Steam Deals - Good or Bad?

[baronjohn]

THEFT implies that I deprived someone of something. This isn't true when I fetch a game from the Interbuts because digital data can be replicated forever without any degradation and at essentially zero cost.

The only people who think "piracy" is "theft" are dinosaur lawyers and executives and their useful idiots, like you.

Someone's going to butt in now and say that if I couldn't pirate games I would buy them, so let me make a note that I would rather cut off my balls than pay anything for 99% of the shit I download.

 

[J_C]

THEFT implies that I deprived someone of something. This isn't true when I fetch a game from the Interbuts because digital data can be replicated forever without any degradation and at essentially zero cost.

The only people who think "piracy" is "theft" are dinosaur lawyers and executives and their useful idiots, like you.

Someone's going to butt in now and say that if I couldn't pirate games I would buy them, so let me make a note that I would rather cut off my balls than pay anything for 99% of the shit I download.

Roofles! It seems you are the dinasour here, because it seems you still live in the 1950s. Material goods are not the only thing that cost money. Information and digital data is sold and bought on the market all the time.

 

[Country_Gravy]

When was the last time anyone got virus/trojan infections through a torrent? You have to be fairly stupid to... oh, right.

And I don't even have anything against Steam in particular--I've bought a few games through them to support developers--but the "oh noes, torrenting is teh hard" bullshit flying around is irritating and says more about you than about pirates. Also, Rogue and Country_Gravy? There's a good chance I make more money than you. r00fles! Go back to lurking, non-entities.

Listen, newfag. You don't know shit about how much cash I have and there is a good chance I have a much bigger cock than you do. Pirating games is stealing. if you do have tons of cash, why would you steal games? To prove a point? Only if your point is that you are a total dick. I never said that torrenting was hard. I can spoof my ip address if I don't want the people selling the games to find out where I am and I have never had a virus from stuff that I downloaded. I said that I have pirated a game and I feel shitty about it and don't plan on doing it again. If the money doesn't go to the developer it goes to the person who owns the ip rights for the game which is good enough for me.

If you buy a Ford, Henry Ford doesn't see a cent....steal cars from the car lot!!!!

Start lurking, newfag. No one wants to hear your bullshit.

 

[baronjohn]

I'm not denying the existence of a market. I'm just saying you're a retard for participating in it

 

[J_C]

I'm not denying the existence of a market. I'm just saying you're a retard for participating in it

If I'm a retard for playing by the rules of the economy and society, then I admit, I'm a retard.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

You cheap 2$ steam whores keep on destroying the abandonware/software history pool. And guess who earnes your money? People who created the old software? Guess again. Keep on filling the war chest for legal actions, they may have missed a spot on the net where old software was appreciated and shared in the past. For free.. ohh noooes, the horror! But I suppose you would be ok letting them license games like movies and music, for about 200+ years from now on? Whatever man created.. it shall never be consumed for free? Yea.
That stupid western net starts to suck. I'll try to look more in the direction of Russia and Asian territories, they seem to resist the copyright brainwashing far better.

 

[el Supremo]

If I'm a retard for playing by the rules of the economy and society, then I admit, I'm a retard.

Would you steal from the Devil?

 

[Jaesun]

How do you steal from someone who doesn't exist?

 

[Rogue]

When was the last time anyone got virus/trojan infections through a torrent? You have to be fairly stupid to... oh, right.

And I don't even have anything against Steam in particular--I've bought a few games through them to support developers--but the "oh noes, torrenting is teh hard" bullshit flying around is irritating and says more about you than about pirates. Also, Rogue and Country_Gravy? There's a good chance I make more money than you. r00fles! Go back to lurking, non-entities.

Let me just ignore your trolling and try to explain my point in simpler terms:
- torrenting stuff usually takes longer and the whole process (from deciding that you want the game to the point where you start playing) is more tedious
- although you do not get infected because you are running antivirus, you still have to find a new crack / keygen / whatever that is not infected
- all that takes time. If the game is only $5 then it's actually cheaper for me to just buy it instead of wasting 30 minutes on getting it illegally. Time is money etc.


Here's a good example. Steam had a sale in December where it was offering NWN2 + add ons. I wouldn't bother torrenting the game and the expansions, then installing all of them and using the autopatcher even if you paid me. I only installed NWN2 once and all the patching crap took several hours.

 

[20 Eyes]

If Steam ever goes under, I'm going full pirate on all the games I bought from them.

 

[Lesifoere]

When was the last time anyone got virus/trojan infections through a torrent? You have to be fairly stupid to... oh, right.

And I don't even have anything against Steam in particular--I've bought a few games through them to support developers--but the "oh noes, torrenting is teh hard" bullshit flying around is irritating and says more about you than about pirates. Also, Rogue and Country_Gravy? There's a good chance I make more money than you. r00fles! Go back to lurking, non-entities.

Listen, newfag. You don't know shit about how much cash I have and there is a good chance I have a much bigger cock than you do. Pirating games is stealing. if you do have tons of cash, why would you steal games? To prove a point? Only if your point is that you are a total dick. I never said that torrenting was hard. I can spoof my ip address if I don't want the people selling the games to find out where I am and I have never had a virus from stuff that I downloaded. I said that I have pirated a game and I feel shitty about it and don't plan on doing it again. If the money doesn't go to the developer it goes to the person who owns the ip rights for the game which is good enough for me.

