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The Codexian Saga LP
- Thread starter The Barbarian
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madbringer
Arcane
I vote C.
After getting up to speed on the current events, i conclude the telepathic midgets cannot be trusted. Why aid a power as trecherous and manipulative as they? Tempted as i am to enter open conflict, pitching our enemies against each can only be of benefit to us. At least the Raumen are an evil we know - and in the wake of this conflict, they will also be an evil easy to subjugate and mold to our desire, as necessary.
After getting up to speed on the current events, i conclude the telepathic midgets cannot be trusted. Why aid a power as trecherous and manipulative as they? Tempted as i am to enter open conflict, pitching our enemies against each can only be of benefit to us. At least the Raumen are an evil we know - and in the wake of this conflict, they will also be an evil easy to subjugate and mold to our desire, as necessary.
I was too slow, I had my attention focused elsewhere.treave said:
We gain nothing on a war with the Hin'in.
At least not now.
Let us strengthen our army first and then attack.
My simulations also showed that the chance of an attack against us after option C is 73.4353%.
goddamnit, councilors! just think, for MCA's sake!
which option gives us the most time to gauge our opponents? do extensive intel work? sway more clans to our side? amass more military power? etc etc...
B, of course! we needs not trade our honor and humanity with it! heed GarfunkeL's wisdom and let us be the Ribbentrop in this conflict! for if this is a trap indeed, we shall be expecting and thoroughly prepared to meet the telexenos and slaughter them like the hobbits that they are!
C is pure gambling! we could end up facing both the hin'in and the majority of the bug clans
which option gives us the most time to gauge our opponents? do extensive intel work? sway more clans to our side? amass more military power? etc etc...
B, of course! we needs not trade our honor and humanity with it! heed GarfunkeL's wisdom and let us be the Ribbentrop in this conflict! for if this is a trap indeed, we shall be expecting and thoroughly prepared to meet the telexenos and slaughter them like the hobbits that they are!
C is pure gambling! we could end up facing both the hin'in and the majority of the bug clans
madbringer
Arcane
Every option bears it's risks. Who's to say the Raumen will not catch on to the B- implied shenanigans, crippling the whole deal? True, we might end up as a punching bag for bug-mounted psychic dwarves... But it's a risk i'm willing to take, just to see all those bastards burn. Burn! :evil:
Also, agreeing to any kind of deals makes us look weak. Codexia is no longer a pushover for mightier races, and it's time the xenos learned this fact. Time to stop being a pawn, and take our seat as a player, gents.
Also, agreeing to any kind of deals makes us look weak. Codexia is no longer a pushover for mightier races, and it's time the xenos learned this fact. Time to stop being a pawn, and take our seat as a player, gents.
Angthoron
Arcane
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And the count is 1-9-11 now.
I have to say, dear Ribentrop-minding Councillors, that in order to be Ribentrop, you should be the one making the deal, not the one taking it. You're not the masterminds. You're gambling on an improvisation. Perhaps the Hin'in weren't even after conquering anything. Perhaps they're doing what we were doing all along - but they probed the minds and learned what we wanted, and what a brilliant idea it would be to make us fight their war and then take the spoils!
Remember, dear Council - we have three options before us, they have hundreds, and each is as alien as the other.
I have to say, dear Ribentrop-minding Councillors, that in order to be Ribentrop, you should be the one making the deal, not the one taking it. You're not the masterminds. You're gambling on an improvisation. Perhaps the Hin'in weren't even after conquering anything. Perhaps they're doing what we were doing all along - but they probed the minds and learned what we wanted, and what a brilliant idea it would be to make us fight their war and then take the spoils!
Remember, dear Council - we have three options before us, they have hundreds, and each is as alien as the other.
obediah
Erudite
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I hereby submit amendment 145.23.5454e.23w1, the text of option 'B' shall be revised to:
Do you... choose to accept the Hin’in deal? It means money and territory on a platter. It means more power. Perhaps it is the start of a beautiful friendship. And all Codex councilors caught viewing pornography during council meetings will be dismissed from the council.
