Decline 90s and early 00s games had so much style, wtf happened

[Ash]

I see. Well, it wasn't significant enough to tell when I played the PC version. And many of the maps are for sure identical, it was probably just a few of the largest maps that got cut down.

 

[gabel]

The best Doom version was PC/DOS Doom.
By megaparsecs.

The fact that Playstation Doom was unique doesn't make it better in any way.

 

[Ash]

If it weren't for mods, user maps and sourceports I'd pick the PS. Unapologetically.

 

[Lucumo]

If it weren't for mods, user maps and sourceports I'd pick the PS. Unapologetically.

Don't forget LAN.

 

[Ash]

The fact that Playstation Doom was unique doesn't make it better in any way.

Yeah, sure, agree to disagree fam. those things I listed are valuable to me, but not necessarily valuable to you. There's more too though, like animated skyboxes. Towering walls of fire in the skybox of hell maps was some awesome shit.

If it weren't for mods, user maps and sourceports I'd pick the PS. Unapologetically.

Don't forget LAN.

Fair. Even though the PS version did have local MP, though less players. Never been interested in Doom MP though (Multiplayer FPS in general I like less and less every day).

 

[janior]

nothing happend you're just old

 

[Vic]

games are for kids

 

[Ash]

Eh. I was at the casino last night with all the old people playing the adult games. Utterly retarded, designed to rob your money, extremely simple and largely luck-based rules...isn't even fun. Everyone, including 95% of adults, have their playful vice. Video games are by far the best style, alongside a physical activity for balance.

It's also a far better activity than bickering on forums in almost every way. Why do we do this?

Anyway I'd say some games are more for kids than others. Like the trash YOU play.

 

[janior]

just be urself

 

[Great Deceiver]

Eh. I was at the casino last night with all the old people playing the adult games. Utterly retarded, designed to rob your money, extremely simple and largely luck-based rules...isn't even fun. Everyone, including 95% of adults, have their playful vice. Video games are by far the best style, alongside a physical activity for balance.

It's also a far better activity than bickering on forums in almost every way. Why do we do this?

Anyway I'd say some games are more for kids than others. Like the trash YOU play.

Funny part is, videogame 'design' nowadays has a lot more in common with slot machines than actual older videogames. They use the exact same predatory tactics in what they call 'monetization'.

 

[cvv]

I was at the casino last night

You could've played some games instead you know.

 

[luj1]

Coolest thing is how quickly devs leapt on new technology - pretty much as soon as it was possible to have six degrees of movement, we got Descent. Pretty much as soon as it was possible to have decent dynamic lighting, we got Thief.

The 1990s - small teams, medium budgets and technology which was just right (not too primitive, nor too advanced) allowed for maximum creativity.

Less is more is the lesson here.

 

[Ash]

I was at the casino last night

You could've played some games instead you know.

I was not at the Casino because I wanted to be. Social obligations unfortunately. I find the entire concept of Casinos utterly retarded. If I were to attend them in my own time, I would only do so in an attempt to get drunk and pick up chicks.

 

[NecroLord]

I would only do so in an attempt to get drunk and pick up chicks.

Careful who you end up picking.

 

[luj1]

Or the general decline in every sector; architecture, literature, music, games, etc.

Movies, culture, relationships, economy, privacy & freedom...

This is the only truth

 

[Great Deceiver]

I see. Well, it wasn't significant enough to tell when I played the PC version. And many of the maps are for sure identical, it was probably just a few of the largest maps that got cut down.

Come on Ash, you can see the simplification already on the first map - on E1M1, on the room right to the left of the starting position with the stairs leading up to the armour pickup, there are no pillars on the Jaguar/PSX version. There are many examples like that on all levels, and many have entire sections chopped off, including secret exits.

It's fine to like the PSX port, especially if it was your first time playing the game. But it's definitely an inferior version in many respects, not the least of which is that playing on Ultra Violence introduces a lot of Doom 2 enemies to Doom 1 levels, which completely fucks everything up, including the balance of level design and the atmosphere.

 

[Ash]

not the least of which is that playing on Ultra Violence introduces a lot of Doom 2 enemies to Doom 1 levels, which completely fucks everything up, including the balance of level design and the atmosphere.

