What happened to Kalin

[Twiglard]

The reason I do VALUE this place is because it's the only place where you can have a semblance of freedom of conversation, other than 4chan.

There are also the Farms. They're actually not creepy or weird even if they get painted as such in the media.

 

[Kev Inkline]

I just want to mention I'll keep on donating and supporting this website fully no matter what rightful decisions our level-headed admins make.

Now, about those avatars....? Maybe introduce just one or two of them first, if they take up too much bandwidth as a group?

Erritis perhaps?

 

[Scruffy]

By the way, telling that only the resident turbo retards like Scruffy are defending DU.
But leaders attract the appropriate followers.

imagine thinking I'm "defending DU" but then calling others retards.

 

[Fedora Master]

The reason I do VALUE this place is because it's the only place where you can have a semblance of freedom of conversation, other than 4chan.

There are also the Farms. They're actually not creepy or weird even if they get painted as such in the media.

Null is a tranny chaser and KF seems to be devolving into a tranny stalking forum, totally no homo though.

 

[Fedora Master]

By the way, telling that only the resident turbo retards like Scruffy are defending DU.
But leaders attract the appropriate followers.

imagine thinking I'm "defending DU" but then calling others retards.

You're clearly on the side of random bans for people judging by your rating behavior.

 

[Stavrophore]

If you start power tripping, you lose everyone's respect

ah shit, imagine that. imagine losing the respect of a bunch of people who use a videogame forum to post about how evolution isn't real, vaccines are poison and skin color is what makes someone a human or not. people who think they have forbidden knowledge and understand how reality REALLY works, not like those sheeple with actual lives and actual jobs and actual families.

yeah DU careful, you don't want to lose the respect of these fine specimen

"I'm liberal and i'm tolerant, but everyone who doesn't partake in a society the way i like it, and criticize my beloved idea of social system is a subhuman". Im sure you would treat the twitter liberal mob, trannies and antifa the same way, i'm so suuuuure...
Scruffy who made you such hypocritical fuck?

 

[Scruffy]

By the way, telling that only the resident turbo retards like Scruffy are defending DU.
But leaders attract the appropriate followers.

imagine thinking I'm "defending DU" but then calling others retards.

You're clearly on the side of random bans for people judging by your rating behavior.

imagine still not understanding that the bans were not "random" after all that was written in this thread, but calling others retards.

 

[Kev Inkline]

I just want to mention I'll keep on donating and supporting this website fully no matter whatever rightful decisions our level-headed admins make.

Now, about those avatars....? Maybe introduce just one or two of them first, if they take up too much bandwidth as a group?

Erritis perhaps?

Ok, I get it...how much?

 

[Scruffy]

If you start power tripping, you lose everyone's respect

ah shit, imagine that. imagine losing the respect of a bunch of people who use a videogame forum to post about how evolution isn't real, vaccines are poison and skin color is what makes someone a human or not. people who think they have forbidden knowledge and understand how reality REALLY works, not like those sheeple with actual lives and actual jobs and actual families.

yeah DU careful, you don't want to lose the respect of these fine specimen

I'm liberal and i'm tolerant, but everyone who doesn't partake in a society the way i like it, and criticize my beloved idea of social system is a subhuman. Im sure you would treat the twitter liberal mob, trannies and antifa the same way, i'm so suuuuure...
Scruffy who made you such hypocritical fuck?

please oh please, please tell your handlers to change talking points, hearing the same vomit over and over is just so boring.
yes, you're a champion of truth and all that stands between the good ole days and the utter degeneracy of the modern times
now fuck off you delusional twat

 

[BING XI LAO]

please oh please, please tell your handlers to change talking points, hearing the same vomit over and over is just so boring.

ah shit, imagine that. imagine losing the respect of a bunch of people who use a videogame forum to post about how evolution isn't real, vaccines are poison and skin color is what makes someone a human or not. people who think they have forbidden knowledge and understand how reality REALLY works, not like those sheeple with actual lives and actual jobs and actual families.

zero self-awareness, your petty snobbery about the latest culture war issues is dime-a-dozen. Could read it posted 10,000 times by random redditors

 

[Tacgnol]

I just want to mention I'll keep on donating and supporting this website fully no matter whatever rightful decisions our level-headed admins make.

Now, about those avatars....? Maybe introduce just one or two of them first, if they take up too much bandwidth as a group?

Erritis perhaps?

Ok, I get it...how much?

I'd also be willing to chip in to get the Numenera collectors edition avatars added. I don't understand why they used the final product over these masterpieces.