Would anyone like to change their vote?
Do you... choose to accept the Hin’in deal? It means money and territory on a platter. It means more power. Perhaps it is the start of a beautiful friendship. And all Codex councilors caught viewing pornography during council meetings will be dismissed from the council.
Would anyone like to change their vote?
golgepapaz
Augur
I vote for C . "Hin" in my native language literally means, sly shrewd etc, let's expose the motherfuckers for what they are
Angthoron
Arcane
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Look at it the other way - now, it's a handful of Raumen. Tomorrow, it's a handful of Codexians and (if we actually manage to hold on to our mythical 50%) Codexian-space Raumen. At best we'd be purchasing a postponement and destruction of a buffer zone. At worst, we'd be opening ourselves for an attack while trying to subdue the Raumen regions.
laclongquan
Arcane
They havent dominate much of those bugs yet, only a few clans. Remember, they fight each other 100 years ago. And it result in a stalemate it seem.
Hiin's long time enemies the bug will perhaps know a few info regarding to this ability. After we expose Hiin for a dreadful puppetmaster that they are, the bugs are going to share info with us.
As for councillors who want to keep out of this war, too late. We are already in Hiin's strategy, i doubt we can live in peace. Either we intervene now to keep the war happening in Raumen's territory only (mwahgahahahah) or later on after consolidating power the Hiin and their slaves will attack us. Raumen is a known enemy and we know that they dont intend to invade us. What do we know about Hiin's intentions?
In order to limit our involvement with this war, C is the logical choice. Strange, but it is.
Hiin's long time enemies the bug will perhaps know a few info regarding to this ability. After we expose Hiin for a dreadful puppetmaster that they are, the bugs are going to share info with us.
As for councillors who want to keep out of this war, too late. We are already in Hiin's strategy, i doubt we can live in peace. Either we intervene now to keep the war happening in Raumen's territory only (mwahgahahahah) or later on after consolidating power the Hiin and their slaves will attack us. Raumen is a known enemy and we know that they dont intend to invade us. What do we know about Hiin's intentions?
In order to limit our involvement with this war, C is the logical choice. Strange, but it is.
madbringer
Arcane
Keep in mind that one of the most important things keeping those demonic hobbits from dominating the Raumeni is their segmented society - ours is different, and, dare i say, more prone to subtle manipulation, propaganda and coercion. Not like we would ever exploit those shortcomings, but i bet my frostbitten beard the hin'in would. And will, if you give them a chance!
They don't deserve neither our acceptance nor mercy.
They don't deserve neither our acceptance nor mercy.
Heechee
Liturgist
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Some of those who keep spreading their fantasies should realize that had the Hin'in truly been capable of any significant mindcontrol, they would have already dominated the galaxy before Codexians killed the first mammoth. Telepathy does not necessarily mean mindcontrol.
laclongquan said:
but that's exactly the problem. we don't know anything about them, let alone their intentions, and option B is the only one that gives us enough time to actually gather some meaningful intel before plunging into a war with what seems to be the most dangerous enemy so far.
KNOW THY ENEMY, councilors! that should be our priority! for all we know, they advanced and expanded immensely in those 100 years and now they could crush the raumen in a matter of months but choose not to do so just for lulz (and since they devise this most excellent of plans, they wouldn't waste much of their precious resources/xenos/whatever).
we're not choosing B just because we want bug territory and sex-slaves (because we don't. we'd, secretly, grant them full autonomy (in exchange for tech and more favorable trading agreements) but with a facade of precarious control for the hin'in so that we can prepare for this most glorious of wars and get most (all?) of the clans on our side against the telexenos... hell, now that we have bearstealth (and i imagine we somewhat improved the design with our fabled codexian ingenuity) we can place quite a bit of hidden carrier groups along the border for scouting, backstabbing maneuvers if they try to invade etc etc...)
tl;dr: option B buys us enough time to adequately prepare a war against an unknown enemy, option C is a 50/50 chance that it could turn all the insectoid clans against us (although, to be fair, so does option B without proper diplomacy)
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