World of Whorecraft: Battle for Asseroth

[Caim]

So, the EU token plummeted to 31k as opposed to 20k for the AM one. That kinda makes sense, considering €20 > $20.

€20 is as of this post a mere $21,76, so it still doesn't really match up.

 

[Revenant]

You know, you are right. By the way, what really guarantees that Blizzard doesn't create more tokens than people buy and only creates an appearance of a real token market? After all, all players do are either buy or sell tokens for a fixed price, anonymously, region-wide. In theory, Blizzard could set any price for the token they want and it would be impossible to unravel unless third parties had access to real-money store token purchases.

 

[dibens]

So, running around with trial account atm in Venture Co server. Never had a char higher than 43. Is it fun later on? Any codex guilds? At what point in the game can one reliably earn that amount of gold for playtime tokens?

 

[Revenant]

No, it's absolutely not worthy to play the endgame anymore. With garrisons, it degraded to a facebook style game with hourly asset management. While you could in principle ignore garrisons, that makes you less competitive as a player, and the recently introduced P2W pushes this issue in your face even stronger as without farming your garrison you will have to buy a lot of mats and items from the auction house.

While the option of buying game time with gold appears viable at the first glance, it appears really lackluster once your give it some thought. Obtaining a few tens of thousands of gold monthly (the current price of the token) isn't that trivial - depending on your method of farming, it may take you from a few to a few dozen hours, and that is assuming gold farming won't become harder once the P2W model sinks in (Blizzard already nerfed gold gains from doing old content, so further obstacles in obtaining large quantities of gold may be implemented). And you have to keep in mind that while you will be farming gold for game time, Blizzard will continue introducing new gold sinks into the game while gold buyers will flash around their pretty gear and vanity items that were earned essentially by your labor. This will not be fun.

If you really want to get into playing WoW for free, I think one month of subscription that you get with the battle chest will be enough. All you have to do is level one character to the cap and maybe raise one gathering profession, most likely skinning. This can be accomplished in two-three weeks with casual play. Again, playing WoW just to farm gold to play WoW won't be as fun as you think. Basically, unless you have a good raiding/roleplaying guild, it is pointless to play WoW at the moment, as PvP is reported to be quite sub-par in Warlords.

 

[Angthoron]

No, it's absolutely not worthy to play the endgame anymore. With garrisons, it degraded to a facebook style game with hourly asset management. While you could in principle ignore garrisons, that makes you less competitive as a player, and the recently introduced P2W pushes this issue in your face even stronger as without farming your garrison you will have to buy a lot of mats and items from the auction house.

LFR provides you with all that gear for free. Once you've geared a bit, there's a "Looking for..." tool that you can use to get into Normal raids. Again, without lots of mats from the AH and zero involvement in garrisons. Hourly asset management is a non-issue in end-game as well, since you'll be hardly bothering to use shit once a day at most. If gear is actually your concern, AH is the least viable route, only useful for gearing up for first tier of LFR. And even that is piss-easy.

While the option of buying game time with gold appears viable at the first glance, it appears really lackluster once your give it some thought. Obtaining a few tens of thousands of gold monthly (the current price of the token) isn't that trivial - depending on your method of farming, it may take you from a few to a few dozen hours, and that is assuming gold farming won't become harder once the P2W model sinks in (Blizzard already nerfed gold gains from doing old content, so further obstacles in obtaining large quantities of gold may be implemented). And you have to keep in mind that while you will be farming gold for game time, Blizzard will continue introducing new gold sinks into the game while gold buyers will flash around their pretty gear and vanity items that were earned essentially by your labor. This will not be fun.

AH trading. Why farm when you can benefit from others' financial ignorance? Buy cheap, sell high, keep the margin. Okay, you CAN farm some gold in old raids, 250g per dead boss, good starter money for AH trades.

