Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Shadenuat]

Not only is encounter design bad, but action economy is screwed, game becomes too easy + too long, enemy AI is terrible and combat lacks any interesting options to actually validate sequential actions (no counter spelling, no prepared actions, no cover, no elevation, positioning, no anything).

This is true, the AI can't turn based at all. But it doesn't use any better tactics in real time mode.

Yeah but for real time its abilities are enough. It doesn't need to concern itself with things like 5 ft stepping or thinking decisions through multiple turns DOS1 style.

 

[King Crispy]

Pink Eye, we get it. Please give it a rest.

 

[Ontopoly]

It's funny to see all the butthurt about the TB announcement. I've been seriously considering increasing my pledge by a few hundred dollars over it.

There's barely and butt hurt. Stop being a dumb bitch. Like 5 people said some things and half of them took away their pledge (probably as a meme)

 

[Lacrymas]

At the end of the day, they are going to focus on RTwP and I don't think that's going to suffer. TB is going to be an afterthought at best, so people who are wrong in love with RTwP don't have anything to worry about.

 

[Efe]

Crispy arcanum failed to implement same rules for both modes of combat whereas kingmaker already strictly adheres to existing rules with only major difference being turns taking place simultaneously.

 

[ga♥]

Honestly they should have offered TB in a DLC or something... the AI was already dumb as fuck with RTWP... now they have to make it "smart" for two different worlds. I am lowering my expectations

 

[Ontopoly]

Pink Eye, we get it. Please give it a rest.

I appreciate his dedication. Makes me want to take up the Druid cause. I'm taking notes from him and I'm thinking of spamming in order to get more Druid transformations. I want a Druid archetype all about transforming. Maybe even a mythic class where you can eventually become a tree.

 

[Shadenuat]

At the end of the day, they are going to focus on RTwP and I don't think that's going to suffer. TB is going to be an afterthought at best, so people who are wrong in love with RTwP don't have anything to worry about.

I don't understand what's the point in accepting mediocrity.

 

[vortex]

Let's empower "trash mobs" by having one "mini-boss" in front who can be more powerful thug or unique caster.
Trash mobs aren't distraction if gameplay is fun and your battle is rewarded.

 

[Lacrymas]

I'd love to see a smarter AI stretch goal. I really don't care what homosexual #1 is going to say about gilf queen or how bisexual #3 is going to react to my decision of exterminating all furries, so better stretch goals please.

I don't understand what's the point in accepting mediocrity.

RTwP by default is mediocre at best, so no great loss there.

 

[Efe]

I dont understand how you can accept dumb ai in rtwp but it suddenly becomes a problem in turn based?

 

[Pink Eye]

Pink Eye, we get it. Please give it a rest.

I appreciate his dedication. Makes me want to take up the Druid cause. I'm taking notes from him and I'm thinking of spamming in order to get more Druid transformations. I want a Druid archetype all about transforming. Maybe even a mythic class where you can eventually become a tree.

We're getting drowned by this RTWP vs TB. So we're going to have bid our time and wait. But I hear you druid bro.

 

[Shadenuat]

I dont understand how you can accept dumb ai in rtwp but it suddenly becomes a problem in turn based?

Multiple enemies with dumb ai who can act at the same time can still be dangerous. Multiple enemies with dumb ai who act 1 after 1 aren't.

Even in what people consider "best" tactical rpgs of all time, like JA2, I layered levels in exotic artistic tapestry of 25 enemy corpses by shooting them as they run to me around the corner. And only spells that game had were mustard grenades.

For TB to be fun you need sequential actions to create fun scenarios, like in DOS1. That requires implementing special mechanics. Without it, you just get diet coke tactics.

 

[aweigh]

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[Drowed]

Anyone who thinks that turn-based and RTwP are compatible in the same game needs to take another look at Arcanum. The two are mutually exclusive in my book, and it's not just because of trivial surface-level things like how long it takes to get through what you apparently feel are unnecessary encounters.

Well, I don't disagree, but... I don't think it's impossible for the game to offer both ways, but I do think it's impossible for a game to have a good encounter design offering both modes simultaneously.

Maybe something like POE2 did, but going way further. You choose one of the modes and "commit" to play the rest of the game that way. Then, the game can be adapted and fine-tuned to the specific characteristics of the chosen combat type. However, that's essentially doing 2 whole games worth of combat/encouter design in 1, which I believe goes waaaaaay beyond their scope.

I'm kinda happy that they're doing it, but I don't see it ending well.

 

[Lacrymas]

Pink Eye, we get it. Please give it a rest.

I appreciate his dedication. Makes me want to take up the Druid cause. I'm taking notes from him and I'm thinking of spamming in order to get more Druid transformations. I want a Druid archetype all about transforming. Maybe even a mythic class where you can eventually become a tree.

Even though Druid is one of my go-to classes, Druid transformations were always lackluster in every RPG ever. Shifter in NWN was cool, but it required an immense amount of feats to reach the level of a mediocre fighter.

 

[Ontopoly]

Shifter not being in kingmaker was a crime. Let's get it for this one

 

[ga♥]

AP written by Amber Scott, furries and now Turd based.

 

[Pink Eye]

Shifter not being in kingmaker was a crime. Let's get it for this one

Will you too take up arms and usher in a new campaign about druids? If so, I think it'd be smart if we combine our forces. Turn Based people managed to get a lot done by spamming the kickstarter comments.

 

[Mortmal]

Pink Eye, we get it. Please give it a rest.

I appreciate his dedication. Makes me want to take up the Druid cause. I'm taking notes from him and I'm thinking of spamming in order to get more Druid transformations. I want a Druid archetype all about transforming. Maybe even a mythic class where you can eventually become a tree.

Even though Druid is one of my go-to classes, Druid transformations were always lackluster in every RPG ever. Shifter in NWN was cool, but it required an immense amount of feats to reach the level of a mediocre fighter.

5E circle of the moon druid is very powerful and versatile. It's so much better that i dont see any reasons to pick another archetype. Only limit is the Dm, as you allow type of animals the druid could see and shapeshift to, high CR ones . In a primeval setting with dinosaurs its king.

 

[Efe]

I dont understand how you can accept dumb ai in rtwp but it suddenly becomes a problem in turn based?

Multiple enemies with dumb ai who can act at the same time can still be dangerous. Multiple enemies with dumb ai who act 1 after 1 aren't.

Even in what people consider "best" tactical rpgs of all time, like JA2, I layered levels in exotic artistic tapestry of 25 enemy corpses by shooting them as they run to me around the corner. And only spells that game had were mustard grenades.

sounds to me like you should play something else if you hate even JA too..

fyi, I heard warcraft reforged was looking for players...

 

[King Crispy]

Drowed, I see your point, but I don't think what you're proposing or imagining is something that can practically be pulled off. You'd essentially be asking Owlcat to design two separate games.

 

[Efe]

they already said you can change modes on the fly... so unless they take some major decisions his idea is just wishful thinking at the point

 

[Shadenuat]

sounds to me like you should play something else if you hate even JA too

I don't hate JA, but do you really think that D&D out of the box is actually a good tactical wargame in comparison? Good enough to cum in pants cause now you roll your attack dice in tb?

I don't really believe that, or that TB mode makes Pathfinder inherently better.

 

[Pink Eye]

Also, I don't want to add fuel to the fire. Some comments from the kickstarter site, confirmed that they were donating one dollar in order to spam about TB.