 

[Scruffy]

please oh please, please tell your handlers to change talking points, hearing the same vomit over and over is just so boring.

ah shit, imagine that. imagine losing the respect of a bunch of people who use a videogame forum to post about how evolution isn't real, vaccines are poison and skin color is what makes someone a human or not. people who think they have forbidden knowledge and understand how reality REALLY works, not like those sheeple with actual lives and actual jobs and actual families.

zero self-awareness, your petty snobbery about the latest culture war issues is dime-a-dozen. Could read it posted 10,000 times posted by random redditors

here comes another one of the resident geniuses with their novel talking points

 

[IDtenT]

If you start power tripping, you lose everyone's respect

ah shit, imagine that. imagine losing the respect of a bunch of people who use a videogame forum to post about how evolution isn't real, vaccines are poison and skin color is what makes someone a human or not. people who think they have forbidden knowledge and understand how reality REALLY works, not like those sheeple with actual lives and actual jobs and actual families.

yeah DU careful, you don't want to lose the respect of these fine specimen

"I'm liberal and i'm tolerant, but everyone who doesn't partake in a society the way i like it, and criticize my beloved idea of social system is a subhuman". Im sure you would treat the twitter liberal mob, trannies and antifa the same way, i'm so suuuuure...
Scruffy who made you such hypocritical fuck?

Inflated Ego.

 

[BING XI LAO]

please oh please, please tell your handlers to change talking points, hearing the same vomit over and over is just so boring.

ah shit, imagine that. imagine losing the respect of a bunch of people who use a videogame forum to post about how evolution isn't real, vaccines are poison and skin color is what makes someone a human or not. people who think they have forbidden knowledge and understand how reality REALLY works, not like those sheeple with actual lives and actual jobs and actual families.

zero self-awareness, your petty snobbery about the latest culture war issues is dime-a-dozen. Could read it posted 10,000 times posted by random redditors

here comes another one of the resident geniuses with their novel talking points

You brought up politics in the most generic way possible but then complained about originality. This kind of thing is why you are a total idiot.

 

[Twiglard]

here comes another one of the resident geniuses with their novel talking points

You're a pathetic little shitlib, so don't be surprised your words have none of the gravitas that you'd expect.

No one likes a shitlib.

 

[Scruffy]

You brought up politics in the most generic way possible but then complained about originality. This kind of thing is why you are a total idiot.

if you think evolution, vaccines and skin color are about politics, you should perhaps get off the internet

 

[Tacgnol]

To be fair, DU's stance on legal issues etc is pretty normal and fair. He'll comply with legit requests, cos otherwise he'll get arrested or dragged through the courts and they'll probably just seize the data anyway.

I doubt DU is just gonna hand over everything to some guy with his sender name as "FBI CHIEF MAN" with the subject "GIEF DATA" if he asks.

 

[Alter Sack]

why do people think that "free speech" is somehow related to some guy's website?

What are you on about?

Rpgcodex is a private forum with DU as a benevolent dictator.

DU pays the bills and can do what he wants in his little kingdom.

But DU seems to be a somewhat staunch supporter of free speech. Otherwise he wouldn't let people post some of the shit they do.

(Well, maybe he is too lazy to moderate his forum accordingly but that's another issue).

Free speech becomes an issue if authorities monitor these "private" (well they are public) discussions on private forums, chats etc. and use them to criminalize their citizen for maybe edgy but still legal comments.

There is also a danger that providers of these platforms will censor these discussions in anticipatory obedience.

Fortunately we are not here yet in the west.

But it's necessary for a healthy democratic society that its citizen can freely discuss on private platforms without fearing prosecution from the authorities.

And rpgcodex is such a platform.

 

[Dexter]

Just to sum up important and helpful things we've learned here:

The issue here is not access. The issue is use of information. Just because you have information doesn't mean you should use it. I fucked up when I referred to what's his face because he has a really memorable name (for reasons I won't go into). I see all the payment information that comes through and who it comes from. And it all goes to my accountant too, for tax purposes. (We actually need to figure out what country every donation is from, so we can pay the appropriate level of tax - though thankfully PayPal has a report for that now which makes it a bit easier - so Fun Fact™ If you've ever donated, I've had to figure out where you live for tax purposes).

We're volunteers, running a website for fun. If you want to be serious, I will put up the most draconian end user terms that make it clear that we will use anything and everything you post in whatever way we so deem fit. And I will make you click "agree" before you register. Smart cookies would realise we already do. Though I doubt any of you have actually read it, just like everything else you've ever clicked agree to.

For example, any Administrator on the website can access your profile. In that, we can see your email address. I can take that email address, google all or any part of it (which for most people is fairly unique) and find instagram accounts, twitter, old dating profiles, facebook, your employment, the list goes on. Most social media apps these days have a function that allows you to find users based on their email address.

We can go one further and cross reference with everything you've ever posted. You mentioned a favourite taco joint, or a school you went to, or your home town? We can check that against your time-zone (and let's be honest, most of you chose your local time zone didn't you? You'd be surprised at how easily that narrows your location down). Hell, there's even a field for date of birth on here.

Up next, we can pull your IP address, which is saved with every post you make, over the 10+ years some users have been posting here. Did you remember to use your VPN every time? I mean, every single time? Because I can download public lists of VPNs and TOR exit nodes, compare them to every IP you've posted from, pull out the ones that don't come up as public proxies, and check if there's a pattern. Maybe it's always the same exit node, maybe it's always a VPN from the same country, maybe you forgot just that one time and posted from your mobile device.

