Example of ME3's homosexual "romance" "dialogue".

[The Boring Incarnation]

*Writers Room, Bioware Edmonton Offices*

Mac Walters arrives, takes a seat on his computer.

Mac: Where shall I found a new companion for Bioware's most MAJESTIC game yet?

He scouts the plains of the Internet in search of inspiration, until...

Mac: Hmmm... There just need a bit more of...

Mac: GUYS, NEW PLAN!

 

[Andyman Messiah]

But...but.... think about the lost cinematic tension. Rape needs to be included, to create an emotional connection with the rape victims in Bioware video games.

Isn't it enough to buy their games?

 

[DraQ]

Someone should add a "Shepard-sexual" entry with this definition on TVTropes. The place is now full of ME Biowarian fans, it should be interesting to watch the fireworks.

Proceed.

 

[Wyrmlord]

This is a Prosper thread?

I had no idea there were alts of Prosper who posted in a normal, non-crazy, and even humourous manner.

 

[jcd]

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[Sceptic]

So we must murder, rape, do drugs and assist suicide to fit in?

Hey this is fun.

They would either delete it for being critical or warp it into a justification of child molestation, depending on which they think of first. With TVTropes, it's a toss-up, really.

Child molestation? o_O

But yeah they'll probably delete it as a perceived attack on their favorite franchise.

Bleh, and to think TVT used to be cool.

 

[Azalin]

Wait this EDI getting uploaded into TIM's wife's corpse thing is real? No trolling?

Fuck off Bioware.

Yes, it's real. The whole EDI romance has creepy pedofilic undertones when you consider that "she" doesn't even have a full grasp on human emotions and what have you. It also plays out as a revenge fantasy of sorts against TIM for the player.

 

[Admiral jimbob]

Child molestation? o_O

But yeah they'll probably delete it as a perceived attack on their favorite franchise.

Bleh, and to think TVT used to be cool.

They've been very fond of rape since the anime manchildren took over; the "don't be a dick" rule has led to the forums being overrun with rape apologists, genocide advocators, pedophiles and My Little Pony fans. Anyone who questions them is banned. For being a dick. See here for some snippets of the horror.

They're becoming a sort of bizzaro-GD, actually.

 

[Menckenstein]

Child molestation? o_O

But yeah they'll probably delete it as a perceived attack on their favorite franchise.

Bleh, and to think TVT used to be cool.

They've been very fond of rape since the anime manchildren took over; the "don't be a dick" rule has led to the forums being overrun with rape apologists, genocide advocators, pedophiles and My Little Pony fans. Anyone who questions them is banned. For being a dick. See here for some snippets of the horror.

They're becoming a sort of bizzaro-GD, actually.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

So many katanas

 

[Father Walker]

 

[hoopy]

Child molestation? o_O

But yeah they'll probably delete it as a perceived attack on their favorite franchise.

Bleh, and to think TVT used to be cool.

They've been very fond of rape since the anime manchildren took over; the "don't be a dick" rule has led to the forums being overrun with rape apologists, genocide advocators, pedophiles and My Little Pony fans. Anyone who questions them is banned. For being a dick. See here for some snippets of the horror.

They're becoming a sort of bizzaro-GD, actually.

I can't resist pointing out that SA has a lot in common with TVT (e.g. banning anyone who disagrees), and their thread on TVT is frequently worse than TVT itself.

 

[kris]

And sex in a video game is only about the titillation of watching the screen fade to black (or a cutscene with awkward animation, if you download the fixpack from Nexus). Adding a rape option adds only a new way of watching the screen fade to black. It is pointless.

But really that is just yours and the (I hope) majority opinion. Clearly there are people who gets something out of it, fantasize about it. In that case I would say the distinction does matter.

 

[Angthoron]

And sex in a video game is only about the titillation of watching the screen fade to black (or a cutscene with awkward animation, if you download the fixpack from Nexus). Adding a rape option adds only a new way of watching the screen fade to black. It is pointless.

But really that is just yours and the (I hope) majority opinion. Clearly there are people who gets something out of it, fantasize about it. In that case I would say the distinction does matter.

And we know that BioWare has made its fortune by catering to perverted minorities, so it's not really that far-fetched.

 

[Admiral jimbob]

Child molestation? o_O

But yeah they'll probably delete it as a perceived attack on their favorite franchise.

Bleh, and to think TVT used to be cool.

They've been very fond of rape since the anime manchildren took over; the "don't be a dick" rule has led to the forums being overrun with rape apologists, genocide advocators, pedophiles and My Little Pony fans. Anyone who questions them is banned. For being a dick. See here for some snippets of the horror.

They're becoming a sort of bizzaro-GD, actually.

