Roger - as you are sure to be inundated with comments for this post, I will simply say: You just don't get it.
Dwarf Fortress isn't art?ScottishMartialArts said:Meh, I agree with him.
Korgan said:Dwarf Fortress isn't art?ScottishMartialArts said:Meh, I agree with him.
-=DarlSephiroth666=- said:If video games are art, then sitcoms have to be art as well.
Jaime Lannister said:
this is you, korgan
POOPOO MCBUMFACE said:Jesus what the fuck is the big deal over this whole fucking navel-gazing wankery IS IT ART circlejerk
Art is connected to aesthetics, it has to evoke some kind of emotions, be it rapture or disgust. That's why dull things can't be art.Clockwork Knight said:-=DarlSephiroth666=- said:If video games are art, then sitcoms have to be art as well.
They are, since it's acting
people have this notion that "art" means "good art", just like "rpg" means "good rpg"
ScottishMartialArts said:Meh, I agree with him.
Mass Effect basically lets you star in an exceptionally well-written science fiction TV series. Assassin's Creed puts you in the Holy Land during the crusades, where Muslims are allowed to be interesting characters with their own complex opinions.
One of my all-time favorite games is called Mass Effect. It's a sci-fi-themed game set a couple hundred years from now, in which humanity has branched out throughout the galaxy and is currently interacting with various types of friendly aliens. One of the things that makes the story so unique is that the player has complete control over everything the main character says and does, meaning that aspects of the plot can be shaped as the player sees fit. It's an interactive story, in other words, which only a video game could pull off.[...]Mass Effect has an intelligent script, an imaginative setting and some fantastic twists in its final act.
Baldurs Gate 1&2, Fallout 1&2, Star wars knights of the old republic, Final Fantasy 6,7,8, mass effect. These games are all art that are comparable with any of the great works of any poet, composer, artist etc. Beautifully made, with great stories, powerful and emotional
The same could be said for Mass Effect or Dragon Age, games that have touched me deeply, with characters I feel for and strive to know better. I have to understand their plight and their lives
Games like Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age by BioWare both take on hard questions, deal with fascinating choices and grapple with questions that cause you to think.
A games like Mass Effect 2 should be considered art just as much as any movie, and to not put them on the same level is puzzling.
In the past, this "control" was more limited -- you can only make Mario go in one direction! -- but nowadays, with games like Infamous and Mass Effect, the outcome of the game is affected deeply by the various, numerous choices you make when it comes to playing your character.
Korgan said:Dwarf Fortress isn't art?ScottishMartialArts said:Meh, I agree with him.
Jesus what the fuck is the big deal over this whole fucking navel-gazing wankery IS IT ART circlejerk
Oh man this game has a really great art direction BUT IS IT ART????
Oh man this game is really absorbing and immersive BUT IS IT ART???????
Oh man this game has a great narrative flow and thematic depth BUT IS IT ART????? I NEED TO KNOW THIS I CAN'T ALLOW MYSELF TO ENJOY IT UNLESS IT FITS SOME ARBITRARY DEFINITION OF AN ABSTRACT WANKY CONCEPT
Fuck Yeah!!! Even a non-gamer like Roger Ebert can agree that Heavy Rain shouldn't be called a game.Roger Ebert said:Santiago might cite a immersive game without points or rules, but I would say then it ceases to be a game and becomes a representation of a story, a novel, a play, dance, a film. Those are things you cannot win; you can only experience them.
herostratus said:ScottishMartialArts said:Meh, I agree with him.
I mean, really, how couldn't you? Just read what the defenders of the "games as art" make themselves say:
Mass Effect basically lets you star in an exceptionally well-written science fiction TV series. Assassin's Creed puts you in the Holy Land during the crusades, where Muslims are allowed to be interesting characters with their own complex opinions.One of my all-time favorite games is called Mass Effect. It's a sci-fi-themed game set a couple hundred years from now, in which humanity has branched out throughout the galaxy and is currently interacting with various types of friendly aliens. One of the things that makes the story so unique is that the player has complete control over everything the main character says and does, meaning that aspects of the plot can be shaped as the player sees fit. It's an interactive story, in other words, which only a video game could pull off.[...]Mass Effect has an intelligent script, an imaginative setting and some fantastic twists in its final act.Baldurs Gate 1&2, Fallout 1&2, Star wars knights of the old republic, Final Fantasy 6,7,8, mass effect. These games are all art that are comparable with any of the great works of any poet, composer, artist etc. Beautifully made, with great stories, powerful and emotionalThe same could be said for Mass Effect or Dragon Age, games that have touched me deeply, with characters I feel for and strive to know better. I have to understand their plight and their livesGames like Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age by BioWare both take on hard questions, deal with fascinating choices and grapple with questions that cause you to think.A games like Mass Effect 2 should be considered art just as much as any movie, and to not put them on the same level is puzzling.In the past, this "control" was more limited -- you can only make Mario go in one direction! -- but nowadays, with games like Infamous and Mass Effect, the outcome of the game is affected deeply by the various, numerous choices you make when it comes to playing your character.
....And so on and so on. This is what the absolute majority of video gamers actually believe. Obviously nothing made for the likes of these can be art.
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Clockwork Knight said:spend they're time
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