 

[Xenich]

No, it's absolutely not worthy to play the endgame anymore. With garrisons, it degraded to a facebook style game with hourly asset management. While you could in principle ignore garrisons, that makes you less competitive as a player, and the recently introduced P2W pushes this issue in your face even stronger as without farming your garrison you will have to buy a lot of mats and items from the auction house.

While the option of buying game time with gold appears viable at the first glance, it appears really lackluster once your give it some thought. Obtaining a few tens of thousands of gold monthly (the current price of the token) isn't that trivial - depending on your method of farming, it may take you from a few to a few dozen hours, and that is assuming gold farming won't become harder once the P2W model sinks in (Blizzard already nerfed gold gains from doing old content, so further obstacles in obtaining large quantities of gold may be implemented). And you have to keep in mind that while you will be farming gold for game time, Blizzard will continue introducing new gold sinks into the game while gold buyers will flash around their pretty gear and vanity items that were earned essentially by your labor. This will not be fun.

If you really want to get into playing WoW for free, I think one month of subscription that you get with the battle chest will be enough. All you have to do is level one character to the cap and maybe raise one gathering profession, most likely skinning. This can be accomplished in two-three weeks with casual play. Again, playing WoW just to farm gold to play WoW won't be as fun as you think. Basically, unless you have a good raiding/roleplaying guild, it is pointless to play WoW at the moment, as PvP is reported to be quite sub-par in Warlords.

This is exactly why I dislike these systems. Everything from the game design and balancing to the actual focus of play becomes about the AH and gimmicking the system while game play goes out the window. It is why every game that goes FTP is complete shit.

 

[Scroo]

I entered the AH trading business on Angthoron's advice

inb4 completely broke tomorrow

 

[Angthoron]

I entered the AH trading business on Angthoron's advice

inb4 completely broke tomorrow

All part of the plan.

 

[Revenant]

LFR provides you with all that gear for free. Once you've geared a bit, there's a "Looking for..." tool that you can use to get into Normal raids. Again, without lots of mats from the AH and zero involvement in garrisons. Hourly asset management is a non-issue in end-game as well, since you'll be hardly bothering to use shit once a day at most. If gear is actually your concern, AH is the least viable route, only useful for gearing up for first tier of LFR. And even that is piss-easy.

Last time I played, follower missions (one of the garrison minigames) rewarded higher-than-LFR gear (ilvl 645, while High Maul LFR was ilvl 640 then), plus there are always a few craftable items with a much higher ilvl than LFR and profession work orders from the garrison really help to make them quicker. Besides, if I have to choose between LFR and garrison farming, I'm not sure which is worse, as Warlords removed any challenge whatsoever from LFR and now pretty much all you have to do is stroll along with the band for some good 20 minutes. That is crap.

AH trading. Why farm when you can benefit from others' financial ignorance? Buy cheap, sell high, keep the margin. Okay, you CAN farm some gold in old raids, 250g per dead boss, good starter money for AH trades.

I'm not sure AH trading is a good suggestion for a fresh player like dibens who is looking for a reliable source of gold to buy game time. With farming you can more or less predict how much gold will you make in an hour, while AH trading can effectively leave you on thin ice before your sub expires.

 

[Angthoron]

LFR provides you with all that gear for free. Once you've geared a bit, there's a "Looking for..." tool that you can use to get into Normal raids. Again, without lots of mats from the AH and zero involvement in garrisons. Hourly asset management is a non-issue in end-game as well, since you'll be hardly bothering to use shit once a day at most. If gear is actually your concern, AH is the least viable route, only useful for gearing up for first tier of LFR. And even that is piss-easy.

Last time I played, follower missions (one of the garrison minigames) rewarded higher-than-LFR gear (ilvl 645, while High Maul LFR was ilvl 640 then), plus there are always a few craftable items with a much higher ilvl than LFR and profession work orders from the garrison really help to make them quicker. Besides, if I have to choose between LFR and garrison farming, I'm not sure which is worse, as Warlords removed any challenge whatsoever from LFR and now pretty much all you have to do is stroll along with the band for some good 20 minutes. That is crap.

