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Editorial Where No Game Has Gone Before: How Mass Effect Challenges Sci Fi's Greatest Achievements

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which gives the Mass Effect universe its Hard SF backbone


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FTL and and near-human aliens instantly wrench any zany space adventure from the realms of Hard SF. :obviously:
 

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I clicked on Or don't, and it still took me to the article. Frankly, I feel like my decisions have been ignored.
 

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BROS I SAID ME IS RELATIVELY HARD SCIFI FOR VIDEO GAMES

I THINK IT TRIED BUT IT DID BAD AT TRYING IN MANY RESPECTS I FEEL BAD FOR THERE ATTEMPTS AT PHYSICS

It didn't tried. This ''hard sci-fi'' was just a shitty window dressing.
Deus Ex may be relatively hard Sci-fi.
Some more obscure examples are Martian Gothic: Unification, Sentient, Colony Wars etc.
Just because ME has a bunch of descriptions about some sci-fi stuff that no one cares, doesn't mean that it elevates above it's space opera status.
Heck, even FFVII counts as ''relatively hard sci-fi'' by IGN terms.
 

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I just can't understand how these people seem to find something profound in Mass Effect. It's like if someone read a random supermarket romance novel and then went around raving about it as if they'd just read something by Kafka or Dostoyevsky. Why are they so eager so see depth where there is only derp?
 

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"Surprisingly, one of the strongest science-fiction influences on the narrative of Mass Effect 3 isn't Arthur C. Clarke or Robert A. Heinlein."

Not surprising at all actually. If Mass Effect was mostly inspired by Robert Heinlein it would be way different. You wouldn't be able to play a female shepard, every woman you meet would want to jump your bones, and your crew would be an unorthodox family where everyone has sex with everyone else, and they're all completely cool with it. Instead of Shepard dying at the beginning of ME2 he would appear to die right at the end of ME1 only to have his future-self time traveler intervene and save him.

Heinlein trolling us from the grave.
 

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Why are they so eager so see depth where there is only derp?
Insomnia.ac said:
The story of the New Games Journalist, as well as the story of the New Games Journalist-wannabe (which is what every professional games writer is nowadays) is the story of a man-child who has grown older in body but not in spirit. Imagine a person who has grown up on games and game magazines, and stuff like comics, anime, sci-fi novels, etc. Everyone around him is growing up, getting jobs, growing more serious, starting families, etc., whereas he still spends most of his time on games -- he may be a games journalist, or he may be working in the games industry, or he may simply be a salaryman whose recreation consists almost exclusively of videogames (and stuff like anime, etc.) People like that end up going through life with a bad conscience ("Conscience is the instinct of the herd in the individual", Nietzsche had said). What these people end up wondering sooner or later is this: "If everyone else is getting more serious," they ask themselves, "shouldn't I be doing the same as well? And if my chosen job and/or recreation is videogames, doesn't that mean that they should be getting more serious as well? Deeper, more meaningful and more profound? More "artistic"?

Enough! Whether videogames are really growing deeper, more meaningful and more profound is irrelevant to these people -- they must and will be shown to be doing so in order to assuage the bad conscience of these men-children! These people have at last come to crave some degree of seriousness and profundity in their lives, some depth of feeling, some measure of spirituality; as human beings it is almost a biological necessity for them, and definitely a sociological one (this is the origin of their bad conscience -- the pressure to "grow up"), and since they have not bothered at any point to take an interest in, say, history, literature or philosophy -- fields of human endeavor which would have quenched the thirst for depth and spirituality of even the most spiritually thirsty human being, leaving him now with the opposite need, a need for frivolity, shallowness, playfulness, in short, a need for games -- the only place they can look for spirituality now is in the only place they know. And if they can't find it there, if it turns out that it simply doesn't exist there, that will in no way prevent them from miraculously discovering it -- by inventing it.
 

