Qwinn said:
I don't really remember anything overtly political in the first Fallout (maybe I'm wrong... I lost my disc a long while ago so I haven't played it in a while). It wasn't a necessary addition, nor did it improve the writing or storyline in any way.
Not necesarily political, but it definitely plays off of the naive insular America of the '50s. An America that it's often argued (probably by those leftwing moonbats you mentioned) Republicans would like to return to.
Qwinn said:
Here's a hint: There's nothing remotely funny in that dialogue. It relies entirely on the assumption that the person reading it thinks Republicans are inherently worthy of being mocked.
No it doesn't. Ever heard of the notion of "being able to laugh at yourself"? It's an absurd caricature of a real world political ideaology, not Fox news.
Qwinn said:
If there is indeed a contingent here that doesn't think Fallout 3 was the absolute worst piece of crap ever foisted on the human race, I'd say they've been successfully browbeaten into no longer daring to say it. I've only been here a month or two, and every single Fallout 3 is one long unending rant talking about how horrific it is. Just read the thread about Bethesda taking over some long lost IP... the hyperbole in that thread about how infinitely horrible Bethesda is on every single level is infinite and unending.
Very few if any think it great, some think it good, others not bad or decent, then there are those who see it as abominable. Almost all see it as a terrible Fallout game. Most of what you refer to is hyperbole. Those who think it decent but no better (as I do) won't bother defending the game agaisnt someone just exaggerating for the lulz. Discussion on Fallout 3 has pretty much run its course, only thing left to do is point and laugh at some of its more ridiculous aspects, if that's your thing, some around here seem to enjoy it.
Bethesda makes games most around here do not like to play, so of course they'd not be happy with them developing a sequel to another of their favourite games. Add to that hyperbole and the usual Codex lulz, and you have the thread you mentioned. Though, even there some posters make mention of games they'd be happy for Bethesda to cannibalise.
Qwinn said:
Maybe once upon a time there was honest argument around here on the subject, but from the perspective of someone who's just come around here lately... um, no. I haven't seen much of it. Nor have I ever heard anyone criticizing Fallout 2 on any grounds. Maybe those people exist, but they no longer seem to be bothering to voice their views. I'm deeply sorry that I haven't been reading this board since the games came out, but this is my perspective from having read a -lot- of threads over the last few weeks, and not seeing much difference.
Nope, happens all the time there is a discussion on Fallout 2, particularly when compared to the original. Just that it's been over 10 years since it was released, and most anything to say about it has already been said, so you won't see it cropping up every other day.
Qwinn said:
Besides, I'm hardly unique in the way I'm characterizing it. Plenty of other people -do- make note of the hivemind groupthink around here. Why am I getting beat up for agreeing with what so many others have pointed out?
I guess because you seem to take it so seriously and literally. Most others who use it do so with a bit of a wink.
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Qwinn said:
Wait, wait. I do remember reading -one- criticism of Fallout 2, specifically about New Reno, thinking it was unlikely to have organized crime arise in a Wasteland. I didn't think there was anything wrong with that, myself, so it didn't impress me much. You say other people have criticized the same things I have, but before this thread, I never saw it, even when I brought those issues up before.
Well setting inconsistencies like New Reno and San Francisco are common criticisms, as is the overdone humour, especially the many pop culture references (hey, Republican bashing may even come under this heading :D), the temple of trials, the tribal village, talking, furry Deathclaws, talking plants, the improbability of the porn industry, and as I said before the simple comic book evil of the Enclave (not to say the view is shared by all, but it is a common criticism)...
Just because not many seem to be particularly upset about your hot button issue (Republican bashing), does not mean the game is not criticised. Though, most as you do, consider it a good game, or even a great one.