The iLevel spread has changed with new raid tiers. Sure, you can still get the higher-iLevel stuff, but keep in mind that they have 2-week "cooldown". LFR gives 655/661/660/666 at the moment, and basically that's the entry level stuff you need to jump into the Normals via the group finder tool. A bit harder for melee DPS, but you can still find a group with a little bit of effort. On Normal encounters are quite fun.

AH trading. Why farm when you can benefit from others' financial ignorance? Buy cheap, sell high, keep the margin. Okay, you CAN farm some gold in old raids, 250g per dead boss, good starter money for AH trades.

I'm not sure AH trading is a good suggestion for a fresh player like dibens who is looking for a reliable source of gold to buy game time. With farming you can more or less predict how much gold will you make in an hour, while AH trading can effectively leave you on thin ice before your sub expires.

Good point. I suppose with Auctioneer it makes the AH shenanigans a bunch easier, but if dibens is properly new, then yeah. Easiest route would be to level to the top with enchanter + skinner or herbalist (maybe herbalist, because consumables), then, if there's a friend to help out, to do a few old raid runs on HC25 for starter funds, THEN get into some safe AH play.

 

[J1M]

Earning 1000g a day is a joke. No auction house arbitrage required.

Most of it can be obtained just for logging in to the garrison. Examples of gold-making activities that require minimal time investment that I don't bother with anymore:
-Collecting herbs and ore from garrison
-Trapping beasts for level 3 barn to obtain savage blood (used to be worth 4x more than they are now)

Better options:
-Go to your profession building for free gold. Inscription follower pays out 75g or more per day, tailors can sell bags every five days for 2000g, etc.
-War mill has a daily quest that gives follower gear that doesn't require your character to move.
-Level 3 inn gives more follower missions with gold as reward. With followers that have the +100% gold trait, this translates to 600g or more a day.

If you are poor, it is likely because you do not understand how the follower system works. Contrary to what others have stated above, there is little benefit to logging in more than once a day.

Your goal should be to use the inn to build up a racist group of orc followers that all have the "child of draenor" trait. Congratulations, you now have a 100% success rate on every mission.

 

[dibens]

Ok, men. I might reactivate my account, pick up a month and see what's up. Is there any pvp or rppvp euro server where any of you congregate? Thinking of doing an undead priest. I'd love to play a shammy but I hear they suck donkey dick.

 

[Revenant]

My main is on The Maelstrom-Karazhan-Deathwing-Lightning's Blade connected realm. However, lately I mostly do (non-E)RP on my alliance druid in Argent Dawn I might consider resubbing for some time to play with fellow codexers. Though I know I would regret returning to the game.

 

[Angthoron]

(non-E)RP on my alliance druid in Argent Dawn

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

 

[GarfunkeL]

So, running around with trial account atm in Venture Co server. Never had a char higher than 43. Is it fun later on? Any codex guilds? At what point in the game can one reliably earn that amount of gold for playtime tokens?

https://en.nostalrius.org/

Or save your money and play old vanilla with 6k other cunts. Enjoy ganking and safe-spot griefing and corpse-camping - both as a victim and as a perpetrator. Realize that you can only fight one monster at a time at low levels and learn to love corpse-runs. No pandas or death knights!

 

[Revenant]

(non-E)RP on my alliance druid in Argent Dawn

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Hey don't be too quick to laugh as Sha'tar is now connected to AD!!1

 

[dibens]

https://en.nostalrius.org/

Or save your money and play old vanilla with 6k other cunts. Enjoy ganking and safe-spot griefing and corpse-camping - both as a victim and as a perpetrator. Realize that you can only fight one monster at a time at low levels and learn to love corpse-runs. No pandas or death knights!