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I can think of only a single example of sci-fi done right when it comes to video games, Rama, and it was an adventure/puzzle game based on Arthur Clarke's books.. I think that kind of setting is just too unpopular to be adapted to video games, particularly in the days of big budget crap.
 

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I clicked on Or don't, and it still took me to the article. Frankly, I feel like my decisions have been ignored.



Well what did you expect grotsnic? This is the same way that Bioware handles its C&C. They only give you the illusion of choice, but they all lead to the same outcome. Duh.
 

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Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
"Scientific outlook" gives something Hard SF backbone :retarded:

Anyway, I recently met a girl online. She's a diehard Bioware fan, especially of the ME series. She's also very conservative, a virgin and against sex before marriage and I'm not sure she'd have sex even after marriage. And she's also a hamburger helper.

Average profile of Bioware fanbase?

Yeah mang, "very conservative" is pretty much how I'd describe the average homosexuality and feminism obsessed bioware fanboy.:retarded:
 

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I can't wait for DraQ to see this one :troll:
DraQ has seen this one. Has seen it so well, that he couldn't muster any coherent response up until now*.

:x

I mean where do I even start?

Hard SF?
What hard is there in ME? Blue xenosexual lesbians from outer space? Ez and mass effect, with former not being elaborated in any way AFAIK, and latter being a typical example of "I have a brilliant idea for scifi FFUUUU- it doesn't work!", with problems piling up when you try to consider it - relativity getting raped, conservation of energy going out of the window, etc.

Better than anything else?
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It's not even original, weren't there mass effect fields in Lensmen? Wasn't that before fucking '50s?

And then you have ME2 and ME3 - derpy skeleton cyborg filled with human jelly and nebulous "essence" of some sort? Check. Cyborg rays? Check.
Even if we assume that ME1 might have pretended to be a semi decent, if soft-y, SF, the sequels invalidate this claim.
Compfuckingletely.

Also, Star Wars? Star Trek? How about some Clarke or Lem? Or Niven at the very least?

:rage:

It's not a very flattering article. We decide on something really ridiculous and then we force our science guy to retcon an explanation. Poor guy's head is probably going to explode.

I kind of admire the guy. I mean he still hasn't gone on an axe murder spree around BW offices. I probably would in his place. In two days tops.


*hopefuly.

P.S. What was the official explanation of the Reapers?

P.P.S. Posting drank on teh cockdex, excuse any omissions or lack of coherence.
 

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The official explanation of Reapers?

I got you covered there mang. Here you go:

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Hey, don't post that brain-full-of-fuck image from that dawg meme. While this is indeed the in-game explanation, the delivery in-game is MUCH stupider.

Speaking of Niven I had to admit I found him surprisingly enjoyable when I read Ringworld. It's harder SF than I expected it to be and the fact that alien physiology is different form humans' plays a pivotal role at several points. Pretty good stuff.

Also, I'd still consider Star Trek SF to be harder than ME. At least ST doesn't have any actual magic even if it's pretty soft on the SF scale. ME's closer to SW in this regard.

My biggest beef with Ez is that it's WAY too much of a magical phlebotinum. It does EVERYTHING: FTL, space magic biotics, currency for buying upgrades... it's way beyond ridiculous. Especially since nothing about it is ever developed in any interesting way (or any way period): it's there, it explains all the cool shit the writers want to come up with, and that is that.
 

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Who the fuck asked you anything? stfu.

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Remember when Sovereign said Reavers cannot be understood by mere organics and humans Draq?

Turns out it was true.

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Hey, don't post that brain-full-of-fuck image from that dawg meme. While this is indeed the in-game explanation, the delivery in-game is MUCH stupider.
How is that even possible?
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Speaking of Niven I had to admit I found him surprisingly enjoyable when I read Ringworld. It's harder SF than I expected it to be and the fact that alien physiology is different form humans' plays a pivotal role at several points. Pretty good stuff.
Well, it is essentialy a space opera and there is a number of technologies and substances that offer no explanation regarding how to they work, yet play pivotal roles in the universe. Other than that, shit is hard and even those technologies/substances work in strictly defined manner, so no "green rocks (mass) effect".

