Review Obsidian is not the Victim

[Silellak]

I haven't tried the feature yet, but I think you can disguise yourself with faction apparel and go undercover in PGs and other places.

It doesn't work when you get too close to named NPCs - they see through the disguise and attack.

Fighting so many named NPCs convinced me that I was playing the game wrong, and somehow fucking up the plot, which I found out was true as the game kept telling me I had failed quests when they died

There's really no way to play the game "wrong" - as with any faction-based RPG, you will likely miss/fail quests on your first playthrough because you choose to side with particular factions. I'm pretty sure there's no way to play all sides in NV, but I could be wrong.

 

[Jack]

I haven't tried the feature yet, but I think you can disguise yourself with faction apparel and go undercover in PGs and other places.

It doesn't work when you get too close to named NPCs - they see through the disguise and attack.

Really?
I thought that only dogs could detect you...

Anyway, the "quest failed" popup is a remaining part of Fallbutt 3 and shouldn't really be paid any attention to in New Vegas.

 

[Ogg]

how's your lp yuri?

The game's too hard for me. I don't understand how it works. Must be too hardcore. I'm just trying too hard to look elitist while I'm just a typical newfag.

Ow, right, that's ok then.

 

[Jaesun]

http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=2011

Fallout 3 Thoughts.

BONUS POINTS: Double Standards.

 

[Tails]

Obsidian is the only oldskool developer left, live with it haters

 

[Jack]

That's why they are so venerated here, even if they haven't delivered anything great yet.
Compared to nothing they are quite nice, compared to Bethesda they are a gift sent from heavans.
But honestly they aren't that good.

 

[Shannow]

Funny, I haven't found anything wrong with the game so far that wasn't present in Fallout 3.

This. I think these people are insane.

+1

I've had only 1 CTD so far, minor sound problems (due to a 5.1 sound system, this problem was already present in Fallout 3 and was never officially fixed) and sometimes AI problems (again known from Fallout 3). Nothing extraordinarily buggy or broken so far, and it's by no means worse than Fallout 3.

Haters gonna hate

I'm still trying to wrap my head around this concept:
1. This is a known bug in dev A's game/engine.
2. Dev B knowing this bug didn't do anything about it.
3. Clearly dev B is in no way responsible for this bug in their game since it was already present in A's previous game/engine.

 

[spectre]

^It's a much easier wrap if you merely treat developer B as a glorified modder.

 

[Elzair]

Honestly, bugginess is par for the course for Black Isle / Obsidian. I nearly forgave Fallout 3 after my last playthrough of Fallout 2 ended at the Oil Rig because THE FUCKING BLAST DOORS HAD GONE UP AND THERE WAS NO WAY TO LOWER THEM!!!!!

EDIT: To add insult to injury, when I tried to find a patch, I learned that the only patches released were not compatible with my saves. Jerks.

 

[Ogg]

1. This is a known bug in dev A's game/engine.
2. Dev B knowing this bug didn't do anything about it.
3. Clearly dev B is in no way responsible for this bug in their game since it was already present in A's previous game/engine.

Let's try a new formulation:
1. Gamebryo engine is a buggy, unstable and badly optimized piece of software
2. Bethesda and other devs made several games on this engine and none really managed to fix or circumvent the aforementioned issues
3. Obsidian did a follow up of one of Bethesda's game and didn't do better than anyone in terms of game stability, graphical prowess and such
4. Shitstorm on Obsidian, WROST GAEM DEV EVER!!111

 

[FeelTheRads]

Well, it is true that Betharda should have fixed it long ago, I'm not sure why the blame should fall only on Obsidian.

 

[Volourn]

"Obsidian is the only oldskool developer left, live with it haters"

No.

Unless you mean old skool = doing sequels to others' games, copying others game play and stories, ripping off ideas, poor writing, overrated C&C, etc., etc., etc.

There's NOTHING old skool about AP or FO3.5.

 

[Lyric Suite]

poor writing, overrated C&C

MoTB had the best writing on any modern RPG, hands down. Right from the start you know your in for something special when you start to banter with the merchant outside of Mulsantir and you realize the dialog is pretty fucking good.

Ho wait, its Volourn, the village retard, what the fuck am i saying.

 

[Brotherman Bill]

Shamus is a butthurt retard who consistently praises shit games like WoW and FO3 while criticizing games with a glimmer of goodness in them for the things he should've bashed the the other games for in the first place.

Pretty much what every game journalist does really.

Yeah. The reason why I was more pissed off at Shamus is that he actually says sensible things once in a while... Of course, he usually praises shitty games like DA and stuff, but I attributed it to him having an extraordinarily positive outlook on things and not bad taste. But now that it's revealed that he bashes the few actually good games, while praising all shit games, I've had to change my theory and conclude that he's simply a retard. That's why I rage harder at him than at others.

 

[Volourn]

MoTB had the best writing on any modern RPG, hands down. Right from the start you know your in for something special when you start to banter with the merchant outside of Mulsantir and you realize the dialog is pretty fucking good.