If you buy a Ford, Henry Ford doesn't see a cent....steal cars from the car lot!!!!

Start lurking, newfag. No one wants to hear your bullshit.

Awwww someone's widdle butt is stinging. You go on feeling shitty about piracy, but don't expect anyone to give a fuck, non-entity.

 

[A user named cat]

The best thing about owning physical copies of games = reading the instruction manual while going to the bathroom.

 

[Lesifoere]

Let me just ignore your trolling and try to explain my point in simpler terms:
- torrenting stuff usually takes longer and the whole process (from deciding that you want the game to the point where you start playing) is more tedious
- although you do not get infected because you are running antivirus, you still have to find a new crack / keygen / whatever that is not infected
- all that takes time. If the game is only $5 then it's actually cheaper for me to just buy it instead of wasting 30 minutes on getting it illegally. Time is money etc.

And if a game is $50, what then? Not that I balk at paying at much for games that deserve it--I pre-ordered TW2 on GoG like any good patriot of Codexia ought to--but most games don't deserve that much, or even half that much (if they're fit to be consumed at all). With regards to your second point, stop being stupid and use better trackers. Just because you're incompetent and apparently need 30 minutes just to decide on a game (hurrr?) and find a usable crack doesn't mean everyone else operates on the same level you do.

EDIT: oh yeah, if there's a developer I honestly want to support? I buy their games at release, for the full price, not wait for Steam deals. I therefore conclude that you and Gravy must be broke fucks working for minimum wage.

 

[DragoFireheart]

The best thing about owning physical copies of games = reading the instruction manual while going to the bathroom.

 

[Norfleet]

One day you will be an adult and have a real credit card. lol

Pssh. In my day, we didn't have credit cards. We buried our gold in the yard like pirates, and we LIKED IT! Credit cards are one of those...what do you kids say now? "Newfag" inventions? I stay the hell away from that crap. I want to buy something, I buy it out of a STORE like a NORMAL person, with REGULAR CASH: Small, unmarked bills.

 

[J_C]

reading the instruction manual while going to the bathroom.

All three pages of them? Because manuals nowadays are shit.

 

[DraQ]

reading the instruction manual while going to the bathroom.

All three pages of them? Because manuals nowadays are shit.

So are games.

 

[baronjohn]

I'm not denying the existence of a market. I'm just saying you're a retard for participating in it

If I'm a retard for playing by the rules of the economy and society, then I admit, I'm a retard.

It's good that you admit it.

 

[J_C]

I'm not denying the existence of a market. I'm just saying you're a retard for participating in it

If I'm a retard for playing by the rules of the economy and society, then I admit, I'm a retard.

It's good that you admit it.

Don't worry, when you grow up you will understand how the world works. Until then, enjoy your non-retardness.

 

[Carlos' Bitch1]

I refuse to buy any software with an online DRM component. Unfortunately, too many have accepted it, to the point where people can be stopped from playing their bought game on a whim of the publisher.

On top of this, I have seen so many companies topple over that I would never trust this type of system. I can name...two? companies that are still alive today, that were around when I started gaming. One is SSG, an old Australian wargaming company. The other is, naturally, the Evil Empire (EA).

I know, I know...it is only money. No. It is also principal. The whole verification system is a slap in the face to a paying customer. Guilty until proven innocent from Big Papa at the end of your internet connection. This is made even worse by the ever more draconian aspects that are added on to the system, the lack of flexibility, and especially with piratable copies just waiting there...sitting there, calling to you. So easy to to download and install. What sort of incentive to buy is this?

Gaming used to be all about incentives. No internet meant that a turd is, indeed, forever. No box packed with decent material and manual was a bad sign. The developer allowed you to make backup copies, just in case. Now? Well, you must have pirated it unless you can prove it by allowing the server to check your copy (after you bought the thing from the shop), then enter the special key, sign in to the (insert wank site) social club where you can show your stats!! and don't say anything bad about a company, call somebody a fag, etc etc or your rental license will be revoked!

Ah, thats better.

 

[Jim Cojones]

On top of this, I have seen so many companies topple over that I would never trust this type of system. I can name...two? companies that are still alive today, that were around when I started gaming. One is SSG, an old Australian wargaming company. The other is, naturally, the Evil Empire (EA).

Activision too, it's about as old as Electronic Arts IIRC.

 

[Carlos' Bitch1]

On top of this, I have seen so many companies topple over that I would never trust this type of system. I can name...two? companies that are still alive today, that were around when I started gaming. One is SSG, an old Australian wargaming company. The other is, naturally, the Evil Empire (EA).

Activision too, it's about as old as Electronic Arts IIRC.

Yes. Forgot all about Activision. Probably another one or two floating about somewhere.

 

[Hobo Elf]

Steam sales, or sales in general, are pretty much the only time I'll buy a game. I'd be hard pressed to buy a game at full price anymore. Very rarely a game is worth more than 20 euros.

 

[Satan]

How do you steal from someone who doesn't exist?

What's that?

Oh, and on the matter of the subject, I approve wholeheartedly of steam and everything about it.

 

[Rogue]

I therefore conclude that you and Gravy must be broke fucks working for minimum wage.

Based on the shit that is spewed in all directions as soon as you open your mouth or start banging on the keyboard I'd say you make at least $500.000 a year.

Of course it is obvious that you completely missed my point once again. I tried simplify it, but it seems you're just too stupid to see what I'm getting at.