that's the explicit oneThe subtext is that obsidian management doesn't even know what QA stands foreh there's more in QA then the simple temp testers
but i bet in this case there's a subtext and an implicit message from C.Av
that's the explicit oneThe subtext is that obsidian management doesn't even know what QA stands foreh there's more in QA then the simple temp testers
but i bet in this case there's a subtext and an implicit message from C.Av
Wherein Chris loses the plot
https://twitter.com/ChrisAvellone/status/1144102023488401409
QA is a skilled profession, is an integral part of any development team, and should be treated, paid, and respected at the same level of the other developers. Without this, the game and the culture suffers.
I know from second-hand experience that literally anyone with a high school degree can apply for a QA job and get one. It's not even remotely on the level of skill required of a programmer or an artist. Pay them as much as other developers and blow up budgets even more? What an absurd notion that would only make games worse.
(Additionally, QA is paid by the hour, not through a salary, so they are always compensated with time and a half for any hours a week they work past 40 [it's the law] so it's not like they have to deal with the pain of being a salaried dev who makes the same amount of money regardless of how many extra hours they work)
Roguey spoken like someone who doesn’t play games on release and instead waits a year so that the audience can catch all the bugs the underfunded QA department missed.
I've done both. There's almost no difference.No, they shouldn't. Using your audience to bugtest instead of having a proper QA division results in a worse product.
Soo second-hand experience of QA means the dude thats worked in the game industry for like 50 years doesn't know anything? What?
QA Testers Markus Burks, Nick Carver, Blake Cramer, Steven King, Derek McInvale, Connor Richards, Charles Teng, Ken Tran
Paradox Interactive - QA Team
Senior QA Manager Artur Foxander
QA Manager Niklas Lundström
QA Specialist Niklas Ivarsson
QA Testers Emil Andersson, Pontus Anehäll, Erik Elgerot, Kajsa Falck, Malin Furöstam, Victor Järnberg, Anna Ström
QLOC S.A.
General Manager Adam Piesiak
Business Development Director Paweł Grzywaczewski
Director of Account Management Paweł Ziajka
Account Managers Marta Olejniczak, Jakub Trudzik
Head of Quality Assurance Sergiusz Ślosarczyk
QA Project Managers Marcin Górniak, Maciej Mazurek
QA Lab Managers Bartosz Antecki, Pawel Strzelczyk
QA Team Leaders Konrad Kołacki, Paweł Krawczuk, Michał Mugerman
QA Testers Ewa Angielska, Małgorzata Barkowska, Piotr Brodowski, Rafał Dąbrowski, Maciej Florysiak, Paweł Jaskólski, Sebastian Kocyłak, Joanna Kucharzyk, Rafał Lipski, Łukasz Mazur, Piotr Pych, Michał Radlowski, Jarosław Ruciński, Michal Glebicki, Jarosław Ruciński, Marta Rudna, Krzysztof Setniewski, Marta Szymanska, Patryk Wlodarczyk, Karol Wozniak
Localization Testers Sofiane Boukoffa, Henryk Borzymowski, Richard Borzymowski, Marco Caponi, Alexandre Corbin, Thomas Hensel, Roberto Hongo, Leszek Jaworowski, Emilia Kleinrok, Guillermo Alvarez Lloret, Ignazio Mineccia, Piotr Mugerman, Pavel Revinski, Pawel Rogala, Wojciech Rokita, Emilio Rull, Polina Rutkowska, Aliaksei Sivuda, Martin Slusarek, Emilio Spanu, Paweł Szczęsny, Krzysztof Wiśniewski
spoken like someone who doesn’t play games on release and instead waits a year so that the audience can catch all the bugs the underfunded QA department missed.
But the nature of QA is that almost nobody sees it as a permanent career and so people don't stick around for very long, which leads to hiring practices being very lax on requirements, or else there wouldn't be anybody to do the job.
those namesQLOC S.A.
General Manager Adam Piesiak
Business Development Director Paweł Grzywaczewski
Director of Account Management Paweł Ziajka
Account Managers Marta Olejniczak, Jakub Trudzik
Head of Quality Assurance Sergiusz Ślosarczyk
QA Project Managers Marcin Górniak, Maciej Mazurek
QA Lab Managers Bartosz Antecki, Pawel Strzelczyk
QA Team Leaders Konrad Kołacki, Paweł Krawczuk, Michał Mugerman
QA Testers Ewa Angielska, Małgorzata Barkowska, Piotr Brodowski, Rafał Dąbrowski, Maciej Florysiak, Paweł Jaskólski, Sebastian Kocyłak, Joanna Kucharzyk, Rafał Lipski, Łukasz Mazur, Piotr Pych, Michał Radlowski, Jarosław Ruciński, Michal Glebicki, Jarosław Ruciński, Marta Rudna, Krzysztof Setniewski, Marta Szymanska, Patryk Wlodarczyk, Karol Wozniak
Localization Testers Sofiane Boukoffa, Henryk Borzymowski, Richard Borzymowski, Marco Caponi, Alexandre Corbin, Thomas Hensel, Roberto Hongo, Leszek Jaworowski, Emilia Kleinrok, Guillermo Alvarez Lloret, Ignazio Mineccia, Piotr Mugerman, Pavel Revinski, Pawel Rogala, Wojciech Rokita, Emilio Rull, Polina Rutkowska, Aliaksei Sivuda, Martin Slusarek, Emilio Spanu, Paweł Szczęsny, Krzysztof Wiśniewski
They were both kept on as forum moderators even after they quit since they did it for free.Woo and Priestly were garbage employees.
I just looked at Priestly's Twitter... Former former former. Makes you think...
Woo, please.
Well... I can't argue with you there. NinjaStan banned me a dozen times probably, mostly for a day or two. We would actually have dialogs in the interim; on the whole he is probably a better dude than his fame has made him out to be.They were both kept on as forum moderators even after they quit since they did it for free.Woo and Priestly were garbage employees.
I just looked at Priestly's Twitter... Former former former. Makes you think...
Woo, please.
There's really no way of determing what they were like as QA testers. Bioware was certainly satisfied with their performance for years until they weren't.
They were both kept on as forum moderators even after they quit since they did it for free.Woo and Priestly were garbage employees.
I just looked at Priestly's Twitter... Former former former. Makes you think...
Woo, please.
There's really no way of determing what they were like as QA testers. Bioware was certainly satisfied with their performance for years until they weren't.
OTOH you had Obsidian who recognized and promoted quality hires from QA, e.g. that alleged-decent-writer Scokel.
I know from second-hand experience that literally anyone with a high school degree can apply for a QA job and get one. It's not even remotely on the level of skill required of a programmer or an artist.
Someone's worked QA....