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Which is The Best Faction for The Mojave & New Vegas?

Best Faction for New Vegas?

  • Caesars Legion

  • New California Republic

  • House

  • Wild Card (Independent)


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Nano

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I'm surprised, I expected more of you to choose NCR, it seems to be the most popular choice among New Vegas fans, for whichever odd reason.
Wild Card is the most popular according to Steam.

It's also the best ending. The people of New Vegas can rule over themselves, they don't need anyone else to do that for them. (and it always makes me lol when I see people thinking anarchy can somehow transform into tyranny.)
 

Drakron

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Wild Card is the people choosing, the problems with the NCR is they already got all the old world vices back and they got into the Mojave by courting House that himself was using the NCR as a buffer against the Legion.

House is entirely self-centered, its not what is best for the people of the Mojave but what its best for his "vision". The Legion is ... well Caesar plan was using the Legion to destroy the NCR and then the Legion would implode and that was more "I dont like the NCR" that anything else, he had no plan for the future outside "whatever comes after will be better" that is ignoring the NCR foundation was from the anarchy and thinking what would be born was not another NCR/Old World is being incredible naive also it might be New Vegas rushing the Legion but they only superficial related to the Roman Empire, Caesar did nothing but loosely created the Roman military and not the Roman civilization.

Wild Card is No Gods or Masters, that the Mojave is free to choose and it might choose the NCR or be independent but that is the choice of the people and not something dictated by House, the NCR or Caesar.
 
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I'm surprised, I expected more of you to choose NCR, it seems to be the most popular choice among New Vegas fans, for whichever odd reason.
Wild Card is the most popular according to Steam.

It's also the best ending. The people of New Vegas can rule over themselves, they don't need anyone else to do that for them. (and it always makes me lol when I see people thinking anarchy can somehow transform into tyranny.)

Yeah, ruling themselves works wonders for places like Somalia. It's great.
 

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The second I ran into the Legion crucifying and decapitating degenerates I decided that they were the best qualified to lead the Mojave to prosperity.
 

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Yeah, ruling themselves works wonders for places like Somalia. It's great.
Somalia is not anarchist. It's ruled by warlords, and it also suffers from various interferences from the U.S. and other governments (including the Somali government, which actually still exists).

Wild Card eliminates the elements that want to take control over New Vegas. No factions who kill or have any leverage over their opponents, and minimal interfering elements.
 

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Yeah, ruling themselves works wonders for places like Somalia. It's great.
Somalia is not anarchist. It's ruled by warlords, and it also suffers from various interferences from the U.S. and other governments (including the Somali government, which actually still exists).

Wild Card eliminates the elements that want to take control over New Vegas. No factions who kill or have any leverage over their opponents, and minimal interfering elements.

Yes apparently when you once kill factions, they never arise again in newer forms.

You know the ending isn't meant to be "THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT HAPPENS.. FOREVER", right? You have to take the ending and look at the future issues that'll arise cause of it.
 

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Yes apparently when you once kill factions, they never arise again in newer forms.

You know the ending isn't meant to be "THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT HAPPENS.. FOREVER", right? You have to take the ending and look at the future issues that'll arise cause of it.

There is some truth in this. Preventing hierarchies from forming again will be an effort that never stops. You have to be hopeful that the people will be on a lookout for these things and stop them before they gain any serious traction.
 

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It's kind of disappointing that the Legion are shown to be so stereotypically villainous and evil. Slavery and butchery and wahmen oppression and whatnot. Outside of that I really like their concept, tribesman who rely on basic survival skills and unarmed combat learned from their nomadic lifestyle, unified under an educated leader who is as fierce as he is educated, alot like a classic Roman senator.

As it stands, it's obviously House. He's the only faction that really has the survival of mankind in the long term as a priority and the potential to see it through.
 

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Yes apparently when you once kill factions, they never arise again in newer forms.

You know the ending isn't meant to be "THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT HAPPENS.. FOREVER", right? You have to take the ending and look at the future issues that'll arise cause of it.

There is some truth in this. Preventing hierarchies from forming again will be an effort that never stops. You have to be hopeful that the people will be on a lookout for these things and stop them before they gain any serious traction.