I can't resist pointing out that SA has a lot in common with TVT (e.g. banning anyone who disagrees), and their thread on TVT is frequently worse than TVT itself.

I have to skim the pages that devolve into dickwaving contests about being the most feminist/PC, but I can't say that's worse than believing that raping children should be legal and that killing everyone in Africa would be objectively good.

 

[Kz3r0]

They've been very fond of rape since the anime manchildren took over; the "don't be a dick" rule has led to the forums being overrun with rape apologists, genocide advocators, pedophiles and My Little Pony fans. Anyone who questions them is banned. For being a dick. See here for some snippets of the horror.

They're becoming a sort of bizzaro-GD, actually.

I can't resist pointing out that SA has a lot in common with TVT (e.g. banning anyone who disagrees), and their thread on TVT is frequently worse than TVT itself.

I have to skim the pages that devolve into dickwaving contests about being the most feminist/PC, but I can't say that's worse than believing that raping children should be legal and that killing everyone in Africa would be objectively good.

You are forgetting with whom you are talking.

 

[Andyman Messiah]

And we know that BioWare has made its fortune by catering to perverted minorities, so it's not really that far-fetched.

BioWare has had success in catering to fetishes, this is true, but there's a huge difference in catering to people that want to have sex with a blue woman or a crab monster and catering to people that want to rape them. I'm sorry, but no matter how much I loathe BioWare, it is simply absurd to suggest otherwise.

(But never fear, mods will fix it.)

 

[Admiral jimbob]

And we know that BioWare has made its fortune by catering to perverted minorities, so it's not really that far-fetched.

BioWare has had success in catering to fetishes, this is true, but there's a huge difference in catering to people that want to have sex with a blue woman or a crab monster and catering to people that want to rape them. I'm sorry, but no matter how much I loathe BioWare, it is simply absurd to suggest otherwise.

(But never fear, mods will fix it.)

Shock collar

 

[Andyman Messiah]

And we know that BioWare has made its fortune by catering to perverted minorities, so it's not really that far-fetched.

BioWare has had success in catering to fetishes, this is true, but there's a huge difference in catering to people that want to have sex with a blue woman or a crab monster and catering to people that want to rape them. I'm sorry, but no matter how much I loathe BioWare, it is simply absurd to suggest otherwise.

(But never fear, mods will fix it.)

Shock collar

Maybe I'm weird but I do think there's actually a difference or two between "broken rape victim" and "broken slave", but I see your point. Does it go anywhere explicit rapey-rape or is it just "yes, master, I love you master, let's watch anime together, master?" Still, torturing somebody into obedience and love was an old story even when Bio did it for the first time (?) in KOTOR. I don't like it, it's a shitty storyline, but nothing that really upsets me.

 

[hoopy]

You are forgetting with whom you are talking.

Uh uh. So where exactly have I expressed or implied any support for pedophilia? Or genocide in Africa?

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Maybe I'm weird but I do think there's actually a difference or two between "broken rape victim" and "broken slave"

Yes, the slave has to hang around for future rapings.

 

[Andyman Messiah]

Maybe I'm weird but I do think there's actually a difference or two between "broken rape victim" and "broken slave"

Yes, the slave has to hang around for future rapings.

Well, obviously. But in the video game, though?

 

[The Boring Incarnation]

Holy shit, Vega's played by Freddie Prinze Jr.

I shit you not (skip to about 10:30)

 

[CrustyBot]

Holy shit, Vega's played by Freddie Prinze Jr.

I shit you not (skip to about 10:30)

Also, just had to repost a response from the resulting BSN thread.

you are absolutely right. BEST MARKETING SO FAR for the ME 3 game.

he said it perfetly- ME characters are ACTIVE not REACTIVE.

They shape and define what our Mass effect story is and it's world.
They make the ME world real,palpable and touching.

Are we going to listen to them?Are we going to help them achieve their goals or are we going to despise them?
Are we going to make love with them or refuse them? what will the reaction be?
What did they do in all this Time?how did they change?......

 

[Kz3r0]

Also, just had to repost a response from the resulting BSN thread.

you are absolutely right. BEST MARKETING SO FAR for the ME 3 game.

he said it perfetly- ME characters are ACTIVE not REACTIVE.

They shape and define what our Mass effect story is and it's world.
They make the ME world real,palpable and touching.

Are we going to listen to them?Are we going to help them achieve their goals or are we going to despise them?
Are we going to make love with them or refuse them? what will the reaction be?
What did they do in all this Time?how did they change?......

Next step, in ME4 the player will be romanced by NPCs while the Majestic story happens all around, like an interactive movie, but better, because you don't even have to input commands.
It goes without saying that in the sex scenes the player character will gladly take in the butt without complaining, a true role playing experience.