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Epic vs Steam - the console war comes to PC

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by LESS T_T, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. Politician Lurker King

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    If a monopoly is the result of the forces of the market and consumers’ choice, it’s good.

    If a monopoly results from government favors, protectionism or other kind of unnatural interference, it is bad.

    Steam is not the result of unnatural interference, so it's good.

    EDIT: I didn't take you for a communist puppet, Infinitron.
     
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  2. normie Learned Zionist Agent

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    Depends. Specifically, it if its better or worse for the people, does it increase or decrease the exploitation and predation of people, does it work to empower the constituents of that government or not, does it work to increase social capital and trust or does it disrupt it etc.

    Governments can and do lean either way. Western democracies lean towards exploitation and the undermining of people in the interests of whomever can organise and grease the wheels with money, and ultimately banking interests, which have a blank check, while a country like China is united by an ethnoracial vision, thinks generationally, has designs beyond the current world order and applies controls as it sees fit to achieve its ends. Telling a Chinese person "monopoly bad bcuz unnatural" is the goofiest cope you could have.

    Anyway, to what extent Steam is a monopoly, yeah, it's good, but not due the mechanics of how it arose, but because of its convenience, utility and relative lack of anti-consumerist practices.
     
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  3. Politician Lurker King

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    I don’t think is interesting to discuss what is better or worse for people in the political realm besides their own voluntary choices. Anything more complicated than that is subject to abuse and whims of a minority of illuminated individuals trying to dictate their own preferences on the rest of the population. This tend to result in misguided social policies, unforeseen negative consequences, public debt, tyranny, etc. If people prefer GoG, let them buy games on GoG. If the majority prefers Steam, let them buy games on Steam. Saying that Steam is evil because it is giving players what they want in a more efficient manner than the competition is an absurd inversion of values.

    I’m sorry, I don’t speak communist newspeak. People engage in voluntary economic transactions because they are better with them than without them. Is someone working on a merger pay being exploited by his employer? No, he isn’t. The resources are scarce and he is better with it than without it.

    This varies according to the theory you choose. You can’t dictate policies that will affect economy based on this inherently controversial stuff.

    That’s irrelevant. The market is the most efficient way to give people what they want. Some companies are much more successful than others because they are more efficient in giving people what they want. No amount of theorisation about the government or the “Chinese person” will change that.

    You got it all wrong. It is good precisely due to how it paved its way to success.
     
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  4. Strange Fellow Magister Patron

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    Let the children work the mines!
     
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  5. Politician Lurker King

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    Let them die of hunger because anything else is offensive to my personal standards of living!
     
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  6. cvv Arcane Patron

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    Better than be oppressed by global warming on the surface.
     
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    Lolbertarians vs Commutards - the console war comes to economics
     
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  8. Politician Lurker King

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    I'm not a libertarian.
     
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  9. Politician Lurker King

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    Remember, guys. If you merely suggest the possibility that developers that look like this make shitty games, you will be immediately targeted as a paranoid bigot.
     
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  10. LESS T_T Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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  11. sullynathan Magister

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    If you know where to get your games, you are not threatened by Epic's moves if you know what I mean
     
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  12. cvv Arcane Patron

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    Idiots gun pirate until we're all saddled with mandatory cloud gaming.

    I hope ya'll were watching Google's presentation today because that's our future you dumb dildos.
     
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  13. Ezeekiel Arbiter

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    If industry nuts want cloud gaming, then we'll get cloud gaming no matter whether there is piracy or not.
     
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  14. sullynathan Magister

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    implying downloadable games will cease to exist
     
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  15. Heretic Erudite

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    So the future is either Epic's anti-customer stance, or Google's Life-as-a-service dystopia?

    I will let my money do my small amount of voting against both of those directions.
     
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  16. Solid Snail Learned

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    If people don't support cloud gaming it won't be a thing.
     
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  17. cvv Arcane Patron

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    I've always suspected us arguing about Epic is like arguing what horse carriage service is better in the early 1900s. It's been p. clear for years cloud gaming is the inevitable future. The only consolation is indie and niche games - the stuff of Codex - will take the longest to move into the virtual space, it's gonna be AAA dumbfuckery making the giant leap for mankind first. We have time but the writing is on the wall.
     
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  18. Poseidon00 Educated

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    Yup. If enough people stop letting companies abuse them then there becomes a market to service and then there becomes alternative platforms, however small they may be. But people have to stop taking it up the ass from these parasitic bastards first.
     
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  19. ZeniBot Savant

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    Trick question. The only way to win the game is not to play.

    I say fug it go the full Apogee/Romero path and just ship the fucking box to their doorstep. Best way to do it. Cut all the asshole middlemen and ding dong bannu (tencent) gatekeepers out.
     
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  20. JBro Learned

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    Video games can go to hell if the future is Epic or Google.
     
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  21. Alienman Arcane Patron

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    That fake download thing in the presentation is so annoying. You basically need a good connection to play streamed stuff, and if you already have a good enough connection you can download games quickly and don't have to sit and roll your thumbs for 4 hours. 500mb lines here are pretty common now, and downloading a 40 gig game from Steam only takes a couple of minutes.
     
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    Made me think.
     
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  23. Jigawatt Arcane

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    Yep. My connection here is perfect for big downloads (usually get 1.1Gbits down) and terrible for multiplayer gaming (pings usually 100ms+). It's just such a US centric way of thinking, and even then probably city-centric.
     
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  24. Solid Snail Learned

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    Outer Worlds is Epic exclusive, announcement later today probably.
     
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  25. sullynathan Magister

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    Wow money talks
     
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