Come on Ash, you can see the simplification already on the first map - on E1M1, on the room right to the left of the starting position with the stairs leading up to the armour pickup, there are no pillars on the Jaguar/PSX version

C'mon Sir, it's just two pillars. Hardly significant...but I respect what you're saying, because there are more significant, though still mostly quite minor, level cuts elsewhere. Still not anything that takes Doom from a 9/10 to any less than that though.

 

[Great Deceiver]

I dunno man, I don't think fighting a Mancubus on E1M1 of Doom 1 makes a lot of sense, but that's just me.

I agree that the PSX port is a fine game and I'd definitely recommend anyone to play it for the soundtrack and atmosphere alone.

 

[Lemming42]

The different music on the PS1 version (alongside the changes to level design) always made me bounce off it. I used to play it on my PSP back when PSPs were a thing because running it on a PS1 emulator was better and easier than using the crappy homebrew port of Doom that people made, but the atmosphere just felt totally wrong to me.

I mean it definitely does tap into a strong desolate and eerie feeling but if you played the original first then it's just not what you associate the game with at all, it'd be like if all the techno/dnb tracks in Unreal Tournament were suddenly replaced with classical music.

Plus the original tracks were a big draw for me, I remember as a kid I used to beg my cousin to teach me how to play the bassline from E1M2 since she was a pro bass player and had a sick guitar. I never managed it, even though it's literally like three notes.

 

[Ash]

I'd probably place the atmosphere in the top 3 most atmospheric FPS of all time. Crazy what they managed to do with it just with sound effect, lighting and music changes. I do wish the whole soundtrack wasn't like that though; that a couple levels paid homage to the original soundtrack with dark remixes. Just for variety's sake.

 

[Ash]

Or the general decline in every sector; architecture, literature, music, games, etc.

Movies, culture, relationships, economy, privacy & freedom...

This is the only truth

Journalism, the internet, food quality, psychiatry, planned obsolescence of many products...

Shall we keep going?

The great decline.

Spoiler

Food is pumped full of garbage in the west, beware!
Psychiatric care, the new approach is apparently to just save money for themselves, close down the psych wards and dump em all on the streets!

It's not all bad though. I like the convenience of modern services and the fact everyday people aren't partying 24/7 and fucked out of their minds on hard drugs. Seriously, 80s and 90s were like one big degenerate party. Probably for the best the music went to shit if it inspired that level of societal breakdown.

 

[luj1]

It's not all bad though. I like the convenience of modern services and the fact everyday people aren't partying 24/7 and fucked out of their minds on hard drugs.

Drugs much worse now than ever

Now people dont even care what music genre is being played, just gibb drugs

 

[Sunsetspawn]

ITT old people talk about Doom and Tomb Raider

 

[Zeriel]

In the 80s and 90s the guys making the games were also the guys who ran the game companies. They were passionate about the quality of the products.

By the late 90s the guys running the companies were outsiders who didn't care about the games or sellouts who didn't care anymore. The only passion was for adding zeroes to paychecks.

I think this is it, as someone who sees this in every other part of my life. Corporations just suck the soul out of everything. Publically trade ones, exponentially more so. Even if they wanted to do something creative, they can't. It's literally illegal to not make the most money possible for shareholders, which means groupthink and lowest common denominator bullshit.

 

[Ezekiel]

Or the general decline in every sector; architecture, literature, music, games, etc.

Movies, culture, relationships, economy, privacy & freedom...

This is the only truth

Journalism, the internet, food quality, psychiatry, planned obsolescence of many products...

Shall we keep going?

The great decline.

Spoiler

Food is pumped full of garbage in the west, beware!
Psychiatric care, the new approach is apparently to just save money for themselves, close down the psych wards and dump em all on the streets!

It's not all bad though. I like the convenience of modern services and the fact everyday people aren't partying 24/7 and fucked out of their minds on hard drugs. Seriously, 80s and 90s were like one big degenerate party. Probably for the best the music went to shit if it inspired that level of societal breakdown.

Food isn't just full of garbage. They also remove grain/fiber because it makes you full. So you have to eat more before you're not hungry anymore. It's why our feces is runnier and in smaller pieces than in places where corporations don't get to mess with the food so much. Someone might say, "Well, people prefer this because it tastes better, so corporations are just meeting demand." People are stupid and a government should want to have a healthy, productive population. 40 percent Americans obese, 70 percent overweight is insane, a total indightment of free market thinking.