The Codex's Privacy and data retention policy is that they will collect any and all data you might knowingly or unknowingly provide, and will keep it for perpetuity to be used against you if and when deemed necessary by any of the respective staff. They will also use the gathered data to collect and collate more data about you at their discretion/within their autismal powers for said purpose.

As an example, Australian ISPs and telecommunication companies which DarkUnderlord is probably using are only legally obligated to retain such data for up to 2 years, and in a form "encrypted and protected from unauthorised interference and access": https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/abou...telecommunications/data-retention-obligations

Steam for instance only stores such data for the period required by law: https://store.steampowered.com/privacy_agreement/

We will only store your information as long as necessary to fulfil the purposes for which the information is collected and processed or — where the applicable law provides for longer storage and retention period — for the storage and retention period required by law. After that your Personal Data will be deleted, blocked or anonymized, as provided by applicable law.

I'm not fucking taking on your Government on your behalf, and at our expense. We're a fucking RPG website. You use the service at your own risk. If you're not comfortable with that risk: click here. And if you're genuinely concerned about what you've posted here because of that, then you really need to reconsider whether you should be posting here.

DarkUnderlord will sell you out, as a matter of policy, to whatever authoritarian government sends a data information request about you or anyone else without even thinking about fighting it or not complying, and will use the data gathered as explained above without ifs or buts. Think about that when you're posting jokes about Winnie-the-Pooh, make commentary about P00tin or Erdog00n while in a respective region or are gay-while-in-Iran (I think there was such a user).

You wouldn't expect the Codex to go as far as autistic Swedes running a piracy website in protecting their users, but even companies like Apple, Facebook or Twatter consider such requests carefully before possibly responding, and in some cases and regarding specific countries do not comply more often than they do:
https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/choose-country-region.html
https://transparency.twitter.com/en/reports/information-requests.html
https://transparency.fb.com/data/government-data-requests/country

It's good to have some of these things cleared up, since they aren't outlined in either your "forum rules" or any prospective "Privacy policy" and people can modify their behavior and act better accordingly. Consider this when signing up, browsing or thinking about donating to any upcoming Codex Fundraising efforts.

yeah DU careful, you don't want to lose the respect of these fine specimen

The morphing of the Codex into a Respectful Gaming Journalism Outlet™ progresses apace, I see.

 

[Scruffy]

Rpgcodex is a private forum with DU as a benevolent dictator.

DU pays the bills and can do what he wants in his little kingdom.

precisely. do you not see, from this premise, why then bitching about "free speech" is retarded? Even if the local benevolent dictator is fine with X and Y, doesn't mean it's "free speech". It's "free speech within the limits the benevolent dictator allows". Which is not free speech.

 

[Stavrophore]

To be fair, DU's stance on legal issues etc is pretty normal and fair. He'll comply with legit requests, cos otherwise he'll get arrested or dragged through the courts and they'll probably just seize the data anyway.

I doubt DU is just gonna hand over everything to some guy with his sender name as "FBI CHIEF MAN" with the subject "GIEF DATA" if he asks.

No one is expecting to do illegal things or don't comply. Just comply with appropriate authorities like australian ones, and if iran, north korea, germany, poland or kazakhstan or other country want something, don't give them anything unless you are obliged to do so by law.
That's the whole crux, why people mull over this again and again and misunderstand the issue? Do people really had no idea how law between countries works before stumbling on this topic?

 

[A horse of course]

Just to illustrate the point I was making earlier: When I posted my first video (the Icewind Dale retrospective) on youtube, I enabled the comments filter that lets me review anything people try to post. I thought I was being a bit overzealous, but I didn't really want shoutbox culture influencing my channel - I wanted it to be a comfy, SFW thing, not a chan board.

One of the first comments was somebody from here calling me a pedophile. So yeah, I'm glad my name isn't directly connected to RPG Codex.

 

[Tacgnol]

To be fair, DU's stance on legal issues etc is pretty normal and fair. He'll comply with legit requests, cos otherwise he'll get arrested or dragged through the courts and they'll probably just seize the data anyway.

I doubt DU is just gonna hand over everything to some guy with his sender name as "FBI CHIEF MAN" with the subject "GIEF DATA" if he asks.

No one is expecting to do illegal things or don't comply. Just comply with appropriate authorities like australian ones, and if iran, north korea, germany, poland or kazakhstan or other country want something, don't give them anything unless you are obliged to do so by law.
That's the whole crux, why people mull over this again and again and misunderstand the issue? Do people really had no idea how law between countries works before stumbling on this topic?

That's what I mean by "legit", I doubt DU would comply with anything he doesn't legally have to.

I.e. Winnie the Pooh wanting the details of Licorice etc so they can be awarded the People's Freedom award or w/e.

 

[PorkyThePaladin]

Seems like a lot of ado about nothing.

Kalin and co were being obnoxious cunts (since the start), in addition to being actual Nazi fucks, and as if all of that wasn't enough, crossed the doxing lines. If anything, the mods here have been very restrained.

 

[NJClaw]

Now that the discussion seems to have reached its natural conclusion, can we please get everyone back? Kalin maybe needed a timeout, but everyone else just shitposted at the wrong time.