Fuck_The_Banks said:Elwro said:He's not complaining about that, but about the victory conditions of the scenario.Fuck_The_Banks said:Why are you suprised that Poland can't conquer Russia?
Point taken, but
a) The Poles could inlict a military defeat
b)However they could not defeat Russia. Even if every Pole killed 10 Russians, they would run out of people
c)The point of Poland, at least to the Entente Powers, was to be a friendly Bulwark vs Russia and Germany. To the Poles it was obviously their homes / families etc.
d)The Entente would not allow a new Germany to take the place of the old one
e)Without the support of these powers, Poland could not exist? Where was it before? What happened in 1939?
f)If you accept the above, Polish victory in the war would require the subjugation of Russia. The Reds wouldn't want you, the Whites wouldn't want you, the European Great Powers would not want a new Germany. They would all fight you (plus the Reds) to restore the balance of power.
g) The end result would have been a devastated, subjected Poland, at themercy of anotherforeign power. Not waht the nationalists want.
But have a nice game.
This is so wrong on so many levels I dont know where to begin...
1. First of all for Poland victory meant remaining independent while controlling as much as possible from former Polish lands. Thats all, no occupation of Russia or whatever. Not even fully regaining Polish former lands.
2. Entente support for Poland was small at best. Military mission yes (but not overpowered general W... his stats are ridiculous in this game, shows its French made), some supplies and mainly Hallers army coming back after fighting for Entente, also some diplomatic support against Germany. But Entente was opposed to Polish war with Russia as it expected Whites to win. For Entente White Russian Ally>>>Poland. This is why Entente propsoed Curzons line as Polish eastern border... By the way as long as all partitioners lost the war as they did Poland would reappear on worlds map at least for some time.
3. Poland could help defeat Red Russia if it cooperated with Denikin and marched on Petersburg. But it didnt want to as for Poland Whites were worse than Reds.
4. For France (UK didnt care about Poland at all) Poland was a substitute ally instead of Tsarist Russia. Nothing more, nothing less, somethign similar to Czechoslovakia.
Finally I dont see why you are so obsessed with Poland, my points were purely from technical side of things, I already accepted lack of realism in OOB and history for this game.