The thing is that Niven thinks his stuff through and works out the physics/math/implications himself or with someone's assistance rather than throwing retarded ideas at the "science guy", presumably 'till he breaks down and starts crying uncontrollably in the corner.

BTW: Have you read Integral Trees? I can't remember.

My biggest beef with Ez is that it's WAY too much of a magical phlebotinum. It does EVERYTHING: FTL, space magic biotics, currency for buying upgrades... it's way beyond ridiculous. Especially since nothing about it is ever developed in any interesting way (or any way period): it's there, it explains all the cool shit the writers want to come up with, and that is that.
How incredibly hard. :M

So hey, maybe Unreal is hard SF too now? It has tarydium.
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Mein Bro, Unreal is as hard-sci as Krupp-steel compared to Mass Effect. Marathon and System Shock are made out of diamond.
 

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How is that even possible?
I'd post a link but you'd probably retaliate with the female PA, and we don't want that.

BTW: Have you read Integral Trees? I can't remember.
No. Recommended? The only Nivens I've read were Ringworld and Ringworld Engineers. Loved the first one. Second was alright; in some ways even harder than first, as it looks like Niven had some fun tearing down the theories formulated in first book that weren't hard enough, but it lacks this sense of wonder that the first elicited. Not to mention the first book's ending is just superb.

So hey, maybe Unreal is hard SF too now? It has tarydium.
I know you're joking, but I would definitely count it as harder than ME actually. Not because its science makes more sense or is more developed, but because there's less out-there stuff to be handwaved by the unobtainium. At least Unreal doesn't have any space magic or universal translator or any of this shit.
 

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I'd post a link but you'd probably retaliate with the female PA, and we don't want that.
I won't retaliate with either PA, spidergun or poor "halp wat happen to me" Skaarj.

No. Recommended?
Depends. Story is pretty simple, characters aren't terribly complex either. The question is whether you rate biosphere that has evolved in constant freefall environment within a gas torus sustained by a gas giant in process of being slowly pulled apart due to being caught inside Roche limit and orbiting a neutron star (in safe-ish distance) which in turn forms a binary system with a sun-like star, allowing for pretty tolerable conditions apart from lack of gravity or solid surface as "orgasmic, must read" or "orgasmic, must read".

Starring: low-tech civilization of evolved human colonists.

Guest starring: integral trees (massive, tidally locked, tree like plant organisms shaped like an integral symbol and about 100km long).

Also starring: orbital mechanics.

I know you're joking, but I would definitely count it as harder than ME actually. Not because its science makes more sense or is more developed, but because there's less out-there stuff to be handwaved by the unobtainium. At least Unreal doesn't have any space magic or universal translator or any of this shit.
Uh, but you have translator in Unreal and there are levitating Nali.
:P
 
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I just can't understand how these people seem to find something profound in Mass Effect. It's like if someone read a random supermarket romance novel and then went around raving about it as if they'd just read something by Kafka or Dostoyevsky. Why are they so eager so see depth where there is only derp?

You should know that the conversation with Sovereign from ME1 is widely considered masterful writing and powerful moment, and Dark Revan twist from KoTOR is according to many best plot twist ever made. I don't know how could the gaming market become so plebian in so little time.
 

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Because shouting how awesome it is makes them feel better about "participating" in it. They are reinforcing and embellishing their emotional engagement that came primarily from shallow things like niceness of graphics and butts and boobs and ... gay sex and whatever.
Same thing is happening with Game of thrones TV show morons, for example.

The same "its awesome" - "Best ever" - " unique" etc, etc.
Together with occasional acknowledgement of something that could be better followed by immediate "but i still think its awesome, yeah!" and nonsensical excuses.

Same switch is triggered.
 

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