I will give it a try while I wait my account reactivation. Any codex bros on it?

 

[GarfunkeL]

As far as I know, I'm the only one. Roll Alliance, as there are more Horde than Alliance currently. But seriously, the grind in vanilla - while not as bad as in those Weeaboo MMOs - is pretty brutal if you haven't experienced it before.

I checked out modern WoW since Blizz allows me to use my old account to create new, under 20 characters. Made a nelf mage since apparently that's now possible. But instead of Fireball rank 1, I had Frostfire Bolt as my only spell. No ranks either. Costs 3 mana. Meaning that I can spam it forever. AND it dazes the target! Two-thirds of the Teldrassil quests are gone but that's okay because the remaining ones give insane experience. I made level 10 super fast. Apparently fireball and frostbolt don't exist anymore at all. New spells (frost nova and fire blast) just appeared in my spellbook when I raced through the levels. There's a FP in Dolanaar because apparently walking to Darnassus is too boring. Plus an NPC will take you to the Barrows for your quest! HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK HAVE THEY DONE TO THIS GAME?!

I guess I should roll a panda monk at some point too, just to have the authentic experience.

 

[dibens]

Well, fuck, my troll shammy is about to ding 10. Guess I can roll alliance, if you're willing to dock with me. Gib ingame name.

Yeah, the differences between today's and vanilla WoW are quite stark. I'm fighting my first boar and that fucker is resisting and dodging shit. And I'm already out of mana after few casts. By the time I got to lvl 9 , I'd be lvl 16-18 in post Cataclysm, easy. But holy shit am I enjoying it. Tons of people around leveling and doing quest parties, really helps minimising the grind. No quest compass forces you to run around a bit longer to find shit, but I guess there are some tools for that. Already got ganked and corpse camped by some Alliance fucks too. It really does feel like the game I first played all those years ago. In official servers you will be leveling completely alone. The very few people you do meet are all wearing same heirloom shit and beeline past you with their motorcycle mounts.

 

[J1M]

Fireball and frostbolt are obtained if you specialize. Frostfire bolt at level 1 is some sort of weird apology for not knowing how to handle that with their new talent system.

 

[Metro]

Making the gold isn't the problem... finding a reason to play is.

 

[Angthoron]

(non-E)RP on my alliance druid in Argent Dawn

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Hey don't be too quick to laugh as Sha'tar is now connected to AD!!1

Yeah, but it's not merged! I tried to go to Goldshire to engage in quality roleplay but the fantastic Trannies of Argent Dawn are nowhere to be seen

 

[Revenant]

(non-E)RP on my alliance druid in Argent Dawn

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Hey don't be too quick to laugh as Sha'tar is now connected to AD!!1

Yeah, but it's not merged! I tried to go to Goldshire to engage in quality roleplay but the fantastic Trannies of Argent Dawn are nowhere to be seen

Yup, that was The Scryers, sorry

EDIT: and that's the US Argent Dawn, apparently. So EU Argent Dawn might not be connected to any realm yet. However, I really saw some people from the Sha'tar running around. Maybe party transfers, though. However, you are still not safe from high population auto-transfers in the starting zone

 

[GarfunkeL]

Well, fuck, my troll shammy is about to ding 10. Guess I can roll alliance, if you're willing to dock with me. Gib ingame name

Laureliana 60 priest
Lauraliana 11 warrior
Lauroliana 18 hunter
Lauruliana 7 rogue

my nelfs :d

but hey, if you like your troll shammy, I also got a couple of lowbie cows I fool around with occasionally, I can play those.

 

[dibens]

Laureliana
Lauraliana
Lauroliana
Lauruliana

I could go both ways, really. Main reason I rolled horde, aside from the obvious Lok'Tar Ogar!, was to play a shammy, which alliance can't have. Got a lvl 8 Nelf running about already, dying all the time. Boy, are warriors shit early game. Name's Madillian. Jimjin, if horde.