Ho wait, its Volourn, the village retard, what the fuck am i saying."

Hey, speaking of retards, look whose posting?

You dor ealzie that I like MOTB a lot, right? Right. DUMBASS.

MOTB has great C&C but it is the exception to the rule and is just an exapnsion unlike the very shitty AP.

Also, C&C is not 'old skool'. C&C is actually a new age gaming philosphy. real old skoolm RPgs don't give a fuckin' shit about C&C. You just proved my pint that Obsidian isn't really old skool. FFS

 

[Volrath]

Volourn can not into reading comprehension.

 

[denizsi]

Hilarious bug:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKIkw3LIoQ

I haven't tried the feature yet, but I think you can disguise yourself with faction apparel and go undercover in PGs and other places.

If this is true, that would be a massive incline in RP gaming. Not that it would be anything new but how long has it been since the last time an RPG or two had this feature? Even action/adventure games have flirted with such features while RPGs became the game genres' poster boy for the retarded.

And that's why it can not be true, not in a Bethesduh game.

edit: I just remembered now the dull Dark Brotherhood quest in Oblivion where you could do this but it was a very consoltardly one-time demonstration.

 

[Lyric Suite]

You dor ealzie that I like MOTB a lot, right? Right. DUMBASS.

Irrelevant.

MOTB has great C&C but it is the exception to the rule and is just an exapnsion unlike the very shitty AP.

Irrelevant.

Also, C&C is not 'old skool'. C&C is actually a new age gaming philosphy. real old skoolm RPgs don't give a fuckin' shit about C&C.

Irrelevant.

You just proved my pint that Obsidian isn't really old skool. FFS

Just plain fucking irrelevant.

Volourn's entire posting history in a nutshell.

 

[Konjad]

Well, if you put clothes of a faction on you they will think that you're one of them. At least most of them - except guards.

 

[denizsi]

Also, C&C is not 'old skool'. C&C is actually a new age gaming philosphy. real old skoolm RPgs don't give a fuckin' shit about C&C.

Irrelevant.

And also plain wrong. I don't know what his definition of an old school RPG is but many "old" RPGs did punch some C&C a lot less cosmetic than the shit we get today.

Well, if you put clothes of a faction on you they will think that you're one of them. At least most of them - except guards.

Nice. What happens when they don't think you're one of them at all. Everyone attacks on sight?

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Gais, gais, I think we are forgetting something very important here:

Someone spoke of us somewhere. Are we going to let them think you can mention the Codex without the Codex being summoned?

 

[Ogg]

Gais, gais, I think we are forgetting something very important here:

Someone spoke of us somewhere. Are we going to let them think you can mention the Codex without the Codex being summoned?

Roll-a-die and I are doing our best.

 

[commie]

Unless you mean old skool = doing sequels to others' games, copying others game play and stories, ripping off ideas, poor writing, overrated C&C, etc., etc., etc.

MOTB has great C&C

Volly cannot into coherent argumentation.

 

[Volourn]

You obviously can't read. Read it again. Then again. then come back when you are thinking clearly.

I stated old skool C7C is overrated which MOTB is not therefore it is not old skool. You guys make this way too easy.

But, hey, go play those GB games, and M&Ms, and other so called old skool games and come brag about their totally awesome C&C.

And, no, don't mention Ultima series which is the exception that proves the rule.

 

[Tails]

"Obsidian is the only oldskool developer left, live with it haters"

No.

Unless you mean old skool = doing sequels to others' games, copying others game play and stories, ripping off ideas, poor writing, overrated C&C, etc., etc., etc.

There's NOTHING old skool about AP or FO3.5.

I wasn't serious Volly and I agree with your last sentence.

 

[Marsal]

Well, if you put clothes of a faction on you they will think that you're one of them. At least most of them - except guards.

Nice. What happens when they don't think you're one of them at all. Everyone attacks on sight?

Faction members (not all people belong to a faction, i.e. raiders attack on sight) behave as per your standing with their faction. There are several degrees of "bad" reputation (3?). I'm not 100% sure, but I think that only on the worst one (vilified?) they attack on sight, else they warn you not to go in their camp.

The clothes work great for ambushing/avoiding patrols or infiltrating camps and killing harder targets in their sleep (combined with "sandman" perk). I'm not sure "named" NPCs see through the disguise by default (or dogs and guards for that matter). You are warned guards can spot you, when first equiping a faction armor, though.

*CONTAINS VERY MILD SPOILERS*
I managed to first talk and then kill a Legion Centurion and half of the camp without alerting anyone, while being vilified by the Legion. Dogs, scouts and guards were "clickable" and spoke their default lines (the dogs ignored me).

In another instance, Powder Ganger guards opened fire when they saw me, while others behaved as I was one of them.
*END MILD SPOILERS*

Mine/grenade planting works great too. "Friends" of the victim go hostile for only about 30 seconds. If no one sees you, you're good to go.

Often times I forget I was on a "covert" operation while fast traveling. It can lead to some... unpleasant situations