Yeah but we're talking about people who form gangs to kill what little population exists, with some twerps running around in skirts.

The way I see it, Mojave NEEDS someone like House, who has a set plan that doesn't involve putting people up on crosses and burning down whole towns for dumb reasons.
 

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House because he is the man with a plan for humanity and despite being an autocratic dictator he has 0 interest in dictating how people should live their lives and understands the importance of bread and circus to keep people happy. What you do in the privacy of your home is your own business for him and that eliminates any misgivings i had about him. Benny would not have been able to set up his coup if he was some controlling monster who wants to install an orwellian style society. Heck one of the reasons he needs you to get into the casinos is because he isnt allowed there, and he respects that agreement.

His dreams of galactic expansion also got me starry eyed and i sincerely believe its something our species needs to strive towards lest we die out miserably still stuck on this planet. House guarantees the future of the species in a way no other faction does.

Finally he is open to recruiting agents who can understand people better and keep a connection with humanity even if he himself is locked in a metal box so i dont fear he will go crazy with age or mad with power.

Dont trust ncr for reasons others have given, the legion seems destined to collapse once Caesar died and wild card ending can result in anything once your courrier died, though my gut instinct tells me there would be a devastating power struggle, for example... who controls the securitrons that enforce the peace? I seem to recall there being implications yes man is actually conning you for his own ends, meaning all you’ve achieved is setting up the big bad for another hypothetical game as new vegas robots decide to wipe out humanity or something. And if someone does control the securitrons ,whether they are handed control by the courier or figure it out by themselves, then they become the defacto leader of new vegas, none of this people ruling themselves bs, the guy controlling the robots will be the true power.
And no you cant just deactivate the securitrons since they are whats keeping the big foreign powers away, the ncr or whatever other big power would come back with a vengeance.

Either way even without the securitrons angle, all the hard work you put into building your ideal society will likely be undone after the couriers death because people are idiots like that, wouldnt surprise me if someone gathered up enough influence and popularity then invited the ncr to take over or something all for short term gain or personal profit like the mayor of nipton did.
 
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You guys are waaaaaaay impressed by pretty-sounding dreams and eloquent dialog~

Especially since House does shit all after the bombs dropped because "he lost the key" and the ending credits shows him ... doing anything at all, he just looks at the Mojave in general and New Vegas in particular as *his* with all his grandiose plans and ideas being exactly that, plans and ideas without much of a execution of said plans and ideas.

And the fact he is not immortal and likely will croak soon enough or certainly well before any of his plans come close to a execution.

House is similar to the NCR and this says all, the NCR is just how human society tends to follow the same pattern and thus walks the same path as pre-War down to its shortcomings and vices but House is the Old World, people that think House is right is people that believe in Objectivism and all the Randianism nonsense.
 

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Caesar's Legion because I want to see the world burn. *tips Legatus helmet*
It was cool to play Fallout 2 and have some more background to the NCR, especifically its corruption and the brahmin barons that are often mentioned in New Vegas. Not to mention how they tried to intimidate Vault City into becoming part of the NCR.
 
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All that's gonna happen when the Legion takes the Dam is that they will inevitably break up into separate tribes again as the charismatic leader uniting them falls.

We need more groups trying to live off the land rather than relying on tech that will inevitably become ever more scarce in the future. Pretty sure the Fallout universe has already mentioned before that major resource shortages were one of the main causes of the great war.

Advanced civilization can not return to earth again, not nearly on the scale that it was and not on any sustainable level, barring the pooling of as many resources as possible to get off planet as House mentions.

Basically either humanity quickly advances and gets off planet or runs out of industrial resources and needs a good ten million years to replenish naturally.
 
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All of the factions except the NCR live and die with their leader. Even House, eventually. Keep in mind House was planning to make Benny his protege before being betrayed. His dialogue reveals his hubris and some sentimental misconceptions about the player which open him up to yet another betrayal. House is basically Peter Molyneux on steroids, unable to concentrate on what's directly in front of him and throwing out all these grand ideas without the ability to implement them. If his head were any higher in the clouds, he wouldn't need that space program. House just points in a direction and expects you to figure it out.

