nobody cares about or can use until there is actually a game!

 

[Ulminati]

The modding tools are nice to have for the devs as well when adding content to the game

 

[Lightsinthesky]

Well looks like control of the PR has slipped. If the forums weren't the same twelve people at all hours of the day I'd expect they'd have a harder time keeping the complaints under control.

 

[Irenaeus II]

What complaints?

 

[Andhaira]

Is this game single player only or is there a multiplayer option as well? Normally I loathe multiplayer, but in 4x strategy game, it's more fun to play against another hooman.

 

[Lucky]

Is a month of no announcements now all it takes for people to think a game's dead? Anyone thinking that those initial deadlines for the beta and mod-tools were going to be met knows less than nothing about game-development. If it had, great, but getting something this ambitious done on time with such a small team was never a realistic expectation. That's what people seem to forget; it's still been less than a year since the kickstarter finished. Getting everything done within a year with no established team and only place-holders assets, without having it turn into a broken mess, would have been downright incredible. Fuck, doing it in two years with a team like this is still pretty amazing. A lot of much larger studios perform much worse than that, while having larger budgets and more experienced teams at their disposal.
I don't really care whether they release the game this year or the next, since what I've seen and heard so far makes me confident that this isn't vaporware, and since this is shaping up to be a game that I'll be playing for years, so I'd rather see it done well than rushed out to meet deadlines or to pacify delusional fanboys. People should learn to just check in on projects occasionally, rather than obsessively tracking their progress.

What complaints?

I checked and it's just some people on the official forum getting hysterical about the delays regarding proper mod-tools and the beta.

 

[Andhaira]

Is a month of no announcements now all it takes for people to think a game's dead? Anyone thinking that those initial deadlines for the beta and mod-tools were going to be met knows less than nothing about game-development. If it had, great, but getting something this ambitious done on time with such a small team was never a realistic expectation. That's what people seem to forget; it's still been less than a year since the kickstarter finished. Getting everything done within a year with no established team and only place-holders assets, without having it turn into a broken mess, would have been downright incredible. Fuck, doing it in two years with a team like this is still pretty amazing. A lot of much larger studios perform much worse than that, while having larger budgets and more experienced teams at their disposal.
I don't really care whether they release the game this year or the next, since what I've seen and heard so far makes me confident that this isn't vaporware, and since this is shaping up to be a game that I'll be playing for years, so I'd rather see it done well than rushed out to meet deadlines or to pacify delusional fanboys. People should learn to just check in on projects occasionally, rather than obsessively tracking their progress.



I checked and it's just some people on the official forum getting hysterical about the delays regarding proper mod-tools and the beta.

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And do not return.

 

[Lightsinthesky]

Oh this isn't the initial deadlines. This is something like the third or fourth if you only count the mod tools and a couple dozen all together with those previous milestones that slipped endlessly before being quietly cancelled like the demo or the scenario viewer. And all that for a kickstarter that billed itself as being done save for a last bit of polish. I've done kickstarters before and I've seen this pattern before. I think it means no one's getting a game.

 

[Destroid]

No updates? The dev just posted in this thread 4 days ago.

 

[Ulminati]

Is this game single player only or is there a multiplayer option as well? Normally I loathe multiplayer, but in 4x strategy game, it's more fun to play against another hooman.

There's been mo mention of multiplayer so far. And since the game is very asymmetric, it'd probably be a bitch to implement.

 

[Lucky]

The kickstarter never gave me the impression that they were nearly finished, though I did go back and see that they'd been self-funding development for a year prior to launching the kickstarter. Still a really good pace with their team size. Sure, it probably would have saved them trouble if they hadn't made any promises about those tools, but the ones that matter are showing progress so I see no reason to fret yet. I simply doubt that this will be a kickstarter-dud, because the results they've shown are way beyond what is typical for projects like that. I mean, Octopus City Blues and Barkley 2 are way slower and I'm similarly not worried that they'll get released, because there's a difference between being slow and not going anywhere.

No updates? The dev just posted in this thread 4 days ago.

It's the lack of big progress updates, but the fact that there's no radio silence makes their forum drama rather premature.

There's been mo mention of multiplayer so far. And since the game is very asymmetric, it'd probably be a bitch to implement.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that they explicitly said that there will be no multiplayer. Doing that properly, while staying within budget, would not be realistic.

 

[Got bored and left]

Speaking of updates, here's a new video:

 

[Space Satan]

Good so far

 

[Rahdulan]

Absolutely amazing video and probably the best one so far when it comes to bringing a lot of game elements into a cohesive whole without getting too technical about it. Gameplay video can't come out soon enough.

 

[Obsequious Approbation]

This is glory made manifest. Getting these nice King of Dragon Pass vibes. Keep us informed and the vids coming!

 

[Nahel]

Are we finally getting a good and innovative strategy game? Sounds too good to be true!

 

[Irenaeus II]

I'm impressed. Again.

 

[agris]

KingDinosaurGames

Did I miss something, or when did you TWS get static hand-drawn maps? Or is there an additional option, Procedural Mode, that produces a random scenario with various options to tick on or off?