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How would you rate Pillars of Eternity?

Discussion in 'Obsidian Entertainment' started by J_C, Mar 29, 2015.

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How many doritos/10 PoE deserve?

  1. 10 (A modern classic, you did it Obsidian!)

    42 vote(s)
    10.6%
  2. 9 (Great game, although it has some minor problems.)

    102 vote(s)
    25.7%
  3. 8 (Good job Obsidian, but it is not as good as I hoped.)

    75 vote(s)
    18.9%
  4. 7 (Nice game, but nothing spectacular.)

    46 vote(s)
    11.6%
  5. 6 (Ehh, it's above average, but it is a disappointment.)

    50 vote(s)
    12.6%
  6. 5 (Meh, it is mediocre.)

    21 vote(s)
    5.3%
  7. 4 (The game has some good stuff, but tons of bad.)

    21 vote(s)
    5.3%
  8. 3 (Shamefur dispray Obsidian, the game is awful.)

    8 vote(s)
    2.0%
  9. 2 (The game is one of the worst cRPGs in recent years.)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. 1 (Game is garbage on every front.)

    5 vote(s)
    1.3%
  11. Fucking rating systems, what mainstream shit is this? (Kingcomrade)

    27 vote(s)
    6.8%
  1. Hatred Unwanted

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    You would describe PoE as a great game with minor flaws ? For real ? What the hell is your idea of a 10 then, every other RPG ever made?
    I gave the game a 4 because that's what it is. Some good stuff with a tonne of flaws. If you truly think the game is the oposite I would like to know about all of the 'great stuff' in the game. I missed it.
     
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  2. ArchAngel Arcane

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    I am not interested in rating by comparing it with all games ever made. Realistically it is not a 9 but as I said, compared to competition in last 10 years it is 9. I was just that starved for another IE like game.
     
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  3. Hatred Unwanted

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    Why does it need to be compared to other games ? If you are going to compare it to other games it should be Baldurs Gate 2 or Planescape Torment, your pick.
    If for some arbitrary reason you need to pick a game from the last 10 years I would choose FTL. I give FTL a 9 which still leaves PoE at 4. I still think its weak only using games from the last 10 years though. Last ten years have been mostly tripe. I was also starved for an IE like game. I still am. SitS is our Obi-Wan Kenobi now.
     
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  4. ArchAngel Arcane

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    FTL is a completely different genre which I care nothing about. So you can rate games your way and I will rate them my way.
     
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  5. Hatred Unwanted

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    Your way seems to include a lot of arbitrary distinctions.
     
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  6. Rostere Arcane Patron

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    Uh, you mean your way does?

    The game is a 10 if you compare it with all other games, obviously.

    I'd say the game is a 10 compared to recent RPGs as well. 99% of RPGs released since the 90s are shit.

    I'd probably say PoE is a 10 compared to all RPGs that have ever been made. Although people who don't like RTwP or only like roguelikes or JRPGs or similar might disagree.

    If BG2 and Torment are the only points of reference (as you suggest), and BG2 is a 1 and Torment a 10 I'd probably say PoE is a 5.
     
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  7. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    Grab the Codex by the pussy Serpent in the Staglands Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    Python script for calculating the average Codex rating:

    Code:
    from bs4 import BeautifulSoup
    import re
    import urllib2
    
    poll = BeautifulSoup(urllib2.urlopen("http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/how-would-you-rate-pillars-of-eternity.98108/poll/results"))
    results = [result.find(class_="count").string for result in poll.find_all(class_="pollResult")]
    
    total_score = 0.0
    total_count = 0.0
    
    for i in range(10):
        score = 10 - i
        count = int(re.findall("\d+", results[i])[0])
        total_score += score*count
        total_count += count
       
    average = total_score / total_count
    
    print average
    
    (inb4 remarks about my style)
     
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  8. Hatred Unwanted

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    My way was to read the descriptions next to the numbers and choose the corresponding number which described the game. Doesn't seem that arbitrary to me. I'd go so far as to say that was the way J_C intended us to score the game.
     
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  9. Rostere Arcane Patron

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    That is pretty fucking arbitrary, if you choose a number according to an arbitrary sentence then the average result means nothing.

    There are of course meaningful ways of grading. For example, choosing a reference set of a certain number of games and then forcing people to divide them equally into 10 subsets ordered by score.
     