On the other hand, Caesar made some valid points against the NCR. Putting them in charge seems like trading the future of humanity for a short term increase in the standard of living before history repeats itself and the bombs drop. Then again maybe there is no future for humanity and giving a few generations a good life is the best we can hope for.

Is it too late to cure the super mutant sterility and enact the master's plan?
 
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FO4 seems even more of an insult to a person's intelligence right about now, doesn't it? I mean, it has always been dogshit, but when you're knee-deep in an argument concerning FNV world-building and faction you suddenly go: wow, Bethesda is really fucking dumb, like waaaaay dumber than I already thought.
 

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FO4 seems even more of an insult to a person's intelligence right about now, doesn't it? I mean, it has always been dogshit, but when you're knee-deep in an argument concerning FNV world-building and faction you suddenly go: wow, Bethesda is really fucking dumb, like waaaaay dumber than I already thought.

It just speaks volumes of Toddler preference for children stories that, dont get me wrong, are fine and all but not in the same basic structure with clear cut sides with no nuances that makes then boring and preditable, even fucking Naruto beats the crap out of Toddler typical narrative as for Emil "I worked in Thief II" Pagliarulo he is no better, anyone with a brain or rather anyone over 3 years old would realize that using a story concept that was discarded was a bad idea because it was discarded for a reason.

The only thing that FO4 did was writing the Brotherhood of Steel back at how it was and that was ... rejecting everything they had done with the Brotherhood of Steel in FO3 or at least that branch, its not even that FO3 did it wrong because even if it wasnt what it was in FO1-2 at least it was SOMETHING instead of reheating FO2 overall plot as a side dish. Doing so was admitting that any change from the FO1-2 formula was wrong and everything must be static as Toddler insists the timeline must advance (or at least he did in FO4).

New Vegas puts concepts against each other, the Legion is the weakest because its simply turned into military force without anything driving it behind it ... its like wanting a Hurricane to win because its simply a force of destruction without much of anything else, it doesnt even put its own concepts against others because it doesnt argue for or against slavery, there are slaves and "slaves are bad" without putting up a case of how slavery worked or even serfdom, in part I guess this was because a lot of New Vegas was recycled from Van Buren but the Legion had little attention so most arguments end up being about House-NCR-Free because those are concepts that are explored, people might not feel like destroying the BoS because if you follow Veronica story line you get sympathy for then and I mean the ones in the Bunker knowing full well that the Elders have became just dogmatic idiots clinging to a past doctrine that no longer makes sense and they are going down the path of self-destruction.

Fallout 4 does nothing of this sort, it makes decisions rather easy to take because they are binary, Toddler doesnt seem to like hard choices as in picking a side meaning you have to do unpleasant things to NPCs/Factions you might like for the greater good, you might like the core ideals of the NCR but at the same time its also easy to see the corruption in the NCR and how despite the NCR being perhaps the best thing to crawl out of the irradiated ruins of the Great War its also have a lot of bad things to it that makes people pick another option, Fallout 4 just really gives you two choices and it tries its damnest to put the Institute in a bad light because they are pretty much a Higher Tech version of the Brotherhood of Steel except instead of hoarding technology for the future they did create things for "when humanity is ready" (meaning never, just like the Brotherhood of Steel), sabotaging any effort to build some kind of stable society (something the Brotherhood of Steel never did, at least they were consistent on leaving humanity to rebuild itself more or less) simply because they "might be a threat to the Institute" without doing anything to make humanity ready, in FO1-2 I am sure the writer would lampshade this by making us having the choice of pointing out how self-centered and defeating their whole long strategy was.
 

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This thread has made me want to play the game again, but I can't stand the janky-ass engine and terrible shooter gameplay. Why hasn't it been remade in the style of the originals? Am I gonna have to do this myself?
 

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I'm surprised, I expected more of you to choose NCR, it seems to be the most popular choice among New Vegas fans, for whichever odd reason.
Wild Card is the most popular according to Steam.

It's also the best ending. The people of New Vegas can rule over themselves, they don't need anyone else to do that for them. (and it always makes me lol when I see people thinking anarchy can somehow transform into tyranny.)
Wild card being the best ending is incredibly dependent on the character of the person ruling it. If you had all the think tank behind you, them being cowed by mobius and were an intelligence/science/tech god, perhaps you could replace house or create some type of libertarian utopia, but its just as likely the wild card ending follows an ambitious person who just wants to rule it all, and got through the mojave eating anyone who crossed him, and beating peoples heads in with a pool que, while hopped up on enough narcotics to make the fiends outside vegas blush.
FO4 seems even more of an insult to a person's intelligence right about now, doesn't it? I mean, it has always been dogshit, but when you're knee-deep in an argument concerning FNV world-building and faction you suddenly go: wow, Bethesda is really fucking dumb, like waaaaay dumber than I already thought.

It just speaks volumes of Toddler preference for children stories that, dont get me wrong, are fine and all but not in the same basic structure with clear cut sides with no nuances that makes then boring and preditable, even fucking Naruto beats the crap out of Toddler typical narrative as for Emil "I worked in Thief II" Pagliarulo he is no better, anyone with a brain or rather anyone over 3 years old would realize that using a story concept that was discarded was a bad idea because it was discarded for a reason.

The only thing that FO4 did was writing the Brotherhood of Steel back at how it was and that was ... rejecting everything they had done with the Brotherhood of Steel in FO3 or at least that branch, its not even that FO3 did it wrong because even if it wasnt what it was in FO1-2 at least it was SOMETHING instead of reheating FO2 overall plot as a side dish. Doing so was admitting that any change from the FO1-2 formula was wrong and everything must be static as Toddler insists the timeline must advance (or at least he did in FO4).

New Vegas puts concepts against each other, the Legion is the weakest because its simply turned into military force without anything driving it behind it ... its like wanting a Hurricane to win because its simply a force of destruction without much of anything else, it doesnt even put its own concepts against others because it doesnt argue for or against slavery, there are slaves and "slaves are bad" without putting up a case of how slavery worked or even serfdom, in part I guess this was because a lot of New Vegas was recycled from Van Buren but the Legion had little attention so most arguments end up being about House-NCR-Free because those are concepts that are explored, people might not feel like destroying the BoS because if you follow Veronica story line you get sympathy for then and I mean the ones in the Bunker knowing full well that the Elders have became just dogmatic idiots clinging to a past doctrine that no longer makes sense and they are going down the path of self-destruction.

Fallout 4 does nothing of this sort, it makes decisions rather easy to take because they are binary, Toddler doesnt seem to like hard choices as in picking a side meaning you have to do unpleasant things to NPCs/Factions you might like for the greater good, you might like the core ideals of the NCR but at the same time its also easy to see the corruption in the NCR and how despite the NCR being perhaps the best thing to crawl out of the irradiated ruins of the Great War its also have a lot of bad things to it that makes people pick another option, Fallout 4 just really gives you two choices and it tries its damnedest to put the Institute in a bad light because they are pretty much a Higher Tech version of the Brotherhood of Steel except instead of hoarding technology for the future they did create things for "when humanity is ready" (meaning never, just like the Brotherhood of Steel), sabotaging any effort to build some kind of stable society (something the Brotherhood of Steel never did, at least they were consistent on leaving humanity to rebuild itself more or less) simply because they "might be a threat to the Institute" without doing anything to make humanity ready, in FO1-2 I am sure the writer would lampshade this by making us having the choice of pointing out how self-centered and defeating their whole long strategy was.
The best part about the revertation to the BoS is that it angered a bunch of new fallout fans, who claimed that the BoS was literally the nazis and maxson was literally hitler. It was still the most popular faction in 4, iirc.
This thread has made me want to play the game again, but I can't stand the janky-ass engine and terrible shooter gameplay. Why hasn't it been remade in the style of the originals? Am I gonna have to do this myself?
there are enough quality of life mods out there to fix it for you, if it's such an issue for you. If a fallout lite game closer to the older games mechanics is what you're jonesing for, I suggest A.T.O.M.
 

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They all have the potential to implode after a few years
I would argue house could potentially live for centuries longer. He might even submit to having his brain placed in a jar once it becomes the only possible option remaining to extend his lifespan and finish his dream.
 

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