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Are games art?

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by Vlajdermen, Mar 26, 2019.

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Я games art?

  1. No

    21.7%
  2. Who the fuck cares

    40.8%
  3. Only if labeled as such by Janjetina

    1.7%
  4. It is impossible to know because there is no clear definition of what art is

    6.7%
  5. To be fair, you have to have a very high iq to understand games as an art form

    17.5%
  6. Only The Last of Us and Dad of War

    5.0%
  7. Slava Rodu (I don't get that Kingcomrade meme)

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  1. Vlajdermen Scholar

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    Was Roger Ebert right?
     
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  2. Jacob Hey, it's me, I Patron

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    With the right mindset, gambling is an art.
     
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  3. Alfgart Augur Patron

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    Games are not art. But some elements of games can have artistic merit
     
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  4. TheHeroOfTime Arcane

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    Who cares
     
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  5. Zed Duke of Banville Arcane Patron

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    Roger Ebert wrote a favorable review of Cosmology of Kyoto in 1994. :M

    It seems that Ebert found the game artistic and, dare I say, immersive. +M

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  6. bataille Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Half the films Roger Ebert deemed worthy weren't art.
     
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  7. DemonKing Arcane

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    I'd say they have the potential to be - mobile games and other shovelware obviously have no pretentions to art and other games are often pushed out the door before they're ready, which can detract from their artistic impact. You would never confuse endless FiFA or Call of Duty games as art - they exist to meet shareholder's needs and nothing more. Sometimes though you can have the happy coincidence of a game that is not only fun to play but has artistic merits of it's own with regards to art, sound, music, story etc.
     
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  8. Who Cares Educated

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    Games are first and foremost entertainment, meaning they're made to pander to someone. Art, however, is supposed to be a product of creative expression, not something that sells or made to be liked. Some art sells, but proper art should never be made with sales in mind. Therefore, 99.9(9)% of games will never classify as art, same deal with music and cinema.
     
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  9. laclongquan Arcane

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    That sucker bit more than he can chew and people challenge him to chew, and then he quit. But no, he wouldnt change his mind or opinion and still declare loudly games can not be art.
     
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  10. catfood AGAIN

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    There are so many things labeled as art or with art in their name that it doesn't even mean anything anymore. Martial arts, The Art of War, The Art of Love, The Art of the Deal, culinary arts, pick up artists, etc, etc, etc. It's not that exclusive of a club as people think.
     
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  11. bataille Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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  12. deuxhero Arcane

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    Yes but art isn't a mark of quality: There's lots of shit art. Art is a work made for entertainment, nothing more.
     
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  13. Monk Magister

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    If art refers to anything made involving creativity, then they are works of art.
     
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  14. ItsChon Cipher Patron

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    Games aren't art.
     
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  15. Maxie Der Einzige Patron

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    AO said art comes from angst and isolation so the only artsy games are rpgmaker futa visual novels
     
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  16. Unkillable Cat Prestigious Gentleman LEST WE FORGET Patron

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    This and this.

    Software can be written that counts as art (though we haven't seen much of it) but you can't call it art and a game at the same time.
     
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  17. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    For what it's worth — SCOTUS justice Antonin Scalia seemed to imply they were (at least partly) a mix of literature and art in his majority opinion ruling against videogame censorship.
     
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  18. yellowcake Arcane

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    Is pottery art? Stage performance? Comic book? These questions have been considered by philosophers for millenia. IMHO only way of approaching these is accepting or criticising their arrangements.
     
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  19. theSavant Prophet

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    Yeah... back in my childhood I always associcated art with something "nice". Whether in looks (pictures), or sound (music), it should be "nice".

    Later I found out that this isn't the case. "Art" nowadays can be everything or nothing. I also recall that day back in school, where some "artists" visited the school to teach the art teachers about art. And they said "it's art, if you achieve to put a toilet into an art museum" (and maybe with some "explanations"). My teacher was disgusted. But yeah, that's it. Everything "creative" and with some "explanations" can be "art" nowadays.
     
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  20. taxalot Gone forever. Patron

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    Is shitposting art ?
     
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  21. Generic-Giant-Spider Arcane

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    What can change the nature of art?
     
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  22. Gerrard Arcane

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    Trolling is a art.
     
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  23. Apostle Hand Learned Possibly Retarded

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    games have potential to be art, but - more often than not - that potential is left unused.
     
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  24. Egosphere Erudite

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    Art has a tendency to stay around for a long time. Most gamers of today would consider games from the 90s to be utter trash because muh graphics. This doesn't affect other mediums to the same extent. 300 year old paintings are still art, even if you can pump out flashier images with a graphics tablet and a copy of photoshop today.
     
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  25. markec Twitterbot Patron

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    Looking at the standards for art these days, I have no doubt that games are art too.

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