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  10. J_C One Bit Studio Patron Developer

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    Everybody can rate however s/he wants to rate. I tried to come up with discriptions that are somewhat related to the numbers, but if you think that the numbers and te discriptions do not match, you can just look at the numbers.
     
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  11. Hatred Unwanted

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    well whether I rate the game via J_C's descriptions or by comparing it to other games I still walk away thinking PoE is a pile of disappointment. I think my method of scoring the game by finding a number which corresponds to how I feel about it makes more sense than making up some arbitrary category of games and scoring it against those.
    Edit : I think I would rate arguing on forums an 8/10. Its easily twice the fun that I had in PilloE.
     
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  12. Zombra Arcane Patron

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    Is arriving at an average result the sole purpose of a poll? :decline:
     
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  13. Old Hans Arbiter

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    I cant even bother finishing it. I had more exciting stories during my crusader kings 2 adventures.
     
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  14. ArchAngel Arcane

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    Yes, because this poll is all about you...
     
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  15. Hatred Unwanted

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    :hmmm:
     
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  16. Rostere Arcane Patron

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    Absolutely not. There's a wealth of statistics to be harvested.

    But if the primary guide to voting was the descriptions and not the numbers (and in any case, you need some kind of frame of reference to assign a number score to PoE), then it would be impossible to draw any useful conclusion from the collected results of the poll.

    And even if you know the frame of reference (what you are grading PoE as - as a game, as a RPG, as a RPG of a select incline group of RPGs...) we need to know the distribution of the scores. There are several methodologies for scoring.

    For example with one reference point: suppose you compare every game to BG1, which is defined as a "5". Score 10 signifies a game 3 or more times more interesting than BG, score 1 a game 0,3 times as interesting or less.

    With zero reference points: all games are divided equally into 10 score categories. Or maybe they are not divided equally, but according to some normal distribution centered on 5. My experiences with movie scoring sites suggests that this approach fits human psychology well.

    With two reference points: Score 1 is defined as the score of a generally agreed upon worst game (say, Lionheart) and score 10 as a generally agreed upon best game (Torment). All other games are placed between them depending on whose quality they are the closest to.

    In any case, scoring with arbitrary sentences as Hatred suggests is a very lousy way of scoring a game.
     
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  17. Zombra Arcane Patron

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    You're making assumptions again.
     
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  18. Rostere Arcane Patron

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    Maybe that part was not directly aimed at you.
     
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  19. Blaine Cis-Het Oppressor Patron

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    Average score of all 300 non-copout votes in the poll as of this writing: 7.83/10

    Quite accurate.
     
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  20. Hatred Unwanted

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    Better than just scoring it against whatever RPG's ArchAngel has played in the last ten years. I don't mind scoring a game versus other games. I just think his method of it just being RPG's he has played in the last ten years is bullshit. Feel free to point out where I put forwards J_Cs poll as the optimal method for scoring games.
    You do be making assumptions again.
     
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  21. ArchAngel Arcane

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    There is no perfect or unison scoring system and anyone that says otherwise is a liar. Every fucking living person that gives a score to any entertainment piece of anything is doing it subjectively using completely personal and unique scoring system. Even if you write 100 sentences to explain each number on scale from 1 to 10 everyone will still score using their own life experiences and preferences. This is why a jury is made of 20+ people and not one.
    This is why I give more relevance to user scores on metacritic (over critic scores as they are only a few) or Steam scores as they come from a larger pool of people.
     
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  22. Hatred Unwanted

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    I actually agree with you on the points you have made as quoted above. I just thought your rule of "only RPG's in the last 10 years" was super personal and arbitrary. I'm disinclined towards any kind of system which will give PoE a pass since I personally think it is rubbish. I also realise its just my opinion that its rubbish clearly. The critical and financial success it has achieved is pretty easy to see.
    Edit:failure at spelling
     
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  23. ArchAngel Arcane

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    My personal score means little to anyone but me. The overall average score of all 300 voters is only thing that matters
     
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  24. Durante Learned Patron

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    I already did change it from a 9 to a 10 though.

    I initially gave it just a 9 because I thought I was affected by the honeymoon period.
     
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  25. Atchodas Learned Edgy

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    Description of 6 seems pretty